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Dantrag
post Jul 26 2005, 03:57 PM
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What do you guys think about drugs? Do you think they should remain illegal or become legalized? I agree that drugs can ruin your life, but so can alcohol, and that's legal. And honsetly, I think that alcohol is more harmful than marijuana. Alcohol makes a lot of people angry and violent when they are drunk, but people on marijuana are just relaxed and happy. I just want to know where the government draws the line for this stuff.

I think marijuana shoul;d be legalized, for the reason above, and for the fact that it would give the government a lot more money, and open up new jobs at the 'marijuana farm'. I think the other drugs should stay illegal though - they mess you up pretty bad, from what I hear.

(This is based on USA laws...don't know too much about other countries' policies on narcotics.)

PS - I do not smoke weed, I am speaking from seeing other people high and drunk.



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post Aug 2 2005, 02:17 AM
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Illegalization is not the cure to a drug problem. It's been proven time and time again that if you want to fight something negative, you don't tell a bunch of men in guns to arrest anyone who uses it or partakes in it. This is how you can fight your war on drugs: don't use them, don't let them in your house, pressure your friends and family off of them. That's it. Illeglization wouldn't fix any problem.

Marijuana does more good than bad. It's medical uses go beyond just reducing glocoma behind the eyes to slowing the growth of brain tumors and countering the side-effects of chemotherapy. Because a small percent of the population abuses its use, we should not allow these people that get something really good from its use to have it? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to put yourself in a hallucinogenic state using marijuana? Even more so to go into a schizofrenic state.

My stance on Marijuana is the exact same on abortion (a tie in to the last parliment). I don't use it, I don't practice with it, and every other human being has the same choice. If (or as long as it is) illegal there will still be hundreds of people who don't get the help they need, or have to commit a crime to get the help they need. It's not fair to those people.


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post Aug 2 2005, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(DoomedOne @ Aug 2 2005, 02:17 AM)
Illegalization is not the cure to a drug problem.  It's been proven time and time again that if you want to fight something negative, you don't tell a bunch of men in guns to arrest anyone who uses it or partakes in it.  This is how you can fight your war on drugs: don't use them, don't let them in your house, pressure your friends and family off of them.  That's it.  Illeglization wouldn't fix any problem.

Marijuana does more good than bad.  It's medical uses go beyond just reducing glocoma behind the eyes to slowing the growth of brain tumors and countering the side-effects of chemotherapy.  Because a small percent of the population abuses its use, we should not allow these people that get something really good from its use to have it?  Do you have any idea how difficult it is to put yourself in a hallucinogenic state using marijuana?  Even more so to go into a schizofrenic state.

My stance on Marijuana is the exact same on abortion (a tie in to the last parliment).  I don't use it, I don't practice with it, and every other human being has the same choice.  If (or as long as it is) illegal there will still be hundreds of people who don't get the help they need, or have to commit a crime to get the help they need.  It's not fair to those people.
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It's proved that there's a link between cannabis and schitzophenia. The whole stuff about it having positive effects that outweigh the bad (except maybe in a few medicinal situations) is simply propoganda by libertariens and their junkie allies, if tobacco isn't good for you, how much better can cannabis, proven to cause schitsophenia do. People don't need cannabis to stay alive hence their is no justification for tolorating widespread cannabis use.

You should never make laws around the criminals that break them, the purpose of legislation is not to elimate the crime completely (which is impossable) but to control the offending behavior. Thus the fact that smoking such illiegal drugs is not normal practice in the same way as smoking and alcohol in mainstream 'lawabiding' society mean that the legislation has worked. Remember, once you allow any narcotic free rein in your society, not only will you reap the negative effects, but also do not have the freedom to elimate them, look at tobacco and alcohol for proof. I very much approve of treatment of drug users, that way you reduce the base and also think that action to destroy the production facilities of such drugs is also to be welcomed.

Remember all Narcotics (even alcohol) enslave those societies that use them, if things are bad enough with the current levels of junkies and drug dealers, think how much worse things will be when the almost the whole population uses drugs, advertisments for drug brands are placed on TV and so on and the 'drug dealers' are respectable highstreet shopkeepers. Those who campaign for drug legalisation are frankly idiots who fail to learn from the damage that already legalised drugs have done, how much more will be done if even more and possibly more powerful drugs are added to the mix. Sure 'crime' will be lower but that's some way to get rid of crime, get rid of the laws that make them. Seriously giving ground to crime is surrender and cowardice.

People can function quite happily without narcotics, so what need do we have for them. But 'Narcotics' don't want to be eliminated, therefore it utilised those it has already enslaved to fight the effort to undermine those that have the courage to oppose them and attempting to take over large swathes of society (starting with those already excluded such as various shades of criminals) in order to secure the destruction of their enemies. If this sounds a bit wierd, remember that each narcotic constitute a powerful entity that by 'using' the minds of those they already control, effectively conspire to secure power and secure more slaves. Illiegal narcotics have marked the societies that banned them as enemies, and conspire through crime and isolating their slaves from other influences to strengthen their hold over them. The aim ultimately is to convince their enemies that they have failed and thus achieve surrender/legalisation.

