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DoomedOne
post Sep 8 2005, 12:37 AM
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So a tiny thing brought up in the main forums are the ideas of moral values.

In The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson the main character chooses not to accept this dream world as reality and therefore finds it okay to rape a young girl.

In the main forum this topic was slashed and flamed in all three threads it made an appearance because people did not understand the idea. It's simple, if you accept a world as fake, whether you realize you're dreaming, or you're in a video game, do the moral laws you would usually uphold yourself to still stand? Would you suddenly find it okay to exercise the most evil, atrocious side of your personality and find it pleasurable, to your character, at least, to murder and mutilate?

This question has a bigger purpose, but first I'd like some people's opinions on where they stand when it comes to morality and video games. If they created a video game where the suffering of your victims looked parallel to if you were performing the act in real life, would you still be able to go through with it?

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Kindred Spirit
post Oct 12 2005, 05:46 AM
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I roleplay in every game I play that it is really possible to roleplay in. I completely create my own character, much the way an author of a book does. This character seems to take on it's own life, and often, I will do something, purely for roleplaying, that I wouldn't have chosen to do. I think this is relevant to your question because it depends, who am I being in the videogame? Most of my characters end up being gallant fighters or kind hearted in some way or another. Thus, they would never do anything like that. However, some of my characters are more evil, and would do evil deeds, even when I, myself, would rather not, unless there is a reason not to, as long as there were no impercussions for anyone, then I would have my character do evil deeds.
I wouldn't kill anyone in real life though. I can't think of anybody that I would kill, even if I was given a gun, them chained to a wall, and amnesty for the murder. I simply don't find enjoyment in causing people pain. Now, certain videogames, for example, Halo 2, make you kill people. Those people are unrealistic, and there is no way they could be even closeto real, so I don't care about them.
I used to think like this: Violent videogames are not the cause of violence, they are an outlet for violence. Something that occurred recently in my life has slightly changed my mind.
My little brother is about 11 and a half years old. He plays the most violent games he can find, and he enjoys for example, Mortal Kombat 5 and 6 with the blood turned to maximum. He likes Legacy of Kain:Blood Omen 2. He likes anything disturbingly violent and bloody, inclding any horror movie he has ever seen. I finally talked him into discussing why he doesn't like George Bush, (neither do I, but I have a reason) since his usual response is, "I'm not gonna tell you, jerk." Well, he answered, "He started the war with Afganistan and Iraq over the terrorism. Why didn''t he just bomb them all?" I was horrified. I don't know if he likes bloody things because of his bloodthirstyness, of if the bloody things cause his bloodthirstyness. Either way, it has at least subtly affected my views on videogames.
I really can't answer this question properly, since I don't know what my answer is. While we should try to uphold out morals whenever possible, what if we are roleplaying a character with different morals, or playing a FPS like Halo? There is no clean cut answer.

Btw, I brought up a similar topic in Oblvion General a few months ago. Mine was about the moral implications of "killing" the new RAI. A random picture prize to whoever can tell what the reaction is. laugh.gif


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DoomedOne   The Unbeliever   Sep 8 2005, 12:37 AM
Soulseeker3.0   I don't know, Of coure in real life, right now...   Sep 8 2005, 12:45 AM
ShogunSniper   The reason I play videogames is to do things that ...   Sep 8 2005, 01:18 AM
DoomedOne   No one else has an opinion?   Sep 8 2005, 03:39 AM
Intestinal Chaos   I find this topic very interesting. I have ponderd...   Sep 8 2005, 03:41 AM
Dantrag   there's a balance in this somewhere. Ex. I d...   Sep 8 2005, 03:52 AM
Intestinal Chaos   Exactly my thoughts.   Sep 8 2005, 04:02 AM
Zelda_Zealot   Unless my life (Or the life of someone I care abou...   Sep 8 2005, 04:06 AM
Intestinal Chaos   It all really depends on which game and what cha...   Sep 8 2005, 04:10 AM
Chumbaniya   I don't think that morality applies when playi...   Sep 8 2005, 12:11 PM
ED 209   A game is a game is a game. No matter how realisti...   Sep 8 2005, 06:58 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   ah morality issues, such fun complicated and shady...   Sep 8 2005, 07:51 PM
DoomedOne   In the book that I mentioned, a man chose to accep...   Sep 9 2005, 01:55 AM
Soulseeker3.0   ouch or Ah is what I would normally say in that p...   Sep 9 2005, 02:20 AM
Redvsbluefan0   This is somewhat the same question to ask if that ...   Sep 9 2005, 07:48 AM
Daikirai   If my actions had no real consiquence, I can imagi...   Sep 10 2005, 12:59 AM
DoomedOne   I read it, and the other thread I read included th...   Oct 12 2005, 06:12 AM
Neela   I just wanted to add some perspective to the whole...   Oct 12 2005, 11:41 AM
Aki   If a game was that real, I'd probablly be as I...   Oct 13 2005, 12:07 AM
DoomedOne   Neela no one is trying to make the claim that Viol...   Oct 13 2005, 01:38 AM
Kindred Spirit   Neela- I may be a kid, but I've played pong to...   Oct 13 2005, 03:43 AM
Neela   I do want to apologize DoomedOne.. I did get a ...   Oct 13 2005, 05:24 AM
DoomedOne   No it's okay, it has been touched, and you did...   Oct 13 2005, 05:58 AM
Kindred Spirit   INFP? INTJ? I take it these are personality types?...   Oct 13 2005, 06:31 AM
DoomedOne   You dug up my old posts? Uh oh. (Knows what it...   Oct 14 2005, 01:42 AM
Kindred Spirit   Nah. I was looking on some of the topics, seeing ...   Oct 14 2005, 02:50 AM
DoomedOne   <-----------------king of typoes.   Oct 14 2005, 03:19 AM
Kindred Spirit   Ah, I see. Well, that's better than those peop...   Oct 14 2005, 03:30 AM


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