Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[DoomedOne]

Alright, my opinion on this draws a lot of anger out of everybody I've argued with, and in fact this the one topic in debate I can rarely win supporting my own, complicated viewpoint.

But here's the thing, people pissed off at immigrants are pissed off at people who are suffering and trying to make something for themselves and survive and support families. When your family can't afford food or medicine, I'm sure many of you would find your priorities as far as patriotism and ridiculous laws to rearrange a little.

Really, Immigration is just one of many repercussions the United Staes and other countries have had to face because of the Global Class War. People say they're stealing our money and our jobs and because the money is going to their countries it's not helping the economy at all, but the United States has this economy from... get this, taking the money from them.

And of course the American Citizens didn't do it, but take the Pacifics right now, U.S. "territories" (Ahem, colonies) have people moving in shiploads to New Zealand, because in these U.S. "Territories" there are no laws against child labour and sweat shops. That's right, clothing manufactured here can be bannered "Made in the US" but are still made in Sweat Shops.

My friend from New Zealand tries to say he's not a racist, but that he aginst the hamster cave Islanders, and that if that meant he was racist he didn't care, but he tried to come up with a whole lot of reasons, like they're lazy and violent. In fact, since they started immigrated, gang violence in New Zealand has shot up the roof. But, that's because of a state of poverty, they go to NZ looking for a better situation and find themselves locked in poverty. Poor people fight each other, it's sort of a "divie and conquer" thing. In fact, as Malcolm X pointed out later in his life, all racism is "Divide and Conquer."

The immigrants are not the problem, they come to the United States not to reap off our benefits, but to work hard and make someething of their lives. Illegal Immigrants are the one group of people following the American Dream most closesly.

I'd also like to point out to Dantrag, like 1/4 of a penny of every tax dollar goes into Education. What those illegal immigrants aren't paying for is the military control that has been supporting fascist control from the very countries they came from. Frankly, if I came from Chile I wouldn't be paying American hamster cave Taxes either.

[Pisces]

And of course the American Citizens didn't do it, but take the Pacifics right now, U.S. "territories" (Ahem, colonies) have people moving in shiploads to New Zealand, because in these U.S. "Territories" there are no laws against child labour and sweat shops.  That's right, clothing manufactured here can be bannered "Made in the US" but are still made in Sweat Shops.

My friend from New Zealand tries to say he's not a racist, but that he aginst the hamster cave Islanders, and that if that meant he was racist he didn't care, but he tried to come up with a whole lot of reasons, like they're lazy and violent.  In fact, since they started immigrated, gang violence in New Zealand has shot up the roof.  But, that's because of a state of poverty, they go to NZ looking for a better situation and find themselves locked in poverty.  Poor people fight each other, it's sort of a "divie and conquer" thing.  In fact, as Malcolm X pointed out later in his life, all racism is "Divide and Conquer."

Your friend is greatly misinformed, crime rates have "shot up" in most developed country because crimes started getting reported. Pacific islanders ARE over represented in prisions but they are also over represented in many universities, the reason they are over represented in prisions is because most of them come over here quite poor while Europeans need to be rich to come here, and poor people are over represented in prisions everywhere. So yes, tell your friend he is stupid

And I don't see why people make such a big deal over immigrants, not starving people or letting them suffer shouldn't be conditional on taxes. They still add to the US economy where nobody else will, and they do that without rights, do you think they go to the police when they need help? Do you think they go to the hospitial when they get sick? Do you think they go on the streets to protest? If you do then you are greatly confused, those are the legal ones who give a f*ck, the illegal ones aren't supid enough to do that. And I don't see what is wrong with people who earn money don't a job which an American couldn't/wouldn't selflessly sending money back to their poor families, that is what liberity is all about.

It kind of angers me that the children of illegal immigrants go to the same school as me, when their parents don't put a dime towards it.

And if you were adopted from a poor family then you would leave school. Ha I doubt you would. Just because they lived a worse life than you doesn't mean they can't live a better one than you. Schooling isn't done just for fun, its done as an investment into working citizens.