Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[Ibis]

If my government makes a law, I'll respect it, but I won't hesitate to voice my opinion. Someone stated earlier, I don't really care who it is because this statement was rather offensive, that if someone is more proud of one country than another they should go to where their allegiance lies.

Just to let whoever it was know:

I live in a nation where our constitution grants me the right to voice my opinion. Its not treason if I do so, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm not proud of my nation. The thing is, it appears you think that people who prefer Spanish over English should go and live in a Spanish speaking country. This is rather strange, America is a melting pot of cultures, and the government should provide services in all the major languages spoken in America. English is not a unifying language, look at the debate its causing.

It was me and I didn't mean to be offensive. But I wonder if you've ever waited at a bus stop in San Antonio Texas and felt like a total stranger because everyone around you is speaking Spanish and yes, you are the outsider in your own country. Or have you lived in a poorer section of Tampa and found that all your neighbors disregard you with contempt? Why?? Again - you are the outsider who doesn't speak Spanish, the neighborhood language. Why, you might even be a spy for Immigration...

Yes I've been offended in my own country but I didn't mean to offend.

Putting my statement on the other foot ... let's say I a Floridian move to Belgium. But, I constantly state to everyone I meet (who understands English) that everything is better in Florida - the weather, the people, the buildings, the customs, the fashions, the food, everything. And I dress only in Florida fashion and I speak only ParrotHead English and I refuse to learn the native languages of Belgium, I just expect all government and private enterprises to cater to me and speak & write in English.
That I expect to use all the social programs but pay no taxes. That I am in fact sending almost my entire illegal paycheck back to Florida to my husband. That I pay no taxes but want all the services and privileges that Belgian citizens get. Would you like me for a resident of your country? Why don't you fill your whole country with people just like me and see how well things go??? No offense!


To take your own words, which are so true - America is the "melting pot" society and like it or not, English is the sauce that binds everyone together in a nice, understandable flavor. In order for any society to work well, communication is key. That doesn't really mean that it is the government's job to print up information in every East Islander language, Bornio script, Hindustani, etc. and every other remote or populace natiionaliity who may find their way to our shores. They come here cause they know the rules and they like them ... that's why they gave up home & hearth to come to America. It is resoundant upon them to learn the language and the customs and of course - add their own wonderful flavor - customs, fashions, languages, mores, etc. to the mix that is American. We are varied, we are children of rogues, pirates and princes, we are determined, we are proud, we are free .... welcome to the mosh pit!

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And just on an aside note to Neela's good idea concerning affecting the businesses who hire illegal aliens as workers .... (this may very well be offensive!) But I can only just see the look on the huge, uneducated, indolent, never worked before Welfare Mother's faces if they were ever told that there is no more free dole for their kind in this country and that they will be earning their keep by picking oranges for a living.
No way would I ever want to stick around for what they've got to say about it.

Edit* I've thought about this and before I come off sounding like a raging anit-hispanic I must note that I've worked with many Hispanic people, have been to Spain, have friends who are Hispanic and read Spanish way better than I can speak it but can speak it on a level of rudumentary conversations.
The people from Spain, Central and South America that I've worked with were not here illegally and respected the laws and customs of the US, plus whatever business we worked in.
What I am against is illegal occupancy anywhere ... whether it be squatters in an apartment or on land, depriving the landlord of a just income or people just squatting in a country, with no intention of getting along in the normal ways.

This post has been edited by Ibis: May 22 2006, 09:20 AM

[gamer10]

To take your own words, which are so true - America is the "melting pot" society and like it or not, English is the sauce that binds everyone together in a nice, understandable flavor. In order for any society to work well, communication is key. That doesn't really mean that it is the government's job to print up information in every East Islander language, Bornio script, Hindustani, etc. and every other remote or populace natiionality who may find their way to our shores. They come here cause they know the rules and they like them ... that's why they gave up home & hearth to come to America. It is resoundant upon them to learn the language and the customs and of course - add their own wonderful flavor - customs, fashions, languages, mores, etc. to the mix that is American. We are varied, we are children of rogues, pirates and princes, we are determined, we are proud, we are free .... welcome to the mosh pit!

Yes, actually it is. It isn't "our" nation to begin with. Please define who "our" refers to.

Does it belong to Chief Wiggum, of the Wiggum Tribe.


I don't think you are really understanding the message I'm trying to convey.

This nation does not belong to anyone in particular. No one has the right the say what language people should know. Quite frankly I'm just fine with English, but I respect the right of everyone else. In my school their are some very anti-foreign people, especially the teachers. Whether its more out of ignorance, or just plain hatred, I'll probably never know.

we all live under the same sun

Thanks to the sun we have 'racial" categories such as Black and White. Thank you sun.


This post has been edited by gamer10: May 25 2006, 09:30 PM

[HyPN0]

Thanks to the sun we have 'racial" categories such as Black and White. Thank you sun.

Ummm, I don't quite understand what you wanted to say by that.
Please, clear it out for me.