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Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate? |
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Slayer of Cliffracers |
Aug 2 2005, 11:02 PM
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From: Crawley, England

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This is my position........
Abortion, unless done purely for the purposes of offsetting an imediate threat to the mother's life (choice 2) is murder by definition. Murder is the deliberate and pre-meditated killing of another human that is not done in self-defense. Upon what definition does a human fetus not constitute a human. It is the form taken by a human life at a certain stage of it's growth and development, it is not any other species therefore it is a human life. To draw an arbitery line in the sand at a certain point of the growth and development of a human life is ridiculous.
Sure the embryo at very early stages of it's development isn't conscious, but so what? Are we to excuse everyone who kills his victims say when in deep sleep, or while knocked out, on the basic that since they aren't presently conscious, they aren't officially human. The position of the embryo is exactly the same as the sleeping person, though they aren't conscious at present they will become so at a later point as their development reaches whatever mysterious point that they need to get too to become conscious. The fetus is thus 100% alive and 100% human and the process of abortion makes it 100% dead and 100% human, hence abortion is murder.
What about the other pro-abortion argument that the embryo/fetus constitutes a part of the woman's body. This doesn't make sense either. The embryo/fetus has a seperate genetic code (unless it's a clone) from it's mother and though it is totally dependant on it's mother for everything still constitutes a seperate entity inside the mothers body. If the fetus is considered part of the mother, that would mean that she can logically claim to be a bacterium, a virus, an intestinal worm or an ameoba, as all of these could also be inside her, along with millions of other parisites.
So abortion is murder.
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Slayer of Cliffracers Abortion Aug 2 2005, 11:02 PM Zelda_Zealot I agree with ^, but I went with option #3. If you ... Aug 2 2005, 11:12 PM Stargazey Abortion is a woman's choice. Who are you and ... Aug 3 2005, 12:56 AM gamer10
Germany was Hitler's nation, was he right to... Aug 3 2005, 01:04 AM Red
How does Hitler fit into this? Plus it isn't... Aug 3 2005, 01:13 AM gamer10
How does he not, Hitler was a murderer. A life i... Aug 3 2005, 01:15 AM Red
Sorry about the last part, I was reading three t... Aug 3 2005, 01:57 AM  Dantrag
I've done it many a time. It's a very go... Aug 3 2005, 05:06 AM DoomedOne Look at rthe last parliament (the locked one) for ... Aug 3 2005, 06:21 AM Dantrag
Basically, you just said that we shouldn't s... Aug 3 2005, 07:03 AM Sinder Velvin I'm all for abortion. A teenage girl shouldn... Aug 3 2005, 08:58 AM DoomedOne Murder is not a perfect parallel to abortion. You... Aug 3 2005, 08:22 AM Konradude Having an abortion may ruin one life, but keeping ... Aug 3 2005, 08:59 AM Slayer of Cliffracers
Wrong, an abortion ends one life, but keeping it... Aug 3 2005, 11:28 AM  Sinder Velvin
That is not what he is saying. Please do not twi... Aug 3 2005, 02:13 PM Konradude So you think it should be totally illegal? So a 12... Aug 3 2005, 12:17 PM Stargazey
So, are abortion doctors akin to the third reich... Aug 3 2005, 03:10 PM Epy Please, folks. Avoid all manners of unnecessary ho... Aug 3 2005, 03:49 PM gamer10
Oke Doke :)
I'm still wondering how a 12... Aug 3 2005, 04:05 PM Slayer of Cliffracers I was not putting words into anyone's mouth, n... Aug 3 2005, 05:02 PM Konradude So, are you going to strive to make periods illega... Aug 3 2005, 05:18 PM Dantrag
What!?!
that would be like making hurr... Aug 3 2005, 05:42 PM stargelinho A little off-topic...
