Fallout76, Um... yeah. Options

[TheCheshireKhajiit]

So thoughts?

[Winter Wolf]

I read this in the comments at ign-

58 hours in and I'm ready to stop playing.

Fallout 3 removed the Turn-Based Combat.
Fallout: New Vegas removed Bethesda's Relevancy as a development team.
Fallout 4 removed Roleplaying.
Fallout 76 removed Story and NPCs.

...can't wait to see what they remove next.

I guess that says everything.

[RaderOfTheLostArk]

Fallout 4 removed Roleplaying.

Please don't take this as me attacking you (I don't know how much you agree with that commenter anyway), but I loathe the argument that Fallout 4 is not a roleplaying game. It's the same that many people say about Skyrim, or Oblivion, or even Morrowind if you dig deep enough. It is absolutely a roleplaying game. If you want to argue that it isn't what an RPG should be or that it doesn't do RPG mechanics as well as other games, that's one thing. But I find the vast majority of the time that arguments about RPGs not actually being RPGs are because people don't like the game in the first place.

This post has been edited by RaderOfTheLostArk: Nov 26 2018, 11:21 PM

[Renee]

. It's the same that many people say about Skyrim, or Oblivion, or even Morrowind if you dig deep enough. It is absolutely a roleplaying game.

Roleplaying is such a pliable term, you know? Personally, I could roleplay blocks of wood if I got in the mood!

Because to me, this term == playing a role. But not just any role, it's playing a role I want to play, with the character(s) I want to be with. That is how I define it, I know everyone is different..I want to design my own character, and have a compelling world for him or her to be in. That is the focus of the game, not the action, not the quests, not the stats or numbers.

One could argue "well you play a role in Tomb Raider as Lara Croft, by definition, Tomb Raider is therefore an RPG," and I would say "no" to this. Because in Tomb Raider, the focus of the game is on the action, the flips, the twirls, and all the tings Lara does. If I wanted Lara to be (let's say) a flower picker, who does nothing but collect ingredients (my idea, not the devs) if I want to play a role as a flower-picker in Tomb Raider, this is not the focus of the game.

But in any Bethesda game I've played so far, I can create a flower-picker if I want (and I have), who does not get involved in combat or pre-written quests.

Back in my tabletop days, for me this was the 1980s, there were two main groups of people when it came to roleplaying games. Some preferred painted figureines (my group did). Obviously, gaming with a bunch of more-evolved chess pieces takes a lot of imagination. You can't move these pieces around, roll dice, and then not imagine what just happened, if a troll ambushed your party or if you ambushed the troll or whatever. That's where the term roleplaying comes in, I suppose.

The other main group of people would not usually use figures, instead they'd ACT out their parts. They'd sit around a table and speak in these silly accents, trying to sound British or whatever. Me and a friend tried gaming with this group one time, and once was enough!

But my point is even back then, I remember hearing one group accusing the other of "not truly roleplaying." So when we hear of FO4 not being an RPG, or Oblivion, or even Morrowind, this sort of argument is not new.

Thank you. Time for some eggnog.

This post has been edited by Renee: Nov 27 2018, 01:42 PM