Waiting4oblivion Parliament, lets try again, shall we? Options

[Burnt Sierra]

Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.

Right, now we got the unpleasant bit out of the way, lets begin anew shall we?

p.s. yes Channler, those were the original rules, but seeing as how everyone seemed to forget them last time, I thought I'd make a little pointed reminder.

[Stargazey]

you would just leave us here. In fact im sure you would do that. 

What those veterans say is "dead on" if you believe in what they are saying and if you don't like war. Those veterans are the kids that got drafted and didn't agree with war. Most of them fought because they had to.

And while I would drag out my own "reports" against what you just said I would want to stick witht he issue in progress. I still have yet to hear the left's view of Mrs. Sheehan. I don't consider doomed a left because he doesn't like goverment at all.

You know what? Im going to give you a few "reports" of my own.

Heres some vets who believe in whats going on, Real vets

Poll
Patriotism: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

Patriotism: A feeling of love and devotion to one's own homeland (patria, the land of one's fathers). This article surveys the concept of patriotism from the viewpoints of history, politics, ethics, and biology.

Patriotism: ­ To show love, support, and sacrifice for one's country.

Patriotism:  The act of being loyal to one’s country, especially in periods of national turmoil, such as war. However, there are many disagreements over what constitutes a patriotic person, exemplified over the burning of the flag.

Patriotism:  A feeling of pride in and respect for one's country.

Nowhere in a dictionary or encyclpedia do I see killing people or shouting curses against your country as an act of patriotism. I don''t even see Thommas Jeffersons quote in there. I wonder why? Maybe because quotes like that are only meant for when america is invaded by another country? Not when you just don't like some guys decisons.

One thing Jona, did you like President Clinton?

And those vets are better because they're VETS4BUSH. Look at that coward Bush's war record. Serving over in Alabama (Because those Southerners get awful dangerous), while John Kerry was serving on a swift boat in the Viet Cong.

You are so daft. You do not know me, or what I think I have commited to my country.

If you have cultivated your life ever since you were eight, learning and grasping the concepts of our Great Yet Flawed Democracy, giving up half of your life so that you can better serve your nation, then will I take any of those statements against me.

Why, if you hate the US so and you think it is so flawed, why do you stay here? Go to Canada or Mexico or something. And if not it must not be to bad.

I don't know you, you're right, but I do know one thing, being in the armed forces is not the only way to be a patriot.

That's the problem with the right wing, if you don't like what's going on, get the hell out. If you have a kid who misbehaves, do you say "Well, if you don't like living here, get out." You fix the kid, you make him better behaved, you make him smarter, you don't kick him out.



I will have to ask you to do one thing, Never say I hate my country.