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post Feb 18 2017, 04:52 AM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Feb 17 2017, 09:52 PM) *

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post Feb 20 2017, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Feb 17 2017, 08:44 PM) *

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For some years now one of my favorite medieval melee weapons is one that doesn't get much exposure in either movies/TV or games...the poleaxe, a weapon primarily designed for plate vs plate combat. Here's a poleaxe combat demonstration video. (Of the two weapons seen here, I prefer the look of the business end of the poleaxe wielded by the "knight" with the red/cross surcoat. Whether it is the best of the two designs from a practical standpoint I do not know.)

Hellz yeah!! Khajiit loves polearms! Really big fan of halberds, poleaxes, guandao, and naginata, specifically! Polehammers are cool too (which this one believes the guy in the red and white duds in the video is using)!
I'm sorta with you all this, though halberds are imo different different enough to be their own breed. Lindybeige has a cute little video that touches on the various names applied to (dis)similar pole-arm variants.


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post Feb 26 2017, 09:24 PM
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The Falcata tho.

I'm having a little crazy obsession with this type of sword recently. At first I was a little put off by its strange curve, but as I looked into it more and more it kinda grew on me. Plus Orcrist, IMO the most beautiful sword in both the Hobbit trilogy and the LoTR trilogy, looks a lot like one.


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post Feb 26 2017, 09:29 PM
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post Feb 26 2017, 09:46 PM
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post Feb 26 2017, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 02:24 PM) *

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The Falcata tho.

I'm having a little crazy obsession with this type of sword recently. At first I was a little put off by its strange curve, but as I looked into it more and more it kinda grew on me. Plus Orcrist, IMO the most beautiful sword in both the Hobbit trilogy and the LoTR trilogy, looks a lot like one.

Ah, there's a nice Celtic weapon for ya!


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post Feb 26 2017, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 03:24 PM) *

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The Falcata tho.

I'm having a little crazy obsession with this type of sword recently. At first I was a little put off by its strange curve, but as I looked into it more and more it kinda grew on me. Plus Orcrist, IMO the most beautiful sword in both the Hobbit trilogy and the LoTR trilogy, looks a lot like one.

I have always thought those were cool weapons. The Greeks had an almost identical sword called a Kopis. It seems to have been a favorite of heavy cavalry. Alexander is often depicted wielding one. By putting all the weight forward, it would have been a powerful chopping weapon. Good against people wearing armor.

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post Feb 26 2017, 11:30 PM
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Here is one of Khajiit's favorite blades:
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It's called a Khopesh. It's from the ancient Middle East, probably most famously used by the ancient Egyptians. Khajiit just loves its shape!

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post Feb 27 2017, 12:23 AM
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@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!


@TheCheshireKhajiit: Ahh, the sickle sword! Nice! You know, the khopesh is eerily similar to the ebony scimitar seen in Morrowind's Tribunal expansion. Which would kinda make sense, since the Dunmer have some Egyptian allusions in their culture. Speaking of sickle swords, here's my personal favorite; the Ethiopian shotel. I encountered this beauty in a video game, and I've been in love since. Apparently it was designed IRL to work around shields and other defenses to hit the enemy. Interesting stuff.

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post Feb 27 2017, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 27 2017, 12:23 AM) *
Speaking of sickle swords, here's my personal favorite; the Ethiopian shotel. I encountered this beauty in a video game, and I've been in love since. Apparently it was designed IRL to work around shields and other defenses to hit the enemy. Interesting stuff.

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I remember that from Bladestorm: Hundred Years War. Wielded by the Abyssinian units.


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post Feb 27 2017, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(hazmick @ Feb 27 2017, 08:26 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 27 2017, 12:23 AM) *
Speaking of sickle swords, here's my personal favorite; the Ethiopian shotel. I encountered this beauty in a video game, and I've been in love since. Apparently it was designed IRL to work around shields and other defenses to hit the enemy. Interesting stuff.

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I remember that from Bladestorm: Hundred Years War. Wielded by the Abyssinian units.

Good taste in video games, hazmick; Bladestorm: Hundred Years War was unique for me in that it actually allowed you to control, and fight alongside, your chosen units in a RTS/Hack-n-Slash hybrid kind of way. Real different from the usual one-man army stuff you usually see in Koei's Dynasty Warrior games.

As for me, I remember the shotel from Dark Souls 1. Just like IRL, it allowed you to bypass the enemy's active block, which was a very big thing for me in PvP lol


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post Feb 27 2017, 12:43 AM
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Oh yes, Khajiit has heard of the shotel before. It was featured in an episode of Forged in Fire once. Wicked little blade, for sure!


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post Feb 27 2017, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 06:23 PM) *

@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!

The Macedonian army had many elite formations within it. But the most prestigious and perhaps famous were the Companion Cavalry, led by Alexander himself. They were heavily armored horsemen, who specialized in shock (i.e. melee) combat.

Their opposite numbers in the Persian military were even more heavily armed and armored. After the Persians created their empire, their worst enemy often turned out to be other Persians, in the form of rebel Princes with an eye to killing whoever the current King of Kings was to take his place. Since these battles came down to Persian vs. Persian, and they hinged upon the leaders not only fighting, but being the one who lived, the Persian cavalry adopted heavier and heavier armor and weapons.

By the time Alexander invaded Persia their heavy cavalry was even more heavily armed and armored than the Companion cavalry. So the Macedonians really needed weapons like the Kopis and their lances to make any kind of dent (pun intended!), in that thick Imperial Persian armor.

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post Feb 27 2017, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 27 2017, 08:52 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 06:23 PM) *

@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!

