Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[DoomedOne]

There's the source of the very problem, channler, we are all fighting different enemies. My enemy is any human that takes advantage of another human, of an injustice. As Che said, anyone who trembles indignation at every injustice is a brother of mine. Your enemy is anyone who opposes the United Staes, or at least that is nationalism. With us or against us is nationalism. Patriotism has very little difference the way it's treated by Americans today. I find nationalism, masked as patriotism, a plague in the US. It's why flag waving gets me as wryled up as flag burning to you, because to me the people who are waving the flaga re standing against the very principles the flag was founded on, distorting it for their own gains.

So yes, to be honest it is my plan eventually to come to a jihadist the same way I would any other human being. If they have a holy war against me, they are fighting the wrong enemy the same way the United States army is. I don't believe world peace is possible, but I believe t's something that should be sought anyway.

[Channler]

There's the source of the very problem, channler, we are all fighting different enemies.  My enemy is any human that takes advantage of another human, of an injustice.  As Che said, anyone who trembles indignation at every injustice is a brother of mine.  Your enemy is anyone who opposes the United Staes, or at least that is nationalism.  With us or against us is nationalism.  Patriotism has very little difference the way it's treated by Americans today.  I find nationalism, masked as patriotism, a plague in the US.  It's why flag waving gets me as wryled up as flag burning to you, because to me the people who are waving the flaga re standing against the very principles the flag was founded on, distorting it for their own gains.

So yes, to be honest it is my plan eventually to come to a jihadist the same way I would any other human being.  If they have a holy war against me, they are fighting the wrong enemy the same way the United States army is.  I don't believe world peace is possible, but I believe t's something that should be sought anyway.

Of course we are fighting different enemies. Why did the Popes call for crusades into the Holy Land? Largely to try to quell the fighting that had been plauging Europe. To have a common enemy has only been in practice for so long.

Call me incredibly short sighted, or impervious to what the future might bring, but I have no faith that there will ever be peace, nor the end of nationalism, or anything along their lines.

Why? Someone already related to it earlier. Man is made to fight, its ingrained in our head, our bodies. As sad as that may be... I'll continue later.

[DoomedOne]

Of course we are fighting different enemies. Why did the Popes call for crusades into the Holy Land? Largely to try to quell the fighting that had been plauging Europe. To have a common enemy has only been in practice for so long.

Call me incredibly short sighted, or impervious to what the future might bring, but I have no faith that there will ever be peace, nor the end of nationalism, or anything along their lines.

Why? Someone already related to it earlier. Man is made to fight, its ingrained in our head, our bodies. As sad as that may be... I'll continue later.

Again I state world peace isn't possible, but it should be sought after. I'm not saying man is meant to fight, because men all over the world exist without violence. Fighting is a cultural thing. Hunting a survival thing, but nothing about man requires him to fight. Human beings are forced into war becase of the society they live in, where borders alienate people from each other.