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mirocu
post Oct 25 2014, 09:15 PM
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Maybe I could have used another thread for this but I wanted to discuss it more in-depth so here we go smile.gif


Something odd happened today when Lothran was walking around Bravil while equipped with one of these bows, I noticed his walking pace was a tad slower than normal. At first I ignored it and tried to shake it off but the feeling wouldnīt go away and I could swear something was off. I had to investigate this further so I hotkeyed the Black Bow and one other weapon and switched back and forth while Lothran was walking and true enough, there is a slight slowing-down effect when he has the Black Bow equpped!

Has anyone else noticed this? huh.gif


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post Oct 25 2014, 09:18 PM
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Interesting find! I've never noticed, and I've had more than one character who used a Black Bow.


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post Oct 25 2014, 09:21 PM
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Is a Black Bow heavy armor then? That is weird.


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post Oct 25 2014, 09:22 PM
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Maybe someone could find something in the CS? smile.gif


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post Oct 26 2014, 02:29 AM
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How odd is that! I'd say SR nailed it, probably heavy armor. If Lothran's skill in heavy armor is low it would def make a difference.


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post Oct 26 2014, 03:34 AM
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No I can't say I ever noticed this before. Saga occasionally carries a black bow, I'll try equipping and unequipping one of these next time I see her.

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post Oct 26 2014, 10:45 AM
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But how could it count as heavy armour when itīs a weapon? huh.gif


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post Oct 26 2014, 04:46 PM
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It shouldn't be able to be counted as armor. But Heavy Armor is the only thing I can think of that arbitrarily slows you down.


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post Oct 26 2014, 04:51 PM
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Yeah, itīs a good thought. Can it be confirmed? Itīs no biggie but I wanna know tongue.gif


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post Oct 26 2014, 04:59 PM
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You mentioned comparing walking speed with other weapons equipped, then switching to BB. Have you tried switching to other bows as well? Just looking to narrow things down.

I don't know how in the world a weapon could be counted as heavy armor though. I know how to switch armor between heavy and light in the CS, but how a non-armor item can act as armor is beyond me. When I asked ghastley once about modding to change clothing to armor (or armor to clothing), his answer led me to quickly toss it in the 'too hard' box.

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post Oct 26 2014, 05:44 PM
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I didnīt try other bows but I have never noticed a change when Lothran has used them. Only with the BB.

Strange stuff this is, indeed laugh.gif


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post Oct 26 2014, 06:00 PM
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I'm sorry to say this, mirocu, but Lohtran is aging. He's not so young anymore and of course he can't walk so fast if you put a bow on his back. Soon there'll be times when he'll have to warm his arthritic feet every evening in warm water, imagine how slow will he walk then.

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post Oct 26 2014, 06:02 PM
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rollinglaugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif


Well, he does have white hair biggrin.gif


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post Oct 26 2014, 11:23 PM
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Snaaty has a black bow. I tried having him carry it, and then not carry it. Removed it from his inventory, and put it back in. I don't see a change in his speed at all, so it sounds like you've got some sort of rare quirk.

Edit: Do you mean 'equipped' like he's actually carrying the bow in his hand? Okay, I see a slowing-down effect now, but I thought it was this way with all bows?

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post Oct 27 2014, 05:56 PM
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I mean equipped as in the bow being on his back, not just in his inventory and not in his hand smile.gif


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post Oct 27 2014, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Oct 27 2014, 12:56 PM) *

I mean equipped as in the bow being on his back, not just in his inventory and not in his hand smile.gif

oH okay. Well no difference then in my game, the only diff I see is when Snaaty is actually carrying a bow in his hand.

Maybe your game is broken, Crow. Go send Bethesda a rantmail, try to get your money back.

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post Oct 27 2014, 08:38 PM
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The difference is very minor, perhaps you just didnīt notice it?


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post Oct 27 2014, 08:54 PM
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Heavy Armor is just a term, it is how the weight penalty is determined based on the weight of each piece of armor - well, weapons weigh differently too. A hammer that weighs 100 will slow a player down significantly when they are used to carrying an under 20 pound dagger or short sword.

(and of course going armed always slows the player down no matter the weapon)




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post Oct 27 2014, 08:58 PM
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I think mALX is right. I also recall that using fatigue mods will increase the penalty for Burden especially when you get close to the PC's weight limit.


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post Oct 27 2014, 09:13 PM
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So what youīre saying is since Iīm used to Lothran carrying very little stuff around thatīs why I noticed the difference?


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