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Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 17 2018, 03:51 AM

So anyone here interested in this game?

Posted by: SubRosa Jun 17 2018, 04:51 AM

https://screenrant.com/cyberpunk-2077-gameplay-details-e3-2018/. I have always liked cyberpunk, like Shadowrun. I loved that back in my tabletop RPG days. But I never had the chance to play Cyberpunk 2077 back in the day. So it would be nice to see it on the computer.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jun 17 2018, 05:33 AM

Hoi there, chummer. Always geek the mage first and never ever cut a deal with a dragon.

Yep, I’m in love with Shadowrun too. Actually I fully got into the whole cyberpunk setting because of the games they released recently; Shadowrun Returns and Dragonfall. Left me in a state of post-BTL jonesing tbh; left me wanting for some more. So it’s safe to say i’m Interested as all hell. Ciri from Witcher said she was in the world of Cyberpunk 2077, so maybe in this game we’ll see her as an Easter egg.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 17 2018, 02:03 PM

Eh, Khajiit would prefer not to have anything from Witcher in CyberPunk, but if she’s there, she’s there.

Posted by: SubRosa Jun 17 2018, 03:55 PM

Slot it and run chummer.

Back in the pen and paper Shadowrun, there was an adventure where you had to cut a deal with a dragon. It ended in a huge pile of drek.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jun 17 2018, 04:09 PM

An adventure where you have to willingly cut a deal with those flying lizards and still come out smelling like drek? Lofwyr must’ve been the Johnson for that!

Damnit now I’m in the mood to play SR. Thanks a lot, Sage Rose!

Man I wonder if we can customize our characters in CP2077 and make them look like fantasy humanoids I.E elves and such. I’m telling you, that would be so dope!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 17 2018, 04:11 PM

Characters are supposed to be fully customizable, but Khajiit thinks it’s limited to humans.

Posted by: SubRosa Jun 17 2018, 06:23 PM

It was a module called http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Source:Bottled_Demon. It was pretty convoluted, the first dragon you deal with seemed like a good guy at first, who took the cursed demon bottle off you hands. But he was corrupted by it, and turned into this nasty corrupted semi-undead dragon. Then the second dragon comes in, and gives you the 'opportunity' to set things right by killing the first dragon. It was a fun adventure, and really brought home why you never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 17 2018, 10:40 PM

Hmm, Khajiit got this Shadowrun Returns for free when he purchased BATTLETECH from GOG. Perhaps he should check it out.

Also .

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 28 2018, 02:16 AM

They dropped a 48 min gameplay vid for Cyberpunk today. Have yet to check it out but thought it would be good to post an alert here for those who may not have known but are interested.

Posted by: Renee Aug 28 2018, 01:07 PM

Isn't this where yet another shooting occurred? I haven't had time to really check news this morning.

Wait, no nevermind. Looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_2077. I am thinking of some sort of gaming convention. Okay. A Madden gaming convention, or something. [censored]. Whoa. The shooter was from Maryland?. What the [censored]?

Back on topic. Why the year 2077? Again, that year, which also appears in Fallout as the Great War (right?)

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 28 2018, 03:31 PM

It’s essentially a follow up to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_2020 rpg game (pen and paper, Khajiit believes). This one doubts they even thought about or cared that Fallout’s “Great War” occurred this same year.

Posted by: Kane Aug 28 2018, 04:35 PM

CDPR off to a fast start with boobs and the c-word about 2 minutes into the gameplay. It's funny how different two large studios like them and Beth approach content in their games.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 28 2018, 04:41 PM

Khajiit thinks it’s probably because CDPR is European and Beth is American. Here we have always been told “nudity is bad” and over there they have nudity in frickin’ commercials. Cultures are just different. Khajiit is all for adult content as long as it’s appropriate to the setting