Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[Ibis]

do you think they go to the police when they need help? Do you think they go to the hospitial when they get sick? Do you think they go on the streets to protest?

Funny you'd ask these questions, because here in Florida we have a resounding "Yes" to all of them. On any given weekend, the police spend an inordinate ammount of time breaking up fights and settling domestic squabbles of illegal immigrants, who do ont pay taxes for police services.

Go to any public hospital emergency room and you'll see it packed with illegals waiting for hour upon hour for free medical treatment. Not meant to be free, but they simply don't ever pay. They use emergency rooms the way most people use their doctors, thus clogging the emergency rooms for everyone, especiallly those who are insured, pay their bills and have an emergency that can wait a bit for others more serious to be attended to.

And as to protests? Orlando just had the largest ever protest in our history staged by illegal immigrants from everywhere and foreign nationals who all wanted President Bush to lighten up on the immigration laws to this country. I'm not sure but I think the prez pretty much squashed everyone's dreams, or so rumor has it.


I will never be against immigration from one country to another. I myself am only 2nd generation American on the maternal Polish side. But I do believe strongly in embracing the mores and customs of the new country, at least enough to fit in. That's not to say that if I moved to Europe, for instance, I wouldn't seek out the English speaking sector of the country I was in just so I could communicate at first and feel some sense of community...but I would be ferociously learning the native language at the same time and immersing myself in their TV, radio, books and magazines in order to try to learn my new language as swiflty as possible.

[Pisces]

Funny you'd ask these questions, because here in Florida we have a resounding "Yes" to all of them. On any given weekend, the police spend an inordinate ammount of time breaking up fights and settling domestic squabbles of illegal immigrants, who do ont pay taxes for police services.

Go to any public hospital emergency room and you'll see it packed with illegals waiting for hour upon hour for free medical treatment. Not meant to be free, but they simply don't ever pay. They use emergency rooms the way most people use their doctors, thus clogging the emergency rooms for everyone, especiallly those who are insured, pay their bills and have an emergency that can wait a bit for others more serious to be attended to.

And as to protests? Orlando just had the largest ever protest in our history staged by illegal immigrants from everywhere and foreign nationals who all wanted President Bush to lighten up on the immigration laws to this country. I'm not sure but I think the prez pretty much squashed everyone's dreams, or so rumor has it.
I will never be against immigration from one country to another. I myself am only 2nd generation American on the maternal Polish side. But I do believe strongly in embracing the mores and customs of the new country, at least enough to fit in. That's not to say that if I moved to Europe, for instance, I wouldn't seek out the English speaking sector of the country I was in just so I could communicate at first and feel some sense of community...but I would be ferociously learning the native language at the same time and immersing myself in their TV, radio, books and magazines in order to try to learn my new language as swiflty as possible.

In the US there is 11 million illegal immigrants and 40 million legal ones. Given the US's history of arresting protesters, if the illegal immigrants came to one then the police could have a field day arresting protesters legally for once. Illegal immigrants can't protest because they don't vote, no vote, no voice, that is how democracy works. How do you know they are illegal? You'll find most illegal ones don't want to be deported.

On the same train of thought here. Getting even public education for free is stealing. Because everybody pays for it, except those who are here illegally. You're basically saying that them stealing education is justified because they are poor.

I know I sound like a total boat here, but it's the truth. There is a legal way to become a citizen here, and everyone should go about it in that way. They only hurt themselves by not becoming a citizen anyway. How can they hope to have a brighter future when the only jobsthey can get are ones that pay under the table?

This makes their free education almost worthless doesn't it?

Education is given not paid for. Higher levels of income leads to higher economic prosperity, hence why it is called for an investment. And your parents didn't pay their taxes for your education, if they never had a child then their taxes wouldn't be returned to them, they paid their taxes for their own education and to educate other people so those people can become model citizens and contribute to the economy. Your are stealing no matter if your parents paid taxes because they never paid taxes for you. After this revelation will you leave school or turn yourself into the police? No, I don't think you will so don't bother trying to claim the high ground.

And stop contradicting yourself, people are umbrella seller about how they don't learn English and become a citizen, and yet people umbrella seller when they do learn English and become a citizen because they are "stealing education". Anyone who has read about modern economics knows that taxes isn't the only way to contribute to an economy, the other way is by providing labour, and since they don't get paid minimum wage they provide more labour than the average American and provide more to the economy, besides if they are working then they do pay taxes whenever their employer sells something or they buy something, who cares if its not directly. Money is only valued for its buying power, by working within the US they increase its buying power leading to an increase of GDP but much more importantly GDH which is the reason money even exists.

And lastly, I'm sure all the illegal immigrants would love to become citizens, but if you remember your constitution was broken and free immigration was replaced by a lottery. The founding fathers wanted a multicultural nation but these days American values are wasted on Americans.