The Macedonian army had many elite formations within it. But the most prestigious and perhaps famous were the Companion Cavalry, led by Alexander himself. They were heavily armored horsemen, who specialized in shock (i.e. melee) combat.

Their opposite numbers in the Persian military were even more heavily armed and armored. After the Persians created their empire, their worst enemy often turned out to be other Persians, in the form of rebel Princes with an eye to killing whoever the current King of Kings was to take his place. Since these battles came down to Persian vs. Persian, and they hinged upon the leaders not only fighting, but being the one who lived, the Persian cavalry adopted heavier and heavier armor and weapons.

By the time Alexander invaded Persia their heavy cavalry was even more heavily armed and armored than the Companion cavalry. So the Macedonians really needed weapons like the Kopis and their lances to make any kind of dent (pun intended!), in that Imperial thick Persian armor.

Ahh, well that explains why it was shaped like it was. Just like what you said earlier, more weight forward meant more power. So in this case its main use was to put the hurt on the boys in armor, yes? I thought its main use was more along the lines of an anti-light infantry weapon TBH, where you ran down fleeing stragglers/engaged in infantry-vs-cavalry melee and used the Kopis' distinguished curve (and your elevated position) to just effectively collect heads. Now I know!


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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 26 2017, 05:52 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 06:23 PM) *

@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!

The Macedonian army had many elite formations within it. But the most prestigious and perhaps famous were the Companion Cavalry, led by Alexander himself. They were heavily armored horsemen, who specialized in shock (i.e. melee) combat.

Their opposite numbers in the Persian military were even more heavily armed and armored. After the Persians created their empire, their worst enemy often turned out to be other Persians, in the form of rebel Princes with an eye to killing whoever the current King of Kings was to take his place. Since these battles came down to Persian vs. Persian, and they hinged upon the leaders not only fighting, but being the one who lived, the Persian cavalry adopted heavier and heavier armor and weapons.

By the time Alexander invaded Persia their heavy cavalry was even more heavily armed and armored than the Companion cavalry. So the Macedonians really needed weapons like the Kopis and their lances to make any kind of dent (pun intended!), in that Imperial thick Persian armor.
Man Khajiit loves ancient warfare!


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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Feb 27 2017, 09:14 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 26 2017, 05:52 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 06:23 PM) *

@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!

The Macedonian army had many elite formations within it. But the most prestigious and perhaps famous were the Companion Cavalry, led by Alexander himself. They were heavily armored horsemen, who specialized in shock (i.e. melee) combat.

Their opposite numbers in the Persian military were even more heavily armed and armored. After the Persians created their empire, their worst enemy often turned out to be other Persians, in the form of rebel Princes with an eye to killing whoever the current King of Kings was to take his place. Since these battles came down to Persian vs. Persian, and they hinged upon the leaders not only fighting, but being the one who lived, the Persian cavalry adopted heavier and heavier armor and weapons.

By the time Alexander invaded Persia their heavy cavalry was even more heavily armed and armored than the Companion cavalry. So the Macedonians really needed weapons like the Kopis and their lances to make any kind of dent (pun intended!), in that Imperial thick Persian armor.
Man Khajiit loves ancient warfare!

Somehow, for some reason or another, I smell an Ancient Warfare: Tactics and Strategy Appreciation Thread coming... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 07:13 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 27 2017, 08:52 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 26 2017, 06:23 PM) *

@SubRosa: Funny thing was, I was actually kinda confused whether the picture I chose was a Falcata or a Kopis. They just looked so identical! Heh. Looking at some of the Kopis now, I kinda get why they've used it as a cavalry weapon; the middle curves seem like brutally effective implementations for lopping heads when you're on a horse!

The Macedonian army had many elite formations within it. But the most prestigious and perhaps famous were the Companion Cavalry, led by Alexander himself. They were heavily armored horsemen, who specialized in shock (i.e. melee) combat.

Their opposite numbers in the Persian military were even more heavily armed and armored. After the Persians created their empire, their worst enemy often turned out to be other Persians, in the form of rebel Princes with an eye to killing whoever the current King of Kings was to take his place. Since these battles came down to Persian vs. Persian, and they hinged upon the leaders not only fighting, but being the one who lived, the Persian cavalry adopted heavier and heavier armor and weapons.

By the time Alexander invaded Persia their heavy cavalry was even more heavily armed and armored than the Companion cavalry. So the Macedonians really needed weapons like the Kopis and their lances to make any kind of dent (pun intended!), in that Imperial thick Persian armor.

Ahh, well that explains why it was shaped like it was. Just like what you said earlier, more weight forward meant more power. So in this case its main use was to put the hurt on the boys in armor, yes? I thought its main use was more along the lines of an anti-light infantry weapon TBH, where you ran down fleeing stragglers/engaged in infantry-vs-cavalry melee and used the Kopis' distinguished curve (and your elevated position) to just effectively collect heads. Now I know!

I am sure it would have been great for hacking limbs and heads clean off as well. Especially given the added height (and thus power) achieved from striking from horseback down on someone on the ground. It is not the most versatile weapon. You can pretty much only chop with it. But it is very powerful. I always thought it would be the perfect weapon for a Highlander Immortal.


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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 27 2017, 10:57 AM) *

LE SNIPS

Or an Ayleid noble/knight/cavalry. Reading the new books about the Ayleids in ES:O, alongside the existing ones, and then thinking about it for a while, pretty much convinced me that they're basically the Tamrielan equivalents of the Greek city-states! Greek city states with a little bit of Mayincatec thrown in, I suppose.


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