Waiting4oblivion Parliament, lets try again, shall we? Options

[Burnt Sierra]

Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.

Right, now we got the unpleasant bit out of the way, lets begin anew shall we?

p.s. yes Channler, those were the original rules, but seeing as how everyone seemed to forget them last time, I thought I'd make a little pointed reminder.

[Stargazey]

For Gods sake open the blinds! Obviously you can't see!

The President DID NOT KILL HER SON. Think about this! For us to go to war not only did the Prez have to agree but what, the congress too? Complain to them? Was the boy drafted? No, did he choose to serve in the military? Yes. In the military (as with everything else) you just might die! Hard to imagin aye?

Does the slaughter of innocent people not count as a justification for this war?  What does anyone hope to accomplish by saying the war isn't justified? MORE DEAD US SOLDIERS. Damn I wish we had all those old WW2 posters hanging around still...



Wouldn't it be nice if a few posters like that were hanging around? The deaths of fallen would be for nothing if we were to pull out, as with the lives of the freedom loving and democratic Iraqi's too. It means if we pull out, and simply put, We Lost.

Just like Vietnam, we every major battle of the war, the enemies casualtys were 10 times more then ours. Oh, everyone was pumped up at the beginning.. "Something to match the greatest generation!" Some said, but then people learned the true, horrible, and most contraversiol(OMG SP?) thing of war. You had to fight it. And people did not want to fight the war, why? Because the uprise of TVs and other means of communications that show'd the horrors, and the trevasties of war. No longer was it the romantic cause that everyone was led to believe. Like stories of Alexander the Great, and our own War of Independence. People in their minds, fashioned them to be epic things, way more fantasized then truth should permet.

Untill the nations of the world can get to the level that we are at, can there be true peace (If short even). Many people think if we love them, they will love us. Every individual, that owns part of a brain should know that to not be true. Until those developing nations can ALL see the true horror of it all, will they know, and will wish for a peaceful life. And until that day happens, America, The United States of America, and every freedom proclaiming nation about, should fight for noble causes.

I realize this might hurt you to think this, but the New World was very rarely colonized by the meek. This means that we, are a nation of warriors. I will say, "peaceful" warriors, but we MUST NEVER forget our heritage in that fact.

Man, I love this country, and I would die for it. And I must thank you all for putting up debates such as this, for it really adds to my patriotic fervour(SP), makes me want to find out even more ways I can help the US.

And what is your way of "helping the US", aside from joining the Armed Forces? Going to a Pro-War rally, and wrapping yourself in the flag? Is that how you pledge your loyalty to this country, MY country? Well, let me tell you something, going to a rally and saying "God Bless America" does not make you a patriot. Protesting and showing your displeasure with the government, that makes you a patriot, that shows that you appreciate what you have, and you don't want it destoryed, by some chicken hawk nutjobs.

And, while you're thinking of joining the Armed Forces, read this:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Bush_cuts_...041503.htm'
(Don't say "Oh it's a commie veteran group." What they say is dead on.)

http://www.thenewstribune.com/front/topsto...p-4297561c.html


That's how your beloved sniggering President supports our troops.

SNIP

You always beat me to it DoomedOne. Damn it.