Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[Neela]

Why? Someone already related to it earlier. Man is made to fight, its ingrained in our head, our bodies. As sad as that may be... I'll continue later.

Actually I will disagree here. I don't see man in general as wired to fight. Yes we evolved from a predatory state and emotions do often lead to violent actions, but we are also social species of small groups. We can abide and even need the company of others around us. The vast majority of violence and war of man against man is really attributed to a small number of men throughout history. The problem is that we are wired to follow the dominant member of the group or leader. The vast majority of people do not know or want to think for themselves. They will follow orders and ways of thinking based on what their leader/religion/authority figure tells them to think or do. In all the wars that were fought in the middle ages do you think that the majority of soldiers wanted to be on those battlefields? Most were worried that they may not be home in time to bring in the years crops. They were only there because someone somewhere ordered them into battle either directly or through manipulating them into believing it was the right thing to do.

Again I state world peace isn't possible, but it should be sought after.

I would just like to say Doomed that I disagree with alot of your views on the world, but I must say I really admire your Passion for your viewpoints. I sincerely do hope that you keep such passion for your ideals as you grow older. It is so easy to grow jaded the more time you spend on this planet and realize that very little changes throughout time. People will probably be making the same mistakes in 100 years as they are today, which were the same mistakes being made 100 or 1000 years ago.


To Milanius and Hypno -
I have to say reading your posts, I had no idea whatsoever that we were so ill-thought of at the time. I must admit that America has a bad habit of jumping into foreign affairs without thinking things through first. Personally, I don't remember much about the whole conflict that took place in your country so pardon my ignorance on the subject. The news coverage of it here was very poor. I have to ask though... looking back, what would have happened realistically if America had not intervened?

gamer10 -
Are we culturally intolerant now as well. As far as I know English is only the de facto language of the United States and not an official requirement (yes I know it would probably be hard to get around in America without knowing English.) It isn't our common identity as Americans, our common identity as Americans is a respect for all people of the world, their cultures included, and tolerance for newcomers who seek better lives in our nation. If you want to become an American, should it be mandatory you know English? At the current growth rate, the largest group of people in the United States near the end of my lifetime would probably be people who're considered "Hispanic". This, however, is only an assumption.

Actually learning English is a requirement for immigrants when they apply for citizenship. My problem isn't that the illegal immigrants are here, nor do I feel they are taking away jobs from Americans. I completely agree that most Americans certainly wouldn't want most of the jobs that they perform.

My problems is that they are here illegally. There is a proper way to apply for and become a citizen of this country. We want the people that live in this country to have a certain respect for the laws which govern us. Living here illegally is already showing a disrespect for our laws. I certainly wouldn't expect to go to another country and not abide by their laws while I am there. I applaud those that are willing to come here and make a better life for themselves, but to do so by undercutting those that are citizens is not the right way to go about it. By undercutting I mean of course that they are feeding on the prosperity here without actually helping contribute to the whole. The vast majority of them do not pay taxes, yet still have children that attend our publicly paid schools and/or use other social programs. I am all in favor of granting those that are already here citizenship, if and only if, they also are willing to show a little bit of respect for the laws of the land in which they are choosing to live in and follow the procedure for becoming citizens. To not do so is a big slap in the face to every immigrant from around the world who struggled hard to earn their citizenship here.

This post has been edited by Neela: May 19 2006, 05:47 AM