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> Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate?
What do you think?
What do you think?
Illiegal in all circumstances. [ 2 ] ** [11.11%]
Illiegal except in cases when the mother's life is threatened. [ 3 ] ** [16.67%]
Illiegal except in cases of rape and/or incest. [ 4 ] ** [22.22%]
Legal up to 6 weeks [ 1 ] ** [5.56%]
Legal up to 12 weeks [ 1 ] ** [5.56%]
Legal up to 18 weeks [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Legal up to 24 weeks [ 1 ] ** [5.56%]
Legal up birth [ 6 ] ** [33.33%]
Don't care [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Something else (please specify) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Total Votes: 18
  
Slayer of Cliffracers
post Aug 2 2005, 11:02 PM
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This is my position........

Abortion, unless done purely for the purposes of offsetting an imediate threat to the mother's life (choice 2) is murder by definition. Murder is the deliberate and pre-meditated killing of another human that is not done in self-defense. Upon what definition does a human fetus not constitute a human. It is the form taken by a human life at a certain stage of it's growth and development, it is not any other species therefore it is a human life. To draw an arbitery line in the sand at a certain point of the growth and development of a human life is ridiculous.

Sure the embryo at very early stages of it's development isn't conscious, but so what? Are we to excuse everyone who kills his victims say when in deep sleep, or while knocked out, on the basic that since they aren't presently conscious, they aren't officially human. The position of the embryo is exactly the same as the sleeping person, though they aren't conscious at present they will become so at a later point as their development reaches whatever mysterious point that they need to get too to become conscious. The fetus is thus 100% alive and 100% human and the process of abortion makes it 100% dead and 100% human, hence abortion is murder.

What about the other pro-abortion argument that the embryo/fetus constitutes a part of the woman's body. This doesn't make sense either. The embryo/fetus has a seperate genetic code (unless it's a clone) from it's mother and though it is totally dependant on it's mother for everything still constitutes a seperate entity inside the mothers body. If the fetus is considered part of the mother, that would mean that she can logically claim to be a bacterium, a virus, an intestinal worm or an ameoba, as all of these could also be inside her, along with millions of other parisites.

