Chorrol Parliament, Be civil please.. Options

[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[DoomedOne]

Ooh dibs!

Channler, you ought to look at you statement more closely, and there lies the answer, if you just read over what you said very carefully a few times over, you might just get why so many people from all over the world have united in opposition against the United States...

have you figured it out yet?

Arrogance

I believe in following my own ideals as much as the next guy, but it's not strictly American. The American form of the American dream is that that one people will stride above all the others, and that it's their destiny to be great. The syntax of the American Dream is in the words, it's stamped American, as though no other human being on Earth is allowed to have ambition. Sure, ambition is a signatured personality trait of an American, but ethics are not, morality is only a spin-word used by the religious right to further their own agenda, real morality comes from stepping up and taking a stand against global injustice.

But the real, black-and-white, fact-based, economic issue that has so many people from all over the world pissed off is the global class war, the degradation of human rights and environmental protection in favor of making the richest people on this planet even richer. American corporations (and Canada, too, fuckers) have factories all over the planet where they spend nickles an hour and then bump up the products 1200%. Certain people have grown aware of these atrocities, these people, you seem to enjoy calling American America Haters, I prefer to call them Justice-Employees, because they sweat all day long for global justice and freedom, they are the new Americans and stand up for the real American Dream.

It's key to know most humans around the world don't blame American citizens, Channler, that's just the misconception. Just because someone burns a flag and says "Death to America" doesn't mean they hate any particular people, just the symbols, and everything it stands for. In fact, most people on the planet feel sorry for us, because of the choppy info we get in the media and the propaganda we are lead to believe.

Example: The movie black hawk down, painted as a bunch of American soldiers that went to a country to give them aid and got shot to smitherings. The truth? The ruling warlord of Somalia opposed American Corporations and all the free-trade they were imposing in his country, and he kicked the corporations out, or some other more complicated version of what I just said. So, the soldiers were, what's a polite way to say this? lead on to believe they were giving aid, when their real duty was to remove the warlord of that country so the United States could, as it has done a dozen times before, stick in a puppet government, not one that supported freedom and democracy, mind you, as they claim that they do, just one that would let in American Corporations.

And Somalia was just one example of Americans tricked to believe that the US fought for freedom when in practice fought for greed and the ambitions of a few fat white guys. Another example is Nicaragua, how many Americans talk about the Sandinistas and genocidal maniac? Well, it's funny how distorted that fact is, especially since it was originally printed that way. The Sandinistas, in their four years of government (and I can't remember the gentleman's name), eliminated illiteracy, nearly wiped out hunger and made a giant leap in medical availability. Four years later, after Nicaragua is approaching some sort of golden age? Well, it's funny, that golden age came at a price, including telling the hamster cave free-trade inplanted businesses that they were being forced to sell their lands. Oooooh, they didn't like that, not long after thanks to good ole Reagan, the whole country went to Hell. Assassins and death-squads trained by an American Assassination school, constructed under the orders of Reagan, tore people from their homes and tortured them to death or disappeared them. They were trained at an American military school, and went on violently over-throw the country and put in place a dictator, why? Because he let in US businesses.

America has been responsible for more injustice post world war 2 than every terrorist and failed state combined, that's why people oppose it. And, despite China's new-age capitalism and trigger-happy deathsquads, according to most analysts, they still don't hold a candle to the US.

Edit

While I was writing my essay you guys went ahead and started talking, hokay.

Dantrag- The reason gas prices are going up is because the oil companies recently pulled a fast one on the American Citizens, or have you been watching the news? Every oil exec in the business has been indicted and forced to try and explain their booming profits. They played it out as some sort of supply and demand thing, but there lacks a vital piece for that argument to be logical.

Iraq wasn't purely for Oil, every argument the liberals made about it came into existence. Look at Halliburton, they raked in billions upon billions up dollars from the Iraq expedition.

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: May 26 2006, 01:27 AM