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Neela
post Jan 29 2006, 02:20 AM
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Well the main forums were all ablaze tonight over object shadows apparently are not included. For my part I think the game looks great. I played Morrowind for years before I even realized that I had the shadow option turned off. Most games that have shadows I usually turn off the option anyway.

I think shadows do add to what I call "atmosphere" games, like Thief games. Characters cast nice soft shadows.. that is enough for me. For every object to cast a shadow would have been really tough for any GPU to handle in real time. This I know from the rendered pictures I create what a big difference in processing time for pictures with shadows vs. without.

After reading many of the threads in the main forums, I guess I never really even expected object shadows in the first place. Which is why I don't feel too upset with this news.

Can anyone tell me why this is such a big deal for alot of people? Or is it simply that we are to that point where anything and everything we hear about Oblivion will sound negative compared to our hype and expectation for it?
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post Jan 30 2006, 08:41 PM
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Just you wait, it's going to be exactly like the offical Bungie forums. People will make long winded speeches about how Bethesda betrayed them and why we should boycott them and then within days, it'll become a flame battlefield.

I remember when I could sit on the forums reading on topics for hours and not realize the time had passed. Now its full of whiny trolls who talk about nothing the whole time. sad.gif It is sad the devs have to read some of that stuff too.

I'm in agreement with you all - losing shadows on every object is not a big deal for me. I really do not notice shadows in real life anyway, much less a game, so the "losing immersion" has no factor for me. What is more important is what they left in - the shadows for the characters and the tree canopy.

Imagine standing in a dark corridor. Up ahead the hall turns and is illuminated by a torch. As you approach the turn, you see a shadow streaking across the wall in front of you - a creature in ambush just around the corner. This is far more important as a part of the game, than whether or not a shadow is present when you throw a ribcage around a dungeon.

Tree canopy shadows are important as well. It gives the forest a truly dark feel, as well as providing lighting effects like the light beaming down through a break in the leaves in this screenshot -> http://media.pc.ign.com/media/702/702491/img_2786411.html

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Neela   Object Shadows - Not Included   Jan 29 2006, 02:20 AM
Storander   Frankly... I have no idea what everyone is upset a...   Jan 29 2006, 02:44 AM
gamer10   Same here Storander. My computer would die on me ...   Jan 29 2006, 02:53 AM
Soulseeker3.0   Shadows aren't a top priority on my list... ok...   Jan 29 2006, 02:55 AM
Intestinal Chaos   I swear, most everyone on the main forums are so w...   Jan 29 2006, 08:46 AM
Scarp   Very true. All shadows do for me is slow my game...   Jan 29 2006, 12:28 PM
Soulseeker3.0   ha ha ha yes, I quess thats a reason i don't ...   Jan 29 2006, 05:48 PM
Red   Just you wait, it's going to be exactly like...   Jan 30 2006, 04:53 AM
Soulseeker3.0   Ah the flame wars, i've heard of it, it was t...   Jan 30 2006, 10:44 PM
minque   Welcome to w4o Scarp! Shadows? Oh dear I did ...   Jan 29 2006, 03:37 PM
Darkwing   To be honest, atmospheric shadows are applied usin...   Jan 29 2006, 04:00 PM
Dreadlord7   I have never been to concerned with shadows for an...   Jan 29 2006, 09:56 PM
Scarp   I think I'm thinking of the same sort of shado...   Jan 29 2006, 04:30 PM
Proweler   I assume that it's this just the XBoX version....   Jan 29 2006, 10:56 PM
Neela   We probably won't know that until release. ...   Jan 29 2006, 11:28 PM
Dreadlord7   Quote from Hayt: 1. Why does everyone automatic...   Jan 30 2006, 01:34 AM
Curly_G_   PC and Xbox360 versions are identical except edi...   Jan 31 2006, 03:12 PM
Kiln   I'm not sure but I would assume that they aren...   Jan 29 2006, 11:03 PM
Dreadlord7   Not all Shadows. :) Anyway, Gavin "kath...   Jan 30 2006, 01:23 AM
Dreadlord7   Comments from Steve "MrSmileyFaceDude" M...   Jan 30 2006, 01:32 AM
Proweler   Even Hayt knows that everybody thinks the xbox is ...   Jan 30 2006, 02:18 AM
Soulseeker3.0   I was looking at one of the shadow threads and rea...   Jan 30 2006, 02:57 AM
Proweler   Fair point, they did make sure to keep the importa...   Jan 30 2006, 08:50 PM
Red   Oops. I meant to say How Bungie betrayed them, but...   Jan 30 2006, 11:43 PM
Nelis   I dont care about the shadows either its the first...   Jan 31 2006, 01:57 PM
Olin   Wow, first post. Usually i lurk, and just read wha...   Feb 4 2006, 06:51 AM
Soulseeker3.0   I find I do that often... unintentionally though...   Feb 4 2006, 06:24 PM
Scarp   I think all of us can. :lol:   Feb 14 2006, 07:28 PM
Curly_G_   You're not alone. :P   Feb 4 2006, 12:59 PM
Bofra   I think Oblivion looks beautiful so why bother, If...   Feb 13 2006, 07:30 PM
Pisces   When I look at the screenshot of the set table whi...   Feb 14 2006, 09:38 AM
Sir Radont   All you really have to do is look at how bland F.E...   Feb 25 2006, 11:21 AM
ThePerson98   As long as there is good lighting, shadows arent a...   Feb 25 2006, 05:32 PM
jchamber   HERE, HERE!! except that my comp can ju...   Feb 26 2006, 07:34 AM


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