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Dark Reaper |
Oct 3 2016, 01:11 AM
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Eh Star Wars thread on the Bethesda forums lets bring it here. Anyway if anyone here love Red Letter Media and the Star Wars Pizza Roll review then you're in luck cause He's Baaaaack. I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.
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Callidus Thorn |
Oct 3 2016, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 07:12 PM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif) True. Hell, even the Revenge of the Sith novel did an amazing job with Skywalker in my opinion. The reason he wanted Mastery was to gain access to the holocrons and discover the secret to saving his wife. The movie didn't go full detail. Maybe because of that's the reasonThe Bearded One hates EU. Now I meant to say that Mace Windu tried to execute Sidious/Palpatine. The Jedi Masters went to arrest him, he resisted, and then Windu decided that keeping the Sith alive would be dangerous. That's when Anakin interevened. So it was treason . . . from my point of view ![cool.gif](style_emoticons/sinders/cool.gif) The movie didn't really go into any detail. Well, Palps had killed three Jedi in resisting arrest, so he clearly was dangerous. And even without a lightsaber he could cause plenty of damage with his lightning. And that's before considering the way he's manipulated the Senate, the Jedi Order, and by extension the entire Republic. Threats don't really get any bigger than that. But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war. QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 3 2016, 08:13 PM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif) For fans of Dash Rendar and Shadows of the Empire I give you The Outrider. It transforms into a B-wing like attack mode, some say it's not very "movie" accurate but for a collector and before the Star Wars X-wing miniature game came out, its the only thing close to having Dash's cool ship. I never played the game, but I read the book. I always thought it was a much better ship than the Falcon, if only because it worked. But as far as I'm concerned, there's no ship in the Star Wars universe to match the Ebon Hawk!
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Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Oct 3 2016, 08:51 PM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif)
But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war.
I'd like to think that there's moral ambiguity in the Star Wars Universe, that the Empire and the Emperor at least follow the rule of law, that many of the accusations against the Empire by the rebels are either specious or completely unfounded. But this topic is the one aspect of Star Wars that I absolutely hate, and yet another example of George Lucas' unimaginative writing. Unfortunately, Disney seems to have carried this lack of imagination into The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so the new canon is already fatally flawed. To answer what you wrote, we know that Emperor Palpatine is not the "good guy" because, at its heart, Star Wars is a staid morality tale with all the usual tropes about good guys and bad guys. Star Wars was even the medium in which the "evil empire" stereotype first developed, later popularized in Reagan's 1983 speech about the Soviet Union. We know that Palpatine is evil because he's a cardboard cut-out of a villain. His outward appearance (hooded and disfigured like your standard Saturday morning cartoon villains), his ridiculous and overly-dramatic mannerisms, and his occasional ranting about absolute power are all the markers of a writer who wanted a prop to stand in as the figurehead of the evil Galactic Empire because he didn't have the time or inclination to create an actual character. That's the Doylist explanation anyways, which is the only one that makes sense. In the Watsonian explanation, Palpatine would probably argue that he's only evil "... from a Jedi's point of view. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The difference between the two is the Sith are not afraid of the dark side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful."
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Oct 7 2016, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif) I'd like to think that there's moral ambiguity in the Star Wars Universe, that the Empire and the Emperor at least follow the rule of law, that many of the accusations against the Empire by the rebels are either specious or completely unfounded. But this topic is the one aspect of Star Wars that I absolutely hate, and yet another example of George Lucas' unimaginative writing. Unfortunately, Disney seems to have carried this lack of imagination into The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so the new canon is already fatally flawed.
The only moral ambiguity in the original films is found in the Jedi. Obi-Wan and Yoda train Luke to kill his father in ignorance(without telling him, even though they let Luke live under his real name so that Vader knows), try to stop him saving his friends, and don't really care about the Rebel Alliance, just Vader. And then, in Return of the Jedi, Luke ditches the Rebels on Endor to go on a personal mission to bring his father back from the dark side. Clearly the Jedi aren't the good guys, even though Palpatine and Vader are the bad guys, and I actually like that. And really, you expected Disney to be imaginative when handed a franchise the size of Star Wars? QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif) To answer what you wrote, we know that Emperor Palpatine is not the "good guy" because, at its heart, Star Wars is a staid morality tale with all the usual tropes about good guys and bad guys. Star Wars was even the medium in which the "evil empire" stereotype first developed, later popularized in Reagan's 1983 speech about the Soviet Union. We know that Palpatine is evil because he's a cardboard cut-out of a villain. His outward appearance (hooded and disfigured like your standard Saturday morning cartoon villains), his ridiculous and overly-dramatic mannerisms, and his occasional ranting about absolute power are all the markers of a writer who wanted a prop to stand in as the figurehead of the evil Galactic Empire because he didn't have the time or inclination to create an actual character.
That's the Doylist explanation anyways, which is the only one that makes sense. In the Watsonian explanation, Palpatine would probably argue that he's only evil "... from a Jedi's point of view. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The difference between the two is the Sith are not afraid of the dark side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful."
Sure, it's a shame that Palpatine's a caricature rather than a character, but this doesn't answer what I asked. Palpatine in the prequels is pretty different to Palpatine in the originals, because he has an actual goal, and a plan to accomplish it. And it's actually a pretty good plan. An army cloned from a bounty hunter who can kill Jedi, a stage-managed war that scatters the Jedi across the Republic, surrounded by clone troopers that they believe to be on their side, and a trap that snaps shut without warning. Top that off with Vader and the only thing that actually goes wrong with his plan is getting disfigured by fighting Windu. And if the prequels had been written half-decently he'd get bonus points for being subtle and manipulative in turning Anakin to the dark side. He's not just a bland, cackling overlord. But calling Windu trying to kill him treason implies that his actions in no way invalidate his position as Chancellor of the Republic, and that's what I was asking about.
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While we are on the subject of action figures...
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Oh is that the Old Republic villain?
Yep ^_^.
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Oh is that the Old Republic villain?
Yep ^_^.
... Dec 23 2016, 07:13 AM Uleni Athram Black Series, eh? What about S.H Figuarts? What do... Dec 20 2016, 04:44 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
Black Series, eh? What about S.H Figuarts? What d... Dec 20 2016, 04:47 AM Dark Reaper Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Rogu... Dec 20 2016, 09:27 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Rog... Dec 20 2016, 09:34 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) Uleni Athram
Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Ro... Dec 20 2016, 09:40 AM Dark Reaper Well I finally saw Rogue One and I LOVES IT!... Dec 23 2016, 05:51 AM TheCheshireKhajiit
Well spoil it for me, what next you're going ... Dec 23 2016, 05:58 AM Dark Reaper So far Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie I ... Dec 23 2016, 07:13 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) SubRosa One of the things I liked about Rogue One is that ... Dec 23 2016, 08:31 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) Dark Reaper
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I do agree with you on Tarkin, he... Dec 24 2016, 10:26 AM mirocu I think since it's Christmas we should bring i... Dec 24 2016, 10:36 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Callidus Thorn
I think since it's Christmas we should bring ... Dec 24 2016, 08:05 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
I think since it's Christmas we should bring... Dec 24 2016, 08:13 PM Callidus Thorn I'm still undecided on the Sith one.
The Impe... Dec 24 2016, 08:16 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
I'm still undecided on the Sith one.
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Khaj... Dec 26 2016, 03:34 AM SubRosa The droid was Kay Too. Short for K-2SO. He had the... Dec 26 2016, 03:46 AM
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