Is using poser really making art? Options

[Hexis]

Poser is a 3d modeling program... people make stuff on it and call it their "art."
Is it really art to take a 3D model and make it do stuff, then adding lots of other little things in the picture?
One might say that this isn't true art, but others say this is simply an art form.
I think that the "art" in 3D modeling is yourself and your ablitiy to think of a scene and create it anyway possible, even with poser.
Your thoughts and opiouns concerning 3D art?

[Konji]

I'd say definately.

It takes forever to pose things. Much longer and harder than putting a pen cil to paper and drawing something considered as 'art'.

[Geonox]

I'd say definately.

It takes forever to pose things. Much longer and harder than putting a pen cil to paper and drawing something considered as 'art'.

I'm not sure I mean...drawing characters is a lot harder than poser. I mean, it takes a lot of experiance with muscle structures and it's not that easy as poser. Poser does most of the job for you, like it creates a standard figure which you can pose, wile when you would draw a character you would be forced to create the figure yourself, add shadows all by yourself without something calculating the shadows for you. It's not the same, having experiance with poser and drawing a lot I say drawing is a lot harder than poser.

not referring to your post ^^ -> It's harder as it seems but it's how hard you make it yourself. Some want to use custom stuff others use premade stuff. I prefer custom stuff, because you can call the artwork yours. I'm a lot more proud on an artwork which I have done 100% by myself than an artwork which I've done with someone elses work. I actually never use stuff made by others except a poser figure. Simply because it takes to much time for me to model my own figure.

But in a way you can concider it as art because even if you are using premade stuff which makes things a lot easier it's still hard to make a nice render, like photography. However you can't realy compare photography with poser because it's just isn't the same. All traditional arts are a lot harder than digital stuff. I mean everybody can learn how to make a cool render but not everybody can learn how to paint like da vinci.

It's what you do with the software, like if you just put a character in a scene, give it a premade pose with premade clothing hair and textures, use some premade lightning and camera angle it's not art. It's called using other people's stuff. THe thing which bugs me about poser is that it makes some people look like they are great digital artists wile in fact the model and textures were done by someone else. That's why I don't use it anymore because I never realy felt the artworks were mine.

This post has been edited by Geonox: May 8 2006, 09:11 PM

[MerGirl]

I'm not sure I mean...drawing characters is a lot harder than poser.
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It's what you do with the software, like if you just put a character in a scene, give it a premade pose with premade clothing hair and textures, use some premade lightning and camera angle it's not art. It's called using other people's stuff. THe thing which bugs me about poser is that it makes some people look like they are great digital artists wile in fact the model and textures were done by someone else. That's why I don't use it anymore because I never realy felt the artworks were mine. 

I agree with you, 100%.

Neela, I hope I did not offend you about the whole Poser thing. I did not say it is not art! I just said, it is not really 100% 'your art', unless you did the models and textures yourself. What I mean is, if someone wants a job on modeling and texturing characters (digital character modeler for animation/gaming, etc), he/she will have to learn to model his/her own characters sooner or later... Otherwise, when you go to do the job.. you have no clue how to model your own character from scratch.

For drawing and Poser, Poser is not entirely hard, but it can be very difficult. Same goes for drawing (though it can get really, really, really difficult). If you are making your own model from scratch, it is like drawing your own character from scratch: both take long hours/days to do. It's not just 'making a line'.. It's making shadows, muscles correctly, porportions, etc. (I am not an expert myself on drawing, so I don't know how to do those stuff very well). For modeling 3D characters, you have to make it without it looking, er, creased or messy or taking up too much memory on the computer, then putting shadows and textures, etc.

Both methods can be used to make art. (Poser is also art, because you are positioning, putting lights, etc. to make a nice scene.) It just depends on which one you prefer. :shrugs: (What bugs me though, is when people brag about their '3d' skills, when they don't even model their own characters. Animating, which is good, or posing, yes, but modeling? No.).

This post has been edited by MerGirl: May 10 2006, 07:51 PM