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Konji
post Aug 13 2005, 12:00 AM
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So what is the situation on forced reloads? We seem to have quotes from the great Rane and the great Stargazey.as wel as many other kind of great people. A thread would be good to clear this up.


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Daikirai
post Aug 16 2005, 06:28 AM
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We'll see who likes and dislikes the Forced Reloads when you decide to begin the main quest as at level eighty. ^_~

Like I said, if not being able to kill 40/1000 NPCs aggrivates you to this extent, why bother playing the game to begin with? You'll be better off with a nice copy of Halo 2. And anyway, killing sprees are a waste of time. Ever notice that when you're done with them, the world around you seems a bit lonely?

If I hadn't made it abundantly clear, I'm very glad that they've implimented forced reloads. A person who says those who ignore the warning deserve what they get are hypocrites. A person who's upset about not being able to kill 20 or so NPCs has the maturity of a ten year old. Thank you, goodnight.
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post Aug 17 2005, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(Daikirai @ Aug 16 2005, 01:28 AM)
We'll see who likes and dislikes the Forced Reloads when you decide to begin the main quest as at level eighty. ^_~

Like I said, if not being able to kill 40/1000 NPCs aggrivates you to this extent, why bother playing the game to begin with? You'll be better off with a nice copy of Halo 2. And anyway, killing sprees are a waste of time. Ever notice that when you're done with them, the world around you seems a bit lonely?

If I hadn't made it abundantly clear, I'm very glad that they've implimented forced reloads. A person who says those who ignore the warning deserve what they get are hypocrites. A person who's upset about not being able to kill 20 or so NPCs has the maturity of a ten year old. Thank you, goodnight.
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Aren't you the dude that almost went crazy over the fall of the empire thing?

Anyways, if you haven't SAVED before you made it to level 80 then you are a fool to begin with... Think about that. You will have a save game prob not more then an hour before that.. So yes if you do kill someone you weren't supposed to and say you do accidently click play on IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME AFFECT...

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You kill some important dude in the MQ and then the message pops up telling you, you have to reload. So you do and go back to your last reload.

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You kill some important dude in the MQ and then the message pops up telling you, you have to reload. You click continue and keep on killing, when you reload you go back to your last save game.

Same exact thing

It doesn't matter either way, but in the last choice at least you get more freedom to do what you want to do...

Do you want Beth to make the game Idiot proof?


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Daikirai
post Aug 17 2005, 05:31 AM
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Aren't you the dude that almost went crazy over the fall of the empire thing?


Your idea of 'crazy' and mine are completely differnent. I come from forums where every other word is four letters long and starts with "f". If not for the fact that Rane had sent me a warning, I'd probably be banned now. But if you're holding that incident against me, then I'm wasting my time here.

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Anyways, if you haven't SAVED before you made it to level 80 then you are a fool to begin with... Think about that. You will have a save game prob not more then an hour before that.. So yes if you do kill someone you weren't supposed to and say you do accidently click play on IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME AFFECT...


If a person saved their character at level fourty, why would they keep that game file at level sixty? It's redundant and unnessasary; no one wants to play as a weak character if a higher character is optional. So no, it wouldn't "STILL HAVE THE SAME AFFECT".

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You kill some important dude in the MQ and then the message pops up telling you, you have to reload. So you do and go back to your last reload.


-and it saves you the trouble of having to make a new character later, at no cost other than not being able to kill 30 or so NPCs. Bravo, Bethesda, bravo!


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You kill some important dude in the MQ and then the message pops up telling you, you have to reload. You click continue and keep on killing, when you reload you go back to your last save game.


This idea is impossible. I'll explain why in a second.

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Do you want Beth to make the game Idiot proof?


Yes, actually, I do. At least, I do if the only trade off is having to reload upon the death of a few NPCs. And, idiot proof is a harsh term. Everyone makes mistakes, myself included, and mistakes are how we learn. Once we've learned, it's not worth having to make an entirely new character to complete the quest. Having to create a new character isn't freedom, which you seem to be obsessed with.

Something you seem to be forgetting though is the fact that the forced reloading isn't there for us; without it, the Radiant AI system would crash. I'm just being optimistic; and I find forced reloading convenient.

On a final note; Mer Girl, about 95% of the freedom offered by TES, you'll never use. I feel that most people simply like it because it's there, despite the fact that it's unused. There's no point in getting your panties in a wad over fourty NPCs.

