Star Wars Thread 1: The Phantom Post, Star Wars Options

[Dark Reaper]

Eh Star Wars thread on the Bethesda forums lets bring it here. Anyway if anyone here love Red Letter Media and the Star Wars Pizza Roll review then you're in luck cause He's Baaaaack.

I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.

[Callidus Thorn]

True. Hell, even the Revenge of the Sith novel did an amazing job with Skywalker in my opinion. The reason he wanted Mastery was to gain access to the holocrons and discover the secret to saving his wife. The movie didn't go full detail.

Maybe because of that's the reasonThe Bearded One hates EU.

Now I meant to say that Mace Windu tried to execute Sidious/Palpatine. The Jedi Masters went to arrest him, he resisted, and then Windu decided that keeping the Sith alive would be dangerous. That's when Anakin interevened. So it was treason . . . from my point of view

The movie didn't really go into any detail.

Well, Palps had killed three Jedi in resisting arrest, so he clearly was dangerous. And even without a lightsaber he could cause plenty of damage with his lightning. And that's before considering the way he's manipulated the Senate, the Jedi Order, and by extension the entire Republic. Threats don't really get any bigger than that.

But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war.

For fans of Dash Rendar and Shadows of the Empire I give you The Outrider.
It transforms into a B-wing like attack mode, some say it's not very "movie" accurate but for a collector and before the Star Wars X-wing miniature game came out, its the only thing close to having Dash's cool ship.

I never played the game, but I read the book. I always thought it was a much better ship than the Falcon, if only because it worked.

But as far as I'm concerned, there's no ship in the Star Wars universe to match the Ebon Hawk!

[Darkness Eternal]

But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war.

I'd like to think that there's moral ambiguity in the Star Wars Universe, that the Empire and the Emperor at least follow the rule of law, that many of the accusations against the Empire by the rebels are either specious or completely unfounded. But this topic is the one aspect of Star Wars that I absolutely hate, and yet another example of George Lucas' unimaginative writing. Unfortunately, Disney seems to have carried this lack of imagination into The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so the new canon is already fatally flawed.

To answer what you wrote, we know that Emperor Palpatine is not the "good guy" because, at its heart, Star Wars is a staid morality tale with all the usual tropes about good guys and bad guys. Star Wars was even the medium in which the "evil empire" stereotype first developed, later popularized in Reagan's 1983 speech about the Soviet Union. We know that Palpatine is evil because he's a cardboard cut-out of a villain. His outward appearance (hooded and disfigured like your standard Saturday morning cartoon villains), his ridiculous and overly-dramatic mannerisms, and his occasional ranting about absolute power are all the markers of a writer who wanted a prop to stand in as the figurehead of the evil Galactic Empire because he didn't have the time or inclination to create an actual character.

That's the Doylist explanation anyways, which is the only one that makes sense. In the Watsonian explanation, Palpatine would probably argue that he's only evil "... from a Jedi's point of view. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The difference between the two is the Sith are not afraid of the dark side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful."