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[Wolfie]

The Rues as stated in the last thread:

Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.

Other than that, enjoy your discussion

[DoomedOne]

That's not the point of a socialist society. Socialism is not "equality... or else" you can succeed or fail by your own merits, socialism is just that the community means more than the individual, and that is an ideology humans evolved to be apart of, only later on down our social evolution did we lose touch with this, but it is still very much a part of us.

Why is it also, that I see that its social programs that are saving everybody from economic disaster? Because Capitalism is all about working toward oneself, and they tried to design a society where working toward oneself also benefited everybody else, but it didn't work. Sure, there's a market, and people have to sell to that market, but they're not selling anything of value, they're selling what humans who don't know the consequences of their actions are buying. They're selling for the bottom line. Do you think they'll all decide we need healthier fuels when we begin running out of oil? They'll go for the next cheapest, nuclear power plants and stuff like that, despite how horribly it destroys the environment, causes cancer and mutations which will bring about a whole string of new genetic diseases.

And about DDT, you couldn't have given me a better example, I've read quite a bit about DDT. The effects on humans were not taken accordingly. Yeah sure it effected a very rare individual in a large group... immediatly, but DDT is a DNA altering substance, meaning it could cause cancer and bear the people effected with mutated offspring. Cancer is not something you get every day, and people are still suddenly getting cancer from being exposed to DDT decades ago.

Not only that, but DDT is a poison. Humans are a part of the cycle of life, we are a part of the food chain, we are a part of the ecosystem even if we try to ignore it, we're a piece of the puzzle, even if we try to cover it up in cement, all we're doing is digging our own graves. When DDT is released it doesn't just kill mosquitos, it kills everything. Bird populations have plummeted wherever DDT was released because it makes them sick, so they bear weak, easily broken eggs, and generations were ended. Amphibias populations were steamrolled because amphibians are our canary when it comes to air pollution. That's a warning sign maybe we should stop poisoning living things, because life is a circle, so when we poison any living thing, in the end we are poisoning ourselves.

That is what I mean by community minded individuals, not disconnected from their actions, not disconnected from the consequences of their actions. If humans cannot learn to realize the consequences of their actions, as they only can through socialism or something like it, then we will drive ourselves to destruction.

[Marxist ßastard]

They'll go for the next cheapest, nuclear power plants and stuff like that, despite how horribly it destroys the environment, causes cancer and mutations which will bring about a whole string of new genetic diseases.

As an aside, thanks for giving me my big, hearty laugh for the week.

I'll be back when you say that every nuclear reaction brings us just one step closer to igniting the atmosphere.