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Fuzzy Knight
post Sep 25 2005, 02:32 PM
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Hi everyone..

I remember when I first saw the Oblivion screenshots, the first time they came out and I was totally stunned and all this talk about how friggin' good the graphic was. But I have to say that over the months as new games have released their screens that Oblivion's graphic doesn't look so unique as it once was...

I'm not saying its all about the graphic, because Oblivion still have so much other games dont have like the new AI etc. But does anyone agree that maybe when Oblivion comes out in the Holidays of 2005/2006 that the graphic might not be so unique as it once was?

But of course... I dont want to say this for sure yet until I've gotten the game and played it on my new computer when it comes out wink.gif
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post Sep 28 2005, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(Neela @ Sep 28 2005, 02:33 AM)
The most limiting factor here is not what the devs want in the game graphically, but what hardware limitations they have to work in.  My guess is that unless you are sporting the absolute latest video cards (ex: 7800 gtx) you won't be running all the graphics that are in the game as it is and still maintain great frame rates.  Games are limited by hardware that is out there and remember they can't make a game that only runs on the latest video card or they wont have enough sales to make the game worth it.  Rendering a single frame takes time...Games could easily have the graphical quality of movies like shrek if the hardware out there could render that quality of a frame 30-50 times per second... but they can't yet.  Each frame of Shrek took hours to render each and with much more powerful computers than we have sitting on our desks.
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Thats true...

All developers for a game wants to make money selling this game, and of course if you give it the wickedsick graphic so you need to have the best GCard and a handfull of RAM etc. they wont sell much, because that have comed up sometimes in Oblivion General on the TES Forums...

As DoomedOne said I also most agree that I find graphics a very big deal in what I see as new games, but I wouldn't mind at all playing a couple of hours of Quake I. You can see those who play CS 1.6 or something they stick to the game even if the graphic aint that good but because the game-play is great. So of course when making a game its not always that important having great graphics when you have a history such as the TES Series that involves great games with good game-play and good graphic... smile.gif

QUOTE(DoomedOne @ Sep 28 2005, 09:05 AM)
A lot of RPG fans don't think graphics mean much at all.  I find that graphics are a big deal, and the amount of time Bethsoft spent perfecting their graphics engine in conruence with all the other work they did on the game is just right in my opinion.  The graphics don't look great, and many of creatures have fake looking meshes (the troll, the minotaur, the argonian) and many of the streets and wall textures look flatter than they did originally.

I compare graphics and game-play to about the same level of balance in oblivion is what I'm trying to say.  You can say I can't judge it yet because I haven't played it, but i have a pretty perceptive mind, I can tell.
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Well I've never taken a close look on the texture on the walls, but the troll's fur I've taken a look on and the argonian too... Oblivion maybe dont have the perfect fur or the realistic texturing on the walls as other games might when compare them.

I know that the devs could have made Oblivion with better graphics if they didn't want to make money laugh.gif Or have a deadline. Because with such a great game with such advanced AI and engine I think it would look better with that, then maybe great graphics but not the AI but the dummies from MW tongue.gif

I dont know much about UT2007 yet, but the screens look amazing but I doubt it have such a great game-play or AI as Oblivion have, if it would have been somekind of RPG... But I have to say that, I'm very sure I'll get addicted to Oblivion just as I got to WCIII Frozen Throne or Morrowind. And when I first have played a few hours on my new computer I'm pretty sure I'll get blowed away by the graphics and game-play smile.gif

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Fuzzy Knight   Oblivion Graphics   Sep 25 2005, 02:32 PM
ShogunSniper   i was thinking this exact thing. I bet 2 years be...   Sep 25 2005, 02:42 PM
Ambberfox   The Oblivion-Graphics are still pretty spectacular...   Sep 25 2005, 07:18 PM
ShogunSniper   the point i was trying to make is that the larger...   Sep 26 2005, 08:21 PM
Infiltrator   I still think the graphics will be superior to mos...   Sep 25 2005, 03:02 PM
Argo   i think oblivion graphics are superb, and still wi...   Sep 25 2005, 03:12 PM
raistlin   I think the graphics are great,but graphics arent ...   Sep 26 2005, 08:11 PM
Argo   sorry, but this is just not true.   Sep 27 2005, 09:16 AM
ShogunSniper   why not? the devs themselves have said that they...   Sep 27 2005, 12:01 PM
Fuzzy Knight   Hmm... Well, the Oblivion Graphic aint bad - I th...   Sep 27 2005, 01:50 PM
HardCode   The difference is that the "devs" and ...   Sep 27 2005, 06:10 PM
Argo   see, the first thing that was probably finished wa...   Sep 27 2005, 03:44 PM
Ryuku Walker   I don't mind Obbie having "worse" gr...   Sep 27 2005, 04:22 PM
raistlin   I COMPLETELY AGREE.   Sep 28 2005, 12:13 AM
Neela   The most limiting factor here is not what the devs...   Sep 28 2005, 01:33 AM
raistlin   Well said neela.   Sep 28 2005, 01:58 AM
Argo   this is from the forum rules, and you have it vi...   Sep 28 2005, 07:32 AM
DoomedOne   A lot of RPG fans don't think graphics mean mu...   Sep 28 2005, 08:05 AM
Argo   im not sure what you mean by that, especially th...   Sep 28 2005, 08:15 AM
Intestinal Chaos   Wow, we've got some long winded posters on thi...   Sep 28 2005, 04:12 PM
ShogunSniper   graphics are not especially important to me..... ...   Sep 28 2005, 09:55 PM
Intestinal Chaos   I don't have much care for the graphics as lon...   Sep 29 2005, 04:21 PM
Argo   please guys dont forget this important fact: obliv...   Sep 29 2005, 09:05 PM
ShogunSniper   an extremely good point now that i think about it...   Sep 29 2005, 09:08 PM
MerGirl   I think the graphics in Oblivion are great, consid...   Oct 2 2005, 07:18 PM
King Death   It's all done with sliders, so you can make ...   Oct 3 2005, 04:21 PM
the-anti-neravarine   choose the eye colours(I think thats only for the...   Oct 3 2005, 04:31 PM
Argo   Fur has always been a problem, now more than, lets...   Oct 3 2005, 08:05 AM
Fuzzy Knight   Fur as you said have always been a problem, when I...   Oct 3 2005, 02:08 PM
Argo   as far as i know theres only one game so far wit...   Oct 3 2005, 02:30 PM
MerGirl   I'm not expecting ulta-realistic fur, because...   Oct 3 2005, 08:41 PM


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