Star Wars Thread 1: The Phantom Post, Star Wars Options

[Dark Reaper]

Eh Star Wars thread on the Bethesda forums lets bring it here. Anyway if anyone here love Red Letter Media and the Star Wars Pizza Roll review then you're in luck cause He's Baaaaack.

I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.

[TheCheshireKhajiit]

Khajiit is confused about the state of the canon in the Star Wars franchise now that Disney has bought it. From what he understands, the only thing official is the films and TV shows (The Clone Wars and Rebels), but that leaves a lot up in the air. This one thinks it's safe to say all of the stuff in the expanded universe that happened after RotJ is now irrelevant. What about the stuff that happened before the events of Episode 1? They canonized Darth Bane in the Clone Wars TV series so does that also mean by extension that Revan and all of the events surrounding him are also canon, since it was from one of Revan's holocrons that Darth Bane learned of the "Rule of Two"? So many questions.

This post has been edited by TheCheshireKhajiit: Nov 28 2016, 08:27 PM

[Callidus Thorn]

Khajiit is confused about the state of the canon in the Star Wars franchise now that Disney has bought it. From what he understands, the only thing official is the films and TV shows (The Clone Wars and Rebels), but that leaves a lot up in the air. This one thinks it's safe to say all of the stuff in the expanded universe that happened after RotJ is now irrelevant. What about the stuff that happened before the events of Episode 1? They canonized Darth Bane in the Clone Wars TV series so does that also mean by extension that Revan and all of the events surrounding him are also canon, since it was from one of Revan's holocrons that Darth Bane learned of the "Rule of Two"? So many questions.

Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

This post has been edited by Callidus Thorn: Nov 28 2016, 09:11 PM

[TheCheshireKhajiit]

Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

Thanks for the clarification, Khajiit was afraid of this.

Re: Cherry picking
Kylo Ren's character design reeks of knocking off Revan. It's a little different but still pretty much the same.

[Callidus Thorn]

Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

Thanks for the clarification, Khajiit was afraid of this.

Re: Cherry picking
Kylo Ren's character design reeks of knocking off Revan. It's a little different but still pretty much the same.

The first time I saw the mask I only caught a glimpse of it, and it left me wondering what Revan was doing on a pack of batteries!

But a good sized chunk of The Force Awakens reeks of KotOR, blended with A New Hope. I won't even watch it. The only thing I like about it is that kinda funky droid that rolls around, though I don't know how practical that design would actually be.