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post Jan 4 2006, 11:20 PM
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Jan 10 2006, 07:38 AM)
¿Tengo una pregunta para kindred? (i have a question for kindred) If you're so against the country, why not move to canada? If your family is the same way and all, or if they aren't just ignore politics till you're eighteen and move there.  There's no use grumbling about how bad it is here.  It's just a suggestion
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I'm too young. I'm not so against the country, it just came off that way. I'll try to re-clarify. As for ignoring politics untill I can move, well, that would mean forcing ignorance upon myself, which is something I try not to do(not sure how well it's working smile.gif). You're right, though, grumbling does no (or little) good unless it becomes outright protest, which it won't, and even protest doesn't always (or often) help out as much as it's meant to.

Now, for a re-clarification. smile.gif

Upon re-reading my post, I can see where you're coming from. I was being whiny.

First off, I do love this country, and the ideals that it stands for. This country has done some wonderful things. I excersice my freedom of speach quite often, especially for the purposes of satire, and I do not enjoy having it taken away by anyone, for any reason, even if it is only to force me to say something I may have said anyways.

Next, like I said, I do not and never will pledge my allegiance falsely, unless it is for the purposes of satire. If a pledge is meant to be taken seriously, then I will take it (or not take it) just as seriously. The Pledge of Allegiance is meant to be taken seriously, and implies a serious loyalty to the nation. Untill I absolutely approve of everything the nation does, I will not be able to honestly claim absolute loyalty seriously. I am against certain things that the government (currently the Bush administration, but I'd probably find things to dislike no matter who was the president) has done. For an example, I'm pro-choice, in favor of women being able to get abortions. There are other things as well, but I'm typing this before school, so I'm on a deadline here. smile.gif

Finally, as for my anti-establishment PoA, well, it was intended as a joke whenI thought of it, and I still use it only for a joke. It isn't intended to be used seriously.

But I believe it was put best by Channler when he said:
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I just don't think its a battle that deserves that much effort.



It doesn't deserve a lot of effort. I'm not going to say the pledge untill I can say it and mean it. I'm serious about promising my loyalty and allegiance. But I'm not going to try to reform the government over something small like this.


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minque   ~the Little Coffee-shop~   Jan 4 2006, 11:20 PM
Neela   hmmmm... I love choc. chip ice cream! As far ...   Jan 5 2006, 03:57 AM
Tellie   Trust me Danny, when you get into full time work, ...   Jan 5 2006, 10:40 AM
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Fuzzy Knight   Talking about school aye? :blink: Well it's th...   Jan 5 2006, 06:40 PM
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