A Discussion on Ethics Options

[DoomedOne]

Due to the flame war I started in the Coffee Shop (more like a flame execution) by merely discussing my day, I think it's clear something of this magnitude should be given it's own topic, so here it is.

I'll give some rules:

No flaming and no disrespect. All standard forum rules hold here. This is a thread for people's personal discussions on ethics and justification for their actions. I know people can feel very strongly about these sorts of things but no one has the right to insult or attack people instead of their ideas. Also, for those being attacked, remember don't mistake an attack on your ideas as an attack on you.

So this was spawned due to this idea: Is there any justification in stealing?

[DoomedOne]

I don't believe in the Golden Rule, I think it fails to consider justice. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they don't deserve it.

Also, Ibis, you realize I don't believe in kharma, or equivelance either, right? And you can believe whatever suits you, but I'm not ignoring the moral dilema, I'm not consciously deciding that I don't care about ethics, I do, I just don't think there's anything wrong with stealing from the rich, even if it means to some that I'm sinking to that level, it feels good to steal from billion dollar companies. I feel like I'm equalizing.

Okay, we've had our run with this topic, onto the next one?

Do you think if you can, it's right to avoid paying taxes?

I feel like if I could I wouldn't because most of it goes to committing atrocities, even though I want to support education and social programs, I can't have it either way. There are lot's of people who say they have all their taxes paid to a bank account and they're waiting for when that money will not be used to pay for unjust coups, political prisons and genocide.

[Dantrag]

I don't believe in the Golden Rule, I think it fails to consider justice. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they don't deserve it.

Also, Ibis, you realize I don't believe in kharma, or equivelance either, right? And you can believe whatever suits you, but I'm not ignoring the moral dilema, I'm not consciously deciding that I don't care about ethics, I do, I just don't think there's anything wrong with stealing from the rich, even if it means to some that I'm sinking to that level, it feels good to steal from billion dollar companies. I feel like I'm equalizing.

Okay, we've had our run with this topic, onto the next one?

Do you think if you can, it's right to avoid paying taxes?

I feel like if I could I wouldn't because most of it goes to committing atrocities, even though I want to support education and social programs, I can't have it either way. There are lot's of people who say they have all their taxes paid to a bank account and they're waiting for when that money will not be used to pay for unjust coups, political prisons and genocide.

So do you agree with the death penalty? (Which I know you don't) Because a murderer wouldn't like to be executed, but he deserves it. Is that your alternative to the golden rule?

So these managers are automatically rendered unworthy to have a job because they've worked hard to better their pay and position in the workplace? It sounds to me like you have a vendetta against managers because of this one manager.

Just a random question : are you a fan of socialism or communism? Because the whole 'equalizing' thing made me think that way.

Tax evasion is the same as stealing for me, so it's really the same topic. I agree with Jesus when he said, 'Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.' You live in this country just like everyone else, and everyone should support it whether or not they agree with its current leadership. Think of it this way; if you think they are doing little good now, think of how much less good they'll do if they have less money.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Jul 27 2006, 02:48 PM