So abortion is murder.
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Slayer of Cliffracers   Abortion   Aug 2 2005, 11:02 PM
Zelda_Zealot   I agree with ^, but I went with option #3. If you ...   Aug 2 2005, 11:12 PM
Stargazey   Abortion is a woman's choice. Who are you and ...   Aug 3 2005, 12:56 AM
gamer10   Germany was Hitler's nation, was he right to...   Aug 3 2005, 01:04 AM
Red   How does Hitler fit into this? Plus it isn't...   Aug 3 2005, 01:13 AM
gamer10   How does he not, Hitler was a murderer. A life i...   Aug 3 2005, 01:15 AM
Red   Sorry about the last part, I was reading three t...   Aug 3 2005, 01:57 AM
Dantrag   I've done it many a time. It's a very go...   Aug 3 2005, 05:06 AM
Kell-Reevor   While I normally wouldn't touch a topic like t...   Aug 3 2005, 06:07 AM
DoomedOne   Look at rthe last parliament (the locked one) for ...   Aug 3 2005, 06:21 AM
Dantrag   Basically, you just said that we shouldn't s...   Aug 3 2005, 07:03 AM
Sinder Velvin   I'm all for abortion. A teenage girl shouldn...   Aug 3 2005, 08:58 AM
DoomedOne   Murder is not a perfect parallel to abortion. You...   Aug 3 2005, 08:22 AM
Konradude   Having an abortion may ruin one life, but keeping ...   Aug 3 2005, 08:59 AM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Wrong, an abortion ends one life, but keeping it...   Aug 3 2005, 11:28 AM
Sinder Velvin   That is not what he is saying. Please do not twi...   Aug 3 2005, 02:13 PM
Konradude   So you think it should be totally illegal? So a 12...   Aug 3 2005, 12:17 PM
Stargazey   So, are abortion doctors akin to the third reich...   Aug 3 2005, 03:10 PM
Epy   Please, folks. Avoid all manners of unnecessary ho...   Aug 3 2005, 03:49 PM
gamer10   Oke Doke :) I'm still wondering how a 12...   Aug 3 2005, 04:05 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   I was not putting words into anyone's mouth, n...   Aug 3 2005, 05:02 PM
Konradude   So, are you going to strive to make periods illega...   Aug 3 2005, 05:18 PM
Dantrag   What!?! that would be like making hurr...   Aug 3 2005, 05:42 PM
stargelinho   A little off-topic... Slayer of Cliffracers, just...   Aug 3 2005, 05:39 PM
gamer10   Like Dantrag said, it's not something that c...   Aug 3 2005, 05:46 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   I'm not in favor of capital punishment, no. I...   Aug 3 2005, 08:51 PM
Alexander   agreed. it's legal here in the netherlands, ...   Aug 4 2005, 05:47 AM
Dantrag   So the child is somehow less human than the moth...   Aug 4 2005, 06:02 AM
Alexander   well I guess my viw differs somewhat. I think wh...   Aug 4 2005, 12:10 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   That unwanted children have a tendancy to have a...   Aug 4 2005, 01:10 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Darkwing, money is not an excuse to kill. You can...   Aug 4 2005, 01:39 PM
Kiln   I voted illegal unless a girl is raped. I think a...   Aug 4 2005, 08:17 AM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Why shouldn't we compare abortion and the Nazi...   Aug 4 2005, 09:48 AM
Darkwing   I went through an abortion with an old girlfriend....   Aug 4 2005, 01:00 PM
Darkwing   Its extremely easy to take the moral high ground o...   Aug 4 2005, 01:58 PM
Stargazey   That's a sad story, Dark, and I'm sorry yo...   Aug 4 2005, 03:22 PM
Alexander   somehow you (slayer) make it sound like if every c...   Aug 4 2005, 04:49 PM
gamer10   The elderly people of most of the world will start...   Aug 4 2005, 04:56 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   LOL gamer, I hardly doubt there will be a popula...   Aug 4 2005, 05:23 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Read my posts before making assumptions that I don...   Aug 4 2005, 08:38 PM
MerGirl   Well, I'm not sure about this whole thing, sin...   Aug 5 2005, 12:36 AM
gamer10   So let's just go sacrifice ourselves to uncr...   Aug 5 2005, 12:46 AM
MerGirl   Well, I'd rather lose the thing that hasn...   Aug 5 2005, 12:54 AM
gamer10   You forget there are fathers too. They don't ...   Aug 5 2005, 01:01 AM
MerGirl   Shoot! I forgot about the fathers too! (A...   Aug 5 2005, 01:29 AM
Dantrag   Honestly, if somebody told me before I was born, t...   Aug 5 2005, 05:15 AM
Darkwing   Like i've said before. Its easy to argue both ...   Aug 5 2005, 09:26 AM
Sinder Velvin   Awwwww... :( I disagree. Two things. 1: ...   Aug 5 2005, 12:14 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   So we should kill everyone who is poor and whose l...   Aug 5 2005, 06:20 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   please don't refer to yourself as the advocate...   Aug 5 2005, 06:32 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Stop avoiding answering my question. Upon what ba...   Aug 5 2005, 06:46 PM
burntsierra   Darkwing, Sinder, Alex and many others have repl...   Aug 5 2005, 06:59 PM
Dantrag   I really didn't see his statement as rude or...   Aug 5 2005, 07:48 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Alright you've answered my question Megil Te Z...   Aug 5 2005, 09:01 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   -.- that is slightly uncalled for. I don't kn...   Aug 5 2005, 06:58 PM
Alexander   I think there is a very large difference between s...   Aug 5 2005, 09:28 PM
Dantrag   That's his point though. everyone implies ...   Aug 5 2005, 09:31 PM
burntsierra   Right, I am not at all happy with the way this goi...   Aug 5 2005, 10:37 PM
Alexander   If you were given the choice to live or be aborted...   Aug 5 2005, 10:52 PM
Dantrag   I must admit, I hadn't noticed this passage ...   Aug 5 2005, 11:02 PM
King Death   I personally feel that abortion no matter what the...   Aug 6 2005, 01:37 AM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Why do I keep repeating the same arguments? Beaca...   Aug 6 2005, 11:06 AM
burntsierra   Right, I've had enough of this. The argument i...   Aug 6 2005, 01:01 PM


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