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DoomedOne
post Jun 24 2007, 09:01 AM
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To me the presidential election is like the super bowl. (By the way, how would you football fans feel out there if the superbowl was rigged?) I don't see it as the democrats vs the republicans though, I think that both parties actually use this nation's divide against itself as a tool to support their continual incumbancy. I look at is as candidates that are there for the purpose of helping the world vs candidates that are there to help themselves. And there are both kinds on either side. Well, the primaries are up so let's take a look at the competitors. I don't really know the republicans very well because to be honest almost all of them sound exactly the same to me (yes to torture, no to freedom) so my table for them is going to be incomplete, and I'll let a more conservative poster add information and then just edit it on later.

The Democrats

Dennis Kucinich - Probably the second most consistant voting record of all prospective candidates (behind Ron Paul). He made a statement not too long ago by attempting to get thermos Cheney impeached. When he was met with the sound of crickets he pulled out his lil pocket copy of the constitution stating, "I just wanted to let America know there's at least one person in congress that still stands for the constitution." As president he seems to be into funding higher education, ending the occupation of foreign territory, and some other good stuff. He also quite strongly believes in protecting our rights and privacy.

Barack Obama - Many people think he's a hardcore commie, but to the liberals out there, this is a gross misconception. He does not believe in ratifying our foreign policy to put an end to the constant onslaught on the impoverished world. He in fact believes Afghanistan was a just cause though Iraq wasn't, but he will continue to occupy foreign territory and police the world according to what he's said. He's pretty good when it comes to human rights and combating poverty though. He discovered after the 2004 election that a single hacker with a wifi connection could effectively change the voting results of entire precincts, and that to me is a negative, he doesn't really have a pair. He seems to be trying to hard to be complacent with middle america, afraid to step out and be controversial.

Mike Gravel - The only other democrat besides Kucinich that wants to ratify our foreign policy so we stop murdering millions of innocent people around the world.

Who else that matters? Oh yeah, Hilary Clinton. Screw her, she;s a big government candidate, she wants to raise taxes and isn't going to fix our foreign policy. If she's anything like her husband, human rights aren't about to get much better either. Like Obama, she seems to be trying to conform to what the mainstream media presents as the opinions of moderate Americans, and this is a pretty stupid mistake but unfortunately since it's not worth that decides elections, but money, that doesn't matter now does it?

I would mention John Edwards and the other guys... but it hardly seems worth it. These are the candidates that stood out to mee, the others are just parrots.

The Republicans

There are only two candidates here I've followed after the first republican debate because the others all seemed too fascist after that. Granted, since the republicans applauded to torture at the debate I guess their preaching to the right crowd, too bad that crowd only represents a third of the politically active nation at this point.

John McCain - He's very conservative, but a true conservative, not one that just uses the same language to further their own agenda. As a POW, he's been there, and he understand that the only thing that gives our POWs hope is that they know if our enemies are capture they will be cared for. As soon as that no longer becomes the case, they have no guarantee. In fact, above any other candidate he supports the military the most. Not the military industrial complex, but the actual soldiers and their well-being.

Ron Paul - This guy has the most consistant voting record in congress, by far. And it's not jsut consistant in what he believes, it's consistant to the original intent of the constitution, No nation building, no impeaching the rights and privacy of citizens. He is the only candidate with a pair to be honest, not even Kucinish is as courageous as he is, or as well composed. He tells the truth, that our illegal occuption of countries like Saudi Arabia provoked 9/11. This was kisconstrued by the mainstream media to make people think he said the iraq war invited those attacks. It is America's arrogance to whimfully inplace and remove leaders, start coups and give weapons to terrorists that invited the attakcs of 9/11. That's a fact, Osama bin Laden said it, he specifcally said he attacked us because we keep going over there and screwing with things. No one will admit it but him.

Here's the kicker on this guy, at first the mainstrewam media acted like he was a joke, but then he started getting too popular so what did they do? They silenced him. Maybe it's his hamster off approach to Israel's arrogance. Whatever the case, despite being the most demanded candidate in the primaries media outlet after media outlet claims he is simply a minor candidate. Every decision he has made in congress has reflected the philosophy of the founding fathers, it's only natural the fascists trying to vie control over this country would censor him.

So in conclusion, for the first election I have been old enough to vote in, I will be voting for a republican.

And please remeber everybody thinking of not voting, those who don't vote are no better off than those who can't vote.


