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Kazaera
post Aug 30 2011, 12:55 AM
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(mods, please move this if this is in the wrong place? I couldn't figure out where this topic would go.)

So I was reading up about what happens in Morrowind post-game, according to Oblivion, and ran across this little tidbit.

Apparently Helseth incites a civil war, which he and his allies win, in order to break the power of the Great Houses and consolidate his own. And how he starts this is by banning slavery.

So far, so good. This sort of makes sense, given how fraught slavery is as a topic.

Except. That the civil war apparently happens between Hlaalu and Dres on the anti-slavery side and Redoran and Indoril on the pro-slavery side. Telvanni is Sir Not Appearing In This War.

First, the minor WTFs: Redoran is the in-game house that seems to make least use of slaves, and Indoril seems to be presented as very close to the Temple, also sort of military/religious and not a major slave-owning power either. Since slavery is also a matter of Dunmer tradition and so on, I could buy Redoran and Indoril *supporting* the major slave-owning Houses who protest against this, but have some trouble seeing them being the only ones... considering that of all the houses they would possibly be affected least from everything we've seen. (Hlaalu's got plantations. Worked by slaves.) I also have a lot of trouble seeing Telvanni stand by and do nothing, considering they're very pro-slavery and use slaves a lot.

But all of that pales next to Dres.

I mean, we don't know much about Dres lorewise. But what we do know is that: they are an agricultural House. They have huge, huge plantations that rely solely on slave labour. They are very anti-Imperial, very much Temple-supporters, apparently traditional allies of House Indoril, and very, *very* opposed to abolishing slavery.

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I actually considered having slavery outlawed somehow in my Morrowind fic and ending up going "no, that would never happen because Dres would never stand for it." And now apparently, canonically, they not only have but fought a war to abolish slavery???

Especially because... you know, from Dres's description, this would totally ruin their economy.

Of course, apparently (I haven't played Oblivion myself so I'm going off the UESP wiki) you hear rumours that House Dres has "remodelled its economy from an agricultural one to a mercantile one". To which my reaction is twofold:

1. What, overnight?

2. ...if House Dres is the only primarily agricultural Great House, and it magically swaps its economy for one based on trading, then... where is the food coming from?

I have been continually WTFing over this piece of lore since I stumbled across it. Honestly - has anyone been able to make any sense of it? Because I'd love to, really, but I just hit "House Dres" and go "......what."


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Kazaera   Complaining about a piece of Oblivion-given Morrowind lore   Aug 30 2011, 12:55 AM
SubRosa   I noticed this a while ago, and mentioned it in on...   Aug 30 2011, 01:48 AM
Thomas Kaira   House Telvanni has never cared for anyone but them...   Aug 30 2011, 03:07 AM
Destri Melarg   You’re right, Kazaera, it does seem backwards. Si...   Aug 30 2011, 09:52 PM
SubRosa   First let’s dispel the idea that becoming a merch...   Aug 30 2011, 11:54 PM
Destri Melarg   Yes, but you are only looking at Vvardenfell. Wha...   Aug 31 2011, 01:55 AM
SubRosa   Well, keep in mind that there is nothing in the lo...   Aug 31 2011, 02:18 AM
Helena   There's actually no mention in Oblivion of Red...   Aug 31 2011, 01:26 PM
Destri Melarg   Obviously the East Empire Company has a piece of ...   Aug 31 2011, 06:50 PM
Helena   You’re right; there is no mention of Redoran’s par...   Aug 31 2011, 08:42 PM
Kazaera   I guess this is the sticking point: like Helena, I...   Aug 31 2011, 09:55 PM
Helena   I guess this is the sticking point: like Helena, ...   Aug 31 2011, 10:35 PM
SubRosa   This, exactly. Now I'm wondering, where are t...   Sep 1 2011, 12:06 AM
Destri Melarg   I don't fault you for trying to answer Kazaer...   Sep 1 2011, 12:25 AM
Helena   That's funny because the more I think about it...   Sep 1 2011, 08:07 PM
SubRosa   Who here thinks that we have put far more thought ...   Sep 1 2011, 11:24 PM
Kazaera   I think I've pinned down what frustrates me re...   Sep 1 2011, 11:28 PM
Destri Melarg   Well, the more I think about it the less it makes...   Sep 2 2011, 08:34 AM
Helena   Thank you for the lesson in socioeconomics, but th...   Sep 2 2011, 08:31 PM
Kazaera   Pretty much. I couldn't see any way to make ...   Sep 3 2011, 01:35 PM


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