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[Wolfie]

The Rues as stated in the last thread:

Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.

Other than that, enjoy your discussion

[DoomedOne]

Actually, my reasearch has shown quite the contrary.

There are still people all over the world that live exactly as they did before humans settled down, and they don't exist that way at all. Sure, genetically inept children (mutated ones) don't survive, but as is the rule of evolution, and mutations are only born in countries where the government horrendously pollutes the water supply, and even then are rare.

The people live as communists, purely and simply. They own nothing, though every member will have a spear or something, no one goes around trying to horde and sell spears, because their survival depends on all members being equal. Though anthropologists call them communinalists, the only difference between that and communism is after Engels and Marx, writers decided to include some idea of a dictator of a proletariat, which was a stupid idea, and all communist states are trapped in these dictatorships that have no concern of fulfulling their promise when they took office. (that was actually why the communist government in Hungary was overthrown by OTHER communists).

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: Jan 12 2006, 04:48 AM

[Marxist ßastard]

  DoomedOne

Actually, my reasearch has shown quite the contrary...  No one goes around trying to horde and sell spears, because their survival depends on all members being equal.

I hope you'll forgive me for going for the obvious metaphor, and note that lacking any well-documented examples of the hoarding of actual spears in developed western capitalist states, I am forced to remind you that in the Civil War, certain ruin would await industrialists -- and especially the industrialist sons of a wealthy banking family -- should the Confederacy win. AFAIK, neither side showed any particular reluctance to use tactics involving the civilian population of the other side, either, posing a more immediate threat should be equality of the battlefield be threatened.

Take one John Pierpont Morgan, a wealthy Northern industrialist born into one such wealthy banking family, the house of Morgan. What did this J. P. Morgan do when his life was on the line? Why, he triumphantly marched into a Union arsenal, and broke a deal with the quartermaster to give him five thousand rifles awaiting repair, for $3.50 each. He then marched out to a general on the field, and sold him the broken rifles for $22 each, barring any inspection. One can assume that the reason this episode is detailed in the annals of some obscure congressional report, and not listed as but one of the charges in a treason hearing against this man, is because most of the witnesses -- those soldiers who you believe this man would work so dearly to protect, because their condition would ultimately determine whether he should live or die -- either fell that day at the hands of enemy fire, or succumbed to grievous wounds caused by the malfunctioning rifles.

One can obviously see here that some disease worked its way into the western mentality, and because of it we are less susceptible today to things like necessity, preferring the security and luxury of the more abstract concept of wealth.