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Ibis
post Jun 28 2007, 08:47 PM
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Disagreeing with his haircut? That'd be that'd be John Edwards right? Subtle how you slid that in, Dannie.

Yeh, well that's what they'll be issuing our boys next = pitchforks. Just don't want a president whose sympathetic or an enabler to IED attacks. Got enough legless/armless/quad at the VA already thanks. Now if he's got a good peace plan, I'm eager to hear it.

What is your take on the candidates views on illegal immigration status?


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post Jun 29 2007, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(Ibis @ Jun 28 2007, 09:47 PM) *

Just don't want a president whose sympathetic or an enabler to IED attacks.

You'll have to explain that to me.


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DoomedOne   The American Election   Jun 24 2007, 09:01 AM
Ibis   I'm Hillary all the way (since California didn...   Jun 27 2007, 10:24 PM
Dantrag   A person's race and religion play a part in yo...   Jun 28 2007, 05:06 AM
stargelman   Yeah Ibis, let's break out the torches and pit...   Jun 28 2007, 06:27 PM
Ibis   If I could only take you walking around any Vetera...   Jun 29 2007, 09:30 AM
Dantrag   I agree with many opinions expressed there; but yo...   Jun 29 2007, 04:55 PM
Ibis   Yes but when he was up to 9 years old he was taugh...   Jun 29 2007, 11:34 PM
Dantrag   Well, by that same logic, George Washington was a ...   Jun 30 2007, 12:13 AM
gamer10   I'm voting independent, thats right, I'm t...   Jun 30 2007, 04:13 AM
Ibis   Danny, thanks for the warning! I suspect that ...   Jun 30 2007, 07:05 AM
Dantrag   Ha, that was a joke. I think he's an alright g...   Jun 30 2007, 02:50 PM
Ibis   gamer10, America is a melting pot and those who wh...   Jul 4 2007, 12:23 AM
gamer10   gamer10, America is a melting pot and those who w...   Jul 4 2007, 04:04 AM
canis216   Barack Obama has never been a Muslim, and the scho...   Jul 4 2007, 06:23 AM
Ibis   Whoa ... wierd and rather Hitchcockian. :blink: ...   Jul 4 2007, 04:17 PM
Zarrexaij   I don't know what the candidates are about (ex...   Jul 9 2007, 01:25 AM
DoomedOne   Ibis you do seem to be coming off slightly judgmen...   Jul 9 2007, 10:52 PM
Ibis   I am extremely judgemental ... ask Pisces. It is m...   Jul 10 2007, 04:57 AM
Dantrag   Now, what were you saying again about freeing thi...   Jul 10 2007, 06:13 AM
Ibis   hmmm, good points Danny ... you give me hope again...   Jul 10 2007, 08:26 AM
DoomedOne   More on Ron Paul, it seems you can really tell who...   Jul 10 2007, 09:29 PM
gamer10   Ron Paul is a moderately good Republican candidate...   Jul 11 2007, 06:37 AM
Dantrag   The 14th Amendment one makes sense, after some res...   Jul 11 2007, 07:03 AM
Ibis   I am with DAnny on pro-gun control but permits for...   Jul 11 2007, 04:32 PM
DoomedOne   On thing that worries me about Ron Paul is that he...   Jul 15 2007, 08:55 AM
Dantrag   Health insurance companies also need to go, I...   Jul 16 2007, 06:15 AM
milanius   I'd support any American president which would...   Jul 15 2007, 02:36 PM
Ibis   Sweet Milanius, ... always the good decision :D   Jul 15 2007, 06:22 PM
DoomedOne   I love the hype about how much Michael Moore's...   Jul 16 2007, 11:18 AM
canis216   The trouble with health insurance is that it is ha...   Jul 20 2007, 10:58 PM
DoomedOne   Well the problem with healthcare in this country i...   Jul 21 2007, 10:07 PM
Channler   So this is a rather old topic, but still viable. ...   Sep 16 2007, 11:17 PM
stargelman   So in regards to the situation in Iraq, my vote a...   Sep 18 2007, 08:22 PM
Channler   Well Mr Stargelman, You know how to keep the civi...   Sep 19 2007, 01:26 AM
DoomedOne   As a secular leader paid for by the West, Saddam H...   Sep 21 2007, 01:17 AM
stargelman   Heh. Hinsight is 20/20.   Sep 21 2007, 07:51 PM
Ibis   Vietnam became profitable for the French. Vietnam...   Sep 21 2007, 09:04 PM


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