Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate? Options

[Slayer of Cliffracers]

This is my position........

Abortion, unless done purely for the purposes of offsetting an imediate threat to the mother's life (choice 2) is murder by definition. Murder is the deliberate and pre-meditated killing of another human that is not done in self-defense. Upon what definition does a human fetus not constitute a human. It is the form taken by a human life at a certain stage of it's growth and development, it is not any other species therefore it is a human life. To draw an arbitery line in the sand at a certain point of the growth and development of a human life is ridiculous.

Sure the embryo at very early stages of it's development isn't conscious, but so what? Are we to excuse everyone who kills his victims say when in deep sleep, or while knocked out, on the basic that since they aren't presently conscious, they aren't officially human. The position of the embryo is exactly the same as the sleeping person, though they aren't conscious at present they will become so at a later point as their development reaches whatever mysterious point that they need to get too to become conscious. The fetus is thus 100% alive and 100% human and the process of abortion makes it 100% dead and 100% human, hence abortion is murder.

What about the other pro-abortion argument that the embryo/fetus constitutes a part of the woman's body. This doesn't make sense either. The embryo/fetus has a seperate genetic code (unless it's a clone) from it's mother and though it is totally dependant on it's mother for everything still constitutes a seperate entity inside the mothers body. If the fetus is considered part of the mother, that would mean that she can logically claim to be a bacterium, a virus, an intestinal worm or an ameoba, as all of these could also be inside her, along with millions of other parisites.

So abortion is murder.

[Alexander]

If you were given the choice to live or be aborted, you wouldn't even try to live and make the best of it? Crap happens to me all the time, I don't get depressed and wallow in self-pity. I just keep going and make the best of it. Maybe that's just me and I'm the only one that finds it easy to do.

I must admit, I hadn't noticed this passage before.

I sincerely hope you didn't mean this toward me, or darkwing specifically but more in general.

because if you did mean it towards me personally then please say so and we'll be starting an entirely different discussion in private where I might just explain a few things about myself, and then I'll ask you again if you still feel this way about me.

and in no means do I admit to doing this myself, I don't.



edit:
and Burntsierra:

Great post. I couldn't agree more.

[Dantrag]

If you were given the choice to live or be aborted, you wouldn't even try to live and make the best of it? Crap happens to me all the time, I don't get depressed and wallow in self-pity. I just keep going and make the best of it. Maybe that's just me and I'm the only one that finds it easy to do.

I must admit, I hadn't noticed this passage before.

I sincerely hope you didn't mean this toward me, or darkwing specifically but more in general.

because if you did mean it towards me personally then please say so and we'll be starting an entirely different discussion in private where I might just explain a few things about myself, and then I'll ask you again if you still feel this way about me.

I didn't mean it towards anyone personally, and forgive me if it sounded that way. it was for the sake of arguing that life is worth living for the baby, because the point of "what if it has a bad life?" was made.

To burntsierra -

I was not trying to be judgemental at all, and if it came across that way, I didn't mean it to. Yes, my opinion has been stated many times, but that is what happens in a debate, which is in fact, an argument. I never disrespected anyone's opinion, I merely told my view on the subject. And seeing as I'm causing so many problems, I will remove myself from all future debates in this forum on this subject.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Aug 5 2005, 11:28 PM