Waiting4oblivion Parliament, lets try again, shall we? Options

[Burnt Sierra]

Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.

Right, now we got the unpleasant bit out of the way, lets begin anew shall we?

p.s. yes Channler, those were the original rules, but seeing as how everyone seemed to forget them last time, I thought I'd make a little pointed reminder.

[DoomedOne]

There's a different situation. As of today, the majority of governments considered to be dictatorships were actually installed and backed by the US, most of the them in the Reagan era. Actually, jsut because Kenya and Niger are developing countries, it doesn't mean they have facist, murderous dictators.

But, I will get to that soon.

Fade2Gary, let me address this first. I didn't say channler was brainwashed, I said he was on the bandwagon, and it's true. People in the United States against the UN are on the abndwagon. I've explained why quite througfhly if you wouldn't mind reading. Please don't take this disrespectfully, but I dislike it when someone sets up a scarecrow in a debate.

Fidel Castro-
Paranoid guy. Killed 2 people in college for disagreeing with him, has made dissent illegal in Cuba (for fear that the formal regime will attempt to take back the country, like they could.)
100% of the people in Cuba can read, can get help when ill, have shelter, three meals a day, a job, and support to raise children. Fidel Castro himself never quite got it, but the fact that he was raised with communist ideals did help the people of the government. There are problems, and many things in his form of communism go directly against many american ideals. That's why people don't like Castro. Why people leave, I don't know. They all have everything they need, there is no oppression in cuba though police there I heard are arrogant and power-trippy (he gives his police too much power over the people, in direcft violation of socialist idealism, but of course he is paranoid).

Channler, Ann Coulter said it, not you. Ann Coulter is a retard, we can foget her. Just because a few other nut-jobs bought her books does not mean she's credible, and therefore I don't think its fair to name her as a voice of the right-wing. I will say this however, killing their leaders is arrogant. Self-rightiousness is the root of so many problems in the world these days the last thing we need is another person willing to cross a few lines to get something done, no matter how much they think it's the right thing. See, Channler this is why I'm against a violence, and no need to argue it just respect my opinion. I'm not against violence because I think I'm some enlightened messiah right about everything, I'm against violence because I may be wrong. You can understand this, because you have big goals as well, but basically what I'm saying is no matter how much I do in life, as long as I didn't show prejudice, kill anybody, torture anybody, or order someone else to kill anybody, no one will be able to write me in the history books as an ***hole.

PS: Jonajosa, this is a parliament. We are not complaining, we are debating. What's to stop me from saying you're complaining about the UN because you don't like the way it's run? I understand that this is a parliament, that's why. For many problems there is a conservative side (the side that wants things to stay as they are) and the radical side (the side that wants to change things). In abortion, I think it should remain legal, therefore I'm on the conservative side. That does not, however, make me call someone who thinks it should be illegalized a complainer.

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: Aug 9 2005, 06:45 AM

[jonajosa]

Gone for secruity reasons

This post has been edited by jonajosa: Aug 11 2005, 04:17 AM