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post Jan 11 2006, 08:06 PM
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The Rues as stated in the last thread:
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Right, a few rules before we start this time. No flaming. No intolerance of anybody else's viewpoint. No deciding you don't like the topic, and trying to tell people what they can discuss. This goes for everybody from now on.
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Channler
post Jan 28 2006, 12:32 AM
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Frankly I don't care if any nation has a army for just defense, however, your right in that aspect that Israel has a military of that size to.. Wow? their enemies. However, you fight some of these islamic nations that truly believe that blowing theirselves up into tiny chunks will grant them a way into heaven, and you realize that an army of that size doesn't really faze them.

Heh, look at the US, the best (I had to say it, too true biggrin.gif) military in the world, and we have problems from... 2,000+ "freedom fighters" in Iraq alone.

We are fighting a 4 Generation War. The terrorists are fighting a second or third generation war.

4 G war = Late Cold war to present. Confrontational armies, limited war. Ex. Soviet Union vs United States.

3 G War = Vietnam/Korea(Sorta). Vietcong, Guerillas (SP?)

2 G war = Bombing the compassion out of each other. Total War. Trenches, both World Wars

1 G war = Stand in a line and get shot... Civil War, Revo War, Napoleonic Wars etc etc

The terrorists are fighting a 3 g war. And they are very successful. We are fighting a 4 g war. And we whiped Saddams armies the hamster out.

..but.. Ho Chi Minh knew that eventually the US would turn against itself in the Vietnam war, he counted on it, and the gamble won. Saddam tried the idea out, and he lost.. Osama is currently quite knowledgeable of that fact and he knows, as it is showng now, that the US pop, once all up in arms is now but a sleeping lion. As long as he does nothing major, he can slip by, and the lion will sleep, but if he tries to attack the lion. It is all over.

He will wait till he escapes the lion, and then, when the lion (US) least expects it, will strike again.


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post Feb 2 2006, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE(Channler @ Jan 27 2006, 11:32 PM)
Frankly I don't care if any nation has a army for just defense, however, your right in that aspect that Israel has a military of that size to.. Wow? their enemies. However, you fight some of these islamic nations that truly believe that blowing theirselves up into tiny chunks will grant them a way into heaven, and you realize that an army of that size doesn't really faze them.

Heh, look at the US, the best (I had to say it, too true biggrin.gif) military in the world, and we have problems from... 2,000+ "freedom fighters" in Iraq alone.

We are fighting a 4 Generation War. The terrorists are fighting a second or third generation war.

4 G war = Late Cold war to present. Confrontational armies, limited war. Ex. Soviet Union vs United States.

3 G War = Vietnam/Korea(Sorta). Vietcong, Guerillas (SP?)

2 G war = Bombing the compassion out of each other. Total War. Trenches, both World Wars

1 G war = Stand in a line and get shot... Civil War, Revo War, Napoleonic Wars etc etc

The terrorists are fighting a 3 g war. And they are very successful. We are fighting a 4 g war. And we whiped Saddams armies the hamster out.

..but.. Ho Chi Minh knew that eventually the US would turn against itself in the Vietnam war, he counted on it, and the gamble won. Saddam tried the idea out, and he lost.. Osama is currently quite knowledgeable of that fact and he knows, as it is showng now, that the US pop, once all up in arms is now but a sleeping lion. As long as he does nothing major, he can slip by, and the lion will sleep, but if he tries to attack the lion. It is all over.

He will wait till he escapes the lion, and then, when the lion (US) least expects it, will strike again.
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I agree with you completely. The problem with Osama is that people think he's the head of some word wide terrorist organization, when he isn't. Terrorists aren't organized and most hate eachother (Some reports say Saddam wished for the Death of Osama), but the war breeds more hate and terrorists and makes terrorists start to be able to stand eachother. George Bush makes it seem like every single terrorist is connected, but even the main criminals involved with the WTC bombings were from different countries. There is no long term end to terrorism and peace is now, thanks to war, impossible. Terrorist attacks may stop for a few days, maybe a week in the future, but fear is only a small sedative that leads to hate, and hate is the steroid that rekindles past conflict.


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