Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate? Options

[Slayer of Cliffracers]

This is my position........

Abortion, unless done purely for the purposes of offsetting an imediate threat to the mother's life (choice 2) is murder by definition. Murder is the deliberate and pre-meditated killing of another human that is not done in self-defense. Upon what definition does a human fetus not constitute a human. It is the form taken by a human life at a certain stage of it's growth and development, it is not any other species therefore it is a human life. To draw an arbitery line in the sand at a certain point of the growth and development of a human life is ridiculous.

Sure the embryo at very early stages of it's development isn't conscious, but so what? Are we to excuse everyone who kills his victims say when in deep sleep, or while knocked out, on the basic that since they aren't presently conscious, they aren't officially human. The position of the embryo is exactly the same as the sleeping person, though they aren't conscious at present they will become so at a later point as their development reaches whatever mysterious point that they need to get too to become conscious. The fetus is thus 100% alive and 100% human and the process of abortion makes it 100% dead and 100% human, hence abortion is murder.

What about the other pro-abortion argument that the embryo/fetus constitutes a part of the woman's body. This doesn't make sense either. The embryo/fetus has a seperate genetic code (unless it's a clone) from it's mother and though it is totally dependant on it's mother for everything still constitutes a seperate entity inside the mothers body. If the fetus is considered part of the mother, that would mean that she can logically claim to be a bacterium, a virus, an intestinal worm or an ameoba, as all of these could also be inside her, along with millions of other parisites.

So abortion is murder.

[Alexander]

Abortion is a woman's choice. Who are you and I to tell a woman what she can do in her body? Condoms are not foolproof, nor are birth control pills.

agreed. it's legal here in the netherlands, and I'm glad it is. say I get a girlfriend one day (yes yes I know, about as likely to happen as hell freezing over, but bear with me here )

and we mess things up and in the morning she's pregnant. I don't think I'd be ready for a child at this young age. can you imagine the same situation for someone that's 14 and tries to do some experimenting?

it's not fair to force someone to ruin their life for a mistake. yes it's your own responsibility, and yes everyone should pay attention as closely as possible to prevent something like this happening. still my point stands.

Germany was Hitler's nation, was he right to do what he did?

Why carry out the act if you're not willing to bear the responsibility of what normally occurs without an unnatural prevention method?

comparing the third reich, holocaust and all to abortion doesn't sound like a good idea to be honest. it's also quite inaccurate IMO

A little off-topic...

Slayer of Cliffracers, just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on capital punishment?

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no going off topic star