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post Aug 3 2005, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(Slayer of Cliffracers @ Aug 2 2005, 09:42 PM)
Those who campaign for drug legalisation are frankly idiots who fail to learn from the damage that already legalised drugs have done, how much more will be done if even more and possibly more powerful drugs are added to the mix.

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Dantrag   Drugs. Legal Or Illegal?   Jul 26 2005, 03:57 PM
gamer10   Well, growing up in a family that has no smokers o...   Jul 26 2005, 04:01 PM
Kell-Reevor   The only reason I can think of that would (somewha...   Jul 26 2005, 04:21 PM
stargelinho   Actually, there's a pretty strong lobby out t...   Jul 26 2005, 04:47 PM
Fuzzy Knight   Here in Norway... Marijuana is even illegal, even ...   Jul 26 2005, 06:08 PM
Channler   I cant really justify why I think marijuana should...   Jul 26 2005, 07:11 PM
Dantrag   Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And noth...   Jul 26 2005, 07:39 PM
Kell-Reevor   You shot me down. That sucks :(   Jul 26 2005, 07:36 PM
Channler   Tis true dantrag, but here in good ol' Nashvil...   Jul 26 2005, 07:59 PM
vaanic~one   Marijjuana, or weed, or whatever, can still be pre...   Jul 26 2005, 08:27 PM
Channler   Anything in excess can kill you too :-/ Like M...   Jul 26 2005, 08:37 PM
Chumbaniya   I'd much rather have cannibis legalised and ha...   Jul 27 2005, 12:20 AM
Wolfie   Actually one jpint contains ten times as much tar...   Jul 27 2005, 02:46 PM
DoomedOne   Time for me to correct you, sorry. One joint of...   Jul 27 2005, 11:19 PM
Dantrag   Are you serious? Nicotine beats heroine? I gues...   Jul 27 2005, 11:21 PM
DoomedOne   Marijuana should be legalized. You guys realize t...   Jul 27 2005, 04:02 AM
Aki   oh yes, thoswe stoners seem nice and relaxed whi...   Jul 27 2005, 08:15 PM
stargelinho   I think we're a little confused here. You mus...   Jul 27 2005, 08:17 PM
Aki   No, thats pratically any drug addict. The body an...   Jul 29 2005, 03:52 AM
stargelinho   Well, you implied that people that smoke dope tur...   Jul 30 2005, 09:03 AM
Fuzzy Knight   Wise words.. and totally true.. :)   Jul 30 2005, 02:29 PM
Channler   Its been proven that controlled use of alcohol,...   Jul 30 2005, 03:49 PM
Fuzzy Knight   Heart too I think... :)   Jul 30 2005, 04:19 PM
Channler   Nope, I've seen people that do crack go flippi...   Jul 27 2005, 08:39 PM
ShogunSniper   never got high so i couldn't say... but you ha...   Jul 27 2005, 09:32 PM
burntsierra   The argument has always been that 1) It leads t...   Jul 27 2005, 09:52 PM
Alexander   I'm from the netherlands myself, and here of c...   Jul 27 2005, 10:33 PM
DoomedOne   Well if you think about it, when someone is taking...   Jul 27 2005, 11:43 PM
Channler   Well Doomed these guys must have been making cigs ...   Jul 28 2005, 04:13 AM
DoomedOne   You said earlier they couldn't get the "c...   Jul 28 2005, 08:54 PM
Channler   I did!?! OMG I'm glad I dont do drug...   Jul 29 2005, 03:09 AM
Megil Tel-Zeke   Hmm yes nicotene is up there with heroine as far a...   Jul 29 2005, 03:31 AM
DoomedOne   Well hgere's an analogy. The chemicals in you...   Jul 29 2005, 03:55 AM
Megil Tel-Zeke   well phrased, but some like nicotene change the sh...   Jul 29 2005, 04:01 AM
Red   Hmm, though all my life I have been told to stay a...   Jul 30 2005, 01:15 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   I believe the red wine has more to do with the con...   Jul 30 2005, 04:38 PM
molia   i'm a smoker, so i can tell u advantages and d...   Aug 1 2005, 07:54 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   No I don't think that cannabis should be legal...   Aug 1 2005, 09:24 PM
Slayer of Cliffracers   Do people need narcotics to stay alive. No. Have...   Aug 3 2005, 11:34 AM
Red   Though I may seem like a bit of a jerk by saying...   Aug 8 2005, 12:08 AM
DoomedOne   A link between marijuana and schizophrenia is the ...   Aug 3 2005, 05:54 AM
Megil Tel-Zeke   Do people need fast food to stay alive, NO. Has th...   Aug 3 2005, 02:43 PM
DoomedOne   Yeah good poiont. I mean, sure, marijuana has bee...   Aug 3 2005, 09:43 PM
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DoomedOne   I was arguing with slayer, don't you worry tha...   Aug 4 2005, 07:17 AM
minque   HEEY! No need to be rude to Megil! Stay c...   Aug 7 2005, 10:08 PM
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Red   Because #! some people share different views...   Aug 10 2005, 04:33 AM
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darkcootie   MAybe because they contribute to presidential and...   Aug 10 2005, 04:54 PM
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