EDIT: And, you're [/flame]ing me because of my views and optimism? See, this is what I meant by "maturity of a ten year old".

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Konradude   Forced Reload   Aug 13 2005, 12:00 AM
Megil Tel-Zeke   From what I have read, it is infact forced. there...   Aug 13 2005, 12:16 AM
Soulseeker3.0   well I think it stinks, but oh well, what can you ...   Aug 13 2005, 12:18 AM
Aki   Yeah. Morrowind's way of dealing with it was ...   Aug 13 2005, 02:29 AM
Daikirai   Personally, I think forced reloading is a good ide...   Aug 13 2005, 04:35 AM
Aki   Morrowind TOLD you when you killed someone import...   Aug 13 2005, 03:07 PM
Daikirai   Yes, you're right, it did tell you, but that...   Aug 14 2005, 02:56 AM
Aki   I like some degree of immersion and realism. Moun...   Aug 14 2005, 06:00 AM
Dantrag   you should be able to kill whoever you want. may...   Aug 14 2005, 02:17 AM
Channler   Needless to say that was a very wonderful feature ...   Aug 14 2005, 02:12 PM
MerGirl   Hmm... Well, I'm not sure what my stance is on...   Aug 14 2005, 06:22 PM
Red   The thing is though, many NPC files rely on said q...   Aug 14 2005, 07:51 PM
Zelda_Zealot   I think there should be an option to turn it off i...   Aug 15 2005, 04:07 AM
King Death   I liked how MW did it. It was a nice big ol' m...   Aug 16 2005, 02:24 AM
Daikirai   We'll see who likes and dislikes the Forced Re...   Aug 16 2005, 06:28 AM
Soulseeker3.0   well I must say you have a point. Realy the only ...   Aug 16 2005, 04:43 PM
MerGirl   Which is why I say there shouldn't be the fo...   Aug 16 2005, 11:17 PM
Daikirai   Your idea of 'crazy' and mine are comple...   Aug 17 2005, 05:31 AM
Aki   So, 'immaturity' turns me into a hypocrit...   Aug 17 2005, 10:24 PM
Intestinal Chaos   That's exactly my point from before. The hor...   Aug 17 2005, 10:33 PM
Intestinal Chaos   I personally dislike forced reload. It doesn't...   Aug 16 2005, 10:32 PM
Intestinal Chaos   Yes yes, indeed, it's all about rp'ing wha...   Aug 16 2005, 11:22 PM
Konradude   Obviosuly for dakirai. [/flame] Wow, mergirl......   Aug 17 2005, 01:08 AM
Intestinal Chaos   Anybody who is stupid enough to say "I wonder...   Aug 17 2005, 01:27 AM
Channler   Tis why Beth doesnt need to make it idiot proof...   Aug 17 2005, 03:51 AM
Intestinal Chaos   Yes well... scathing self important rants aside yo...   Aug 17 2005, 07:41 PM
Daikirai   Like I said before, the Forced Reloading isn...   Aug 17 2005, 11:30 PM
Soulseeker3.0   no offence but thats why you ar sopposeto have mu...   Aug 17 2005, 11:34 PM
Daikirai   Why are you so opposed to not being able to kill...   Aug 17 2005, 11:40 PM
Aki   I kill main Quest people all the time. They'r...   Aug 18 2005, 12:21 AM
Channler   Omg dude, come on.. Your acting like you don't...   Aug 17 2005, 08:53 PM
Intestinal Chaos   Here here channler, that's exactly why reloa...   Aug 17 2005, 09:31 PM
Soulseeker3.0   oh well give a moder group a few months or somethi...   Aug 17 2005, 11:19 PM
Soulseeker3.0   no I'm not opposed to not killing 20 poeple, t...   Aug 17 2005, 11:57 PM
Daikirai   Ah, yes. A developer (I forget which one exactly, ...   Aug 18 2005, 12:46 AM
Aki   Huh...thats weird. Why the hell would a death of ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:05 AM
Channler   ..Dense? Again, if you don't read the message...   Aug 18 2005, 02:02 AM
Daikirai   Or maybe you chose to ignore it at the time, and 2...   Aug 18 2005, 02:10 AM
Rane   Right, the forced reload is still in. So killing a...   Aug 18 2005, 03:34 PM


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