The American Election, Who you votin' for/support? Options

[DoomedOne]

To me the presidential election is like the super bowl. (By the way, how would you football fans feel out there if the superbowl was rigged?) I don't see it as the democrats vs the republicans though, I think that both parties actually use this nation's divide against itself as a tool to support their continual incumbancy. I look at is as candidates that are there for the purpose of helping the world vs candidates that are there to help themselves. And there are both kinds on either side. Well, the primaries are up so let's take a look at the competitors. I don't really know the republicans very well because to be honest almost all of them sound exactly the same to me (yes to torture, no to freedom) so my table for them is going to be incomplete, and I'll let a more conservative poster add information and then just edit it on later.

The Democrats

Dennis Kucinich - Probably the second most consistant voting record of all prospective candidates (behind Ron Paul). He made a statement not too long ago by attempting to get thermos Cheney impeached. When he was met with the sound of crickets he pulled out his lil pocket copy of the constitution stating, "I just wanted to let America know there's at least one person in congress that still stands for the constitution." As president he seems to be into funding higher education, ending the occupation of foreign territory, and some other good stuff. He also quite strongly believes in protecting our rights and privacy.

Barack Obama - Many people think he's a hardcore commie, but to the liberals out there, this is a gross misconception. He does not believe in ratifying our foreign policy to put an end to the constant onslaught on the impoverished world. He in fact believes Afghanistan was a just cause though Iraq wasn't, but he will continue to occupy foreign territory and police the world according to what he's said. He's pretty good when it comes to human rights and combating poverty though. He discovered after the 2004 election that a single hacker with a wifi connection could effectively change the voting results of entire precincts, and that to me is a negative, he doesn't really have a pair. He seems to be trying to hard to be complacent with middle america, afraid to step out and be controversial.

Mike Gravel - The only other democrat besides Kucinich that wants to ratify our foreign policy so we stop murdering millions of innocent people around the world.

Who else that matters? Oh yeah, Hilary Clinton. Screw her, she;s a big government candidate, she wants to raise taxes and isn't going to fix our foreign policy. If she's anything like her husband, human rights aren't about to get much better either. Like Obama, she seems to be trying to conform to what the mainstream media presents as the opinions of moderate Americans, and this is a pretty stupid mistake but unfortunately since it's not worth that decides elections, but money, that doesn't matter now does it?

I would mention John Edwards and the other guys... but it hardly seems worth it. These are the candidates that stood out to mee, the others are just parrots.

The Republicans

There are only two candidates here I've followed after the first republican debate because the others all seemed too fascist after that. Granted, since the republicans applauded to torture at the debate I guess their preaching to the right crowd, too bad that crowd only represents a third of the politically active nation at this point.

John McCain - He's very conservative, but a true conservative, not one that just uses the same language to further their own agenda. As a POW, he's been there, and he understand that the only thing that gives our POWs hope is that they know if our enemies are capture they will be cared for. As soon as that no longer becomes the case, they have no guarantee. In fact, above any other candidate he supports the military the most. Not the military industrial complex, but the actual soldiers and their well-being.

Ron Paul - This guy has the most consistant voting record in congress, by far. And it's not jsut consistant in what he believes, it's consistant to the original intent of the constitution, No nation building, no impeaching the rights and privacy of citizens. He is the only candidate with a pair to be honest, not even Kucinish is as courageous as he is, or as well composed. He tells the truth, that our illegal occuption of countries like Saudi Arabia provoked 9/11. This was kisconstrued by the mainstream media to make people think he said the iraq war invited those attacks. It is America's arrogance to whimfully inplace and remove leaders, start coups and give weapons to terrorists that invited the attakcs of 9/11. That's a fact, Osama bin Laden said it, he specifcally said he attacked us because we keep going over there and screwing with things. No one will admit it but him.

Here's the kicker on this guy, at first the mainstrewam media acted like he was a joke, but then he started getting too popular so what did they do? They silenced him. Maybe it's his hamster off approach to Israel's arrogance. Whatever the case, despite being the most demanded candidate in the primaries media outlet after media outlet claims he is simply a minor candidate. Every decision he has made in congress has reflected the philosophy of the founding fathers, it's only natural the fascists trying to vie control over this country would censor him.

So in conclusion, for the first election I have been old enough to vote in, I will be voting for a republican.

And please remeber everybody thinking of not voting, those who don't vote are no better off than those who can't vote.

[DoomedOne]

Well the problem with healthcare in this country is our pride and nationalism, to be honest. We have this idea that the free market is this universal principle because it helped us get to the top as a nation, but it didn't do it alone. Government subsidies got us out of the depression, for instance. Subsidies to higher education in the 60s and 70s gave us a massive boom in the middle class which was probably one of the best things for this economy our government has ever done.

The free market is great when money can be the bottom line, but in certain areas of our daily lives money just can't be the only goal of those in charge. Healthcare should be the bottomline of healthcare, and that means giving every citizen what they need. it doesn't mean we're going to put a big buraecracy down to make people wait years for surgery. The fact is if we switched right now wait times would decrease because no one would have to check insurance and the HMOs wouldn't add a bunch of obstacles to make sure they're still making money.

Now dantrag, I do agree Michael Moore is openly biased in his movies so they aren't really documentaries, and he is most definitely a left-wing pundit (One of few) who uses the same sort of language manipulation people like Bill O'Reilly use, but I can watch Michael Moore and read between the lines, it's not that hard to tell where he's putting something a certain way in order to generate an image or association.

However his documentary contains only facts. CNN tried to attack his documentary by explaining exactly where his facts got a little iffy, and Michael Moore started posting exactly how CNN was lying and how his facts were not iffy at all. CNN attempted to debate him but eventually the man who made the fact checking report lost a large portion of his fanbase and was forced to admit his mistakes.

So far of all the "Michael Moore is making propaganda" reports about his facts I've read and checked up on, only one fact was manipulated, and that was during Bowling for Columbine when harleton Heston was shown giving a speech and Moore took two speeches and made them seem like they were the same speech, even though Heston was wearing two different suits. However, he never actually claimed that it was one, authentic speech either.

So I agree, Michael Moore, like all extremists, lies to himself in order to hold onto his extreme "us and them" opinions. He justifies his own manipulations because, if you watch the news, they screw their facts up ten times as much as he does. In fact, the news is worse than him when it comes to bias even though they don't admit it. Their goals are to make sure people are frightened and insecure but think their government is doing everything it can to protect them. The business side of war is left out, and everything is censored as though, if someone were to specifically examine this country's media they would think we're living in a fascist country.

Anyway I must also digress, vote for Ron Paul. He never answered my email where I questioned his views on an absolute free market.