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DoomedOne
post Sep 8 2005, 12:37 AM
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So a tiny thing brought up in the main forums are the ideas of moral values.

In The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson the main character chooses not to accept this dream world as reality and therefore finds it okay to rape a young girl.

In the main forum this topic was slashed and flamed in all three threads it made an appearance because people did not understand the idea. It's simple, if you accept a world as fake, whether you realize you're dreaming, or you're in a video game, do the moral laws you would usually uphold yourself to still stand? Would you suddenly find it okay to exercise the most evil, atrocious side of your personality and find it pleasurable, to your character, at least, to murder and mutilate?

This question has a bigger purpose, but first I'd like some people's opinions on where they stand when it comes to morality and video games. If they created a video game where the suffering of your victims looked parallel to if you were performing the act in real life, would you still be able to go through with it?

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post Oct 14 2005, 02:50 AM
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QUOTE(DoomedOne @ Oct 13 2005, 09:42 PM)
You dug up my old posts?  Uh oh.  (Knows what it's like to run for an office.)

Nah. I was looking on some of the topics, seeing if there was any discussions I had anything meaningful to say on, and I happened across them. I didn't actually dig them up, erosion brought them to me. happy.gif
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By the way, I definitely think you're an INFP (yes it's a myers-briggs personality type) because A. You have distinct principles; B. You probably consider yourself a hero of your own story in a way, like you actions hold to a greater purpose; C. You're good at translating, not languages but forms of expression.  If someone says something extremely echnical INFPs are good at interpreting it in a way other people can understand.  I do that, too.  I wrote an essay about Vash's unsaid words, in the perspective of being a logical thinker actually able to explain ethics in Vash's position.

A. Yes, I suppose I do.
B. I wouldn't have thought of that, but I suppose, on reflection, your right.
C. Hmmm.... Yeah, I do seem to be able to understand people pretty well. (Translating their form of thought into one I can understand)
And I have a question. By "echnical" did you mean ethical?
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Now see, I always consider my characters so of as just people.  Even if I want to them to do horrible acts, I always create some justification for them I can relate to.  I never start off with the act and then follow up with the justification either.  I actually try to procees the thoughts through my character's head and think of what he'd do.
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Yeah, that sounds like how I write. I tried to write a novel on several occasions, but I always ran into problems. First of all, I ended up skipping ahead too fast. I was 10 years ahead beore I finished the first page. That was a few years ago. More recently, I tried writing a novel on my computer, and my computer would always catch a virus or have a windows error or delete my work in some other way. My computer works well, but inconsistantly.

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DoomedOne   The Unbeliever   Sep 8 2005, 12:37 AM
Soulseeker3.0   I don't know, Of coure in real life, right now...   Sep 8 2005, 12:45 AM
ShogunSniper   The reason I play videogames is to do things that ...   Sep 8 2005, 01:18 AM
DoomedOne   No one else has an opinion?   Sep 8 2005, 03:39 AM
Intestinal Chaos   I find this topic very interesting. I have ponderd...   Sep 8 2005, 03:41 AM
Dantrag   there's a balance in this somewhere. Ex. I d...   Sep 8 2005, 03:52 AM
Intestinal Chaos   Exactly my thoughts.   Sep 8 2005, 04:02 AM
Zelda_Zealot   Unless my life (Or the life of someone I care abou...   Sep 8 2005, 04:06 AM
Intestinal Chaos   It all really depends on which game and what cha...   Sep 8 2005, 04:10 AM
Chumbaniya   I don't think that morality applies when playi...   Sep 8 2005, 12:11 PM
ED 209   A game is a game is a game. No matter how realisti...   Sep 8 2005, 06:58 PM
Megil Tel-Zeke   ah morality issues, such fun complicated and shady...   Sep 8 2005, 07:51 PM
DoomedOne   In the book that I mentioned, a man chose to accep...   Sep 9 2005, 01:55 AM
Soulseeker3.0   ouch or Ah is what I would normally say in that p...   Sep 9 2005, 02:20 AM
Redvsbluefan0   This is somewhat the same question to ask if that ...   Sep 9 2005, 07:48 AM
Daikirai   If my actions had no real consiquence, I can imagi...   Sep 10 2005, 12:59 AM
Kindred Spirit   I roleplay in every game I play that it is really ...   Oct 12 2005, 05:46 AM
DoomedOne   I read it, and the other thread I read included th...   Oct 12 2005, 06:12 AM
Neela   I just wanted to add some perspective to the whole...   Oct 12 2005, 11:41 AM
Aki   If a game was that real, I'd probablly be as I...   Oct 13 2005, 12:07 AM
DoomedOne   Neela no one is trying to make the claim that Viol...   Oct 13 2005, 01:38 AM
Kindred Spirit   Neela- I may be a kid, but I've played pong to...   Oct 13 2005, 03:43 AM
Neela   I do want to apologize DoomedOne.. I did get a ...   Oct 13 2005, 05:24 AM
DoomedOne   No it's okay, it has been touched, and you did...   Oct 13 2005, 05:58 AM
Kindred Spirit   INFP? INTJ? I take it these are personality types?...   Oct 13 2005, 06:31 AM
DoomedOne   You dug up my old posts? Uh oh. (Knows what it...   Oct 14 2005, 01:42 AM
DoomedOne   <-----------------king of typoes.   Oct 14 2005, 03:19 AM
Kindred Spirit   Ah, I see. Well, that's better than those peop...   Oct 14 2005, 03:30 AM


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