Slayer of Cliffracers, just... Aug 3 2005, 05:39 PM gamer10
Like Dantrag said, it's not something that c... Aug 3 2005, 05:46 PM Slayer of Cliffracers I'm not in favor of capital punishment, no. I... Aug 3 2005, 08:51 PM Alexander
agreed. it's legal here in the netherlands, ... Aug 4 2005, 05:47 AM Dantrag
So the child is somehow less human than the moth... Aug 4 2005, 06:02 AM  Alexander
well I guess my viw differs somewhat. I think wh... Aug 4 2005, 12:10 PM   Slayer of Cliffracers
That unwanted children have a tendancy to have a... Aug 4 2005, 01:10 PM    Slayer of Cliffracers Darkwing, money is not an excuse to kill. You can... Aug 4 2005, 01:39 PM Kiln I voted illegal unless a girl is raped.
I think a... Aug 4 2005, 08:17 AM Slayer of Cliffracers Why shouldn't we compare abortion and the Nazi... Aug 4 2005, 09:48 AM Darkwing I went through an abortion with an old girlfriend.... Aug 4 2005, 01:00 PM Darkwing Its extremely easy to take the moral high ground o... Aug 4 2005, 01:58 PM Stargazey That's a sad story, Dark, and I'm sorry yo... Aug 4 2005, 03:22 PM Alexander somehow you (slayer) make it sound like if every c... Aug 4 2005, 04:49 PM gamer10 The elderly people of most of the world will start... Aug 4 2005, 04:56 PM Megil Tel-Zeke LOL gamer,
I hardly doubt there will be a popula... Aug 4 2005, 05:23 PM Slayer of Cliffracers Read my posts before making assumptions that I don... Aug 4 2005, 08:38 PM MerGirl Well, I'm not sure about this whole thing, sin... Aug 5 2005, 12:36 AM gamer10
So let's just go sacrifice ourselves to uncr... Aug 5 2005, 12:46 AM MerGirl
Well, I'd rather lose the thing that hasn... Aug 5 2005, 12:54 AM gamer10 You forget there are fathers too.
They don't ... Aug 5 2005, 01:01 AM MerGirl
Shoot! I forgot about the fathers too! (A... Aug 5 2005, 01:29 AM Dantrag Honestly, if somebody told me before I was born, t... Aug 5 2005, 05:15 AM Darkwing Like i've said before. Its easy to argue both ... Aug 5 2005, 09:26 AM Sinder Velvin
Awwwww... :(
I disagree.
Two things.
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... Aug 5 2005, 12:14 PM Slayer of Cliffracers So we should kill everyone who is poor and whose l... Aug 5 2005, 06:20 PM Megil Tel-Zeke please don't refer to yourself as the advocate... Aug 5 2005, 06:32 PM Slayer of Cliffracers Stop avoiding answering my question. Upon what ba... Aug 5 2005, 06:46 PM  burntsierra
Darkwing, Sinder, Alex and many others have repl... Aug 5 2005, 06:59 PM   Dantrag
I really didn't see his statement as rude or... Aug 5 2005, 07:48 PM    Slayer of Cliffracers Alright you've answered my question Megil Te Z... Aug 5 2005, 09:01 PM Megil Tel-Zeke -.- that is slightly uncalled for.
I don't kn... Aug 5 2005, 06:58 PM Alexander I think there is a very large difference between s... Aug 5 2005, 09:28 PM Dantrag
That's his point though.
everyone implies ... Aug 5 2005, 09:31 PM burntsierra Right, I am not at all happy with the way this goi... Aug 5 2005, 10:37 PM Alexander If you were given the choice to live or be aborted... Aug 5 2005, 10:52 PM Dantrag
I must admit, I hadn't noticed this passage ... Aug 5 2005, 11:02 PM King Death I personally feel that abortion no matter what the... Aug 6 2005, 01:37 AM Slayer of Cliffracers Why do I keep repeating the same arguments? Beaca... Aug 6 2005, 11:06 AM burntsierra Right, I've had enough of this. The argument i... Aug 6 2005, 01:01 PM
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