Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate? Options

[Slayer of Cliffracers]

This is my position........

Abortion, unless done purely for the purposes of offsetting an imediate threat to the mother's life (choice 2) is murder by definition. Murder is the deliberate and pre-meditated killing of another human that is not done in self-defense. Upon what definition does a human fetus not constitute a human. It is the form taken by a human life at a certain stage of it's growth and development, it is not any other species therefore it is a human life. To draw an arbitery line in the sand at a certain point of the growth and development of a human life is ridiculous.

Sure the embryo at very early stages of it's development isn't conscious, but so what? Are we to excuse everyone who kills his victims say when in deep sleep, or while knocked out, on the basic that since they aren't presently conscious, they aren't officially human. The position of the embryo is exactly the same as the sleeping person, though they aren't conscious at present they will become so at a later point as their development reaches whatever mysterious point that they need to get too to become conscious. The fetus is thus 100% alive and 100% human and the process of abortion makes it 100% dead and 100% human, hence abortion is murder.

What about the other pro-abortion argument that the embryo/fetus constitutes a part of the woman's body. This doesn't make sense either. The embryo/fetus has a seperate genetic code (unless it's a clone) from it's mother and though it is totally dependant on it's mother for everything still constitutes a seperate entity inside the mothers body. If the fetus is considered part of the mother, that would mean that she can logically claim to be a bacterium, a virus, an intestinal worm or an ameoba, as all of these could also be inside her, along with millions of other parisites.

So abortion is murder.

[DoomedOne]

Murder is not a perfect parallel to abortion. Your point is obviously to give me perspective to understand that Abortion is a lot like teenage girls killing children, only the children are in their bodies and they're not children yet, but to you, murder is murder. That is my understanding, that murder is murder. I agree with you, I think these girls are murdering their children, but I'm not a polarizer, therefore I don't think murder is murder. Only a sith deals in absolute (I really couldn't resist). You can personally disagree with abortion all you like, and I agree, I'd rather not be a part of it. I'd rather a girl I'm in relation with make the choice to have the baby and put into adoption. But I'm not there, and there thousands of situations all over the globe where there aren't people like us who have a say in it. There are plenty of girls who will get an abortion no matter what. We can't stop that, what we can do is control it. In this situation, it's a choice between losing a few thousand young girls every year and losing a few thousand potential children every year. In that sense, it's not like murder, it's called picking your poison. To me, the baby has maybe two people that care for it, while that girl has an entire family that will be utterly heart-broken. The world does not work in a way where you can save everybody. Hell, I'd love it if Vash the Stampede were here to figure out a way to save every single girl on the planet that gets pregnant and decides to get reckless instead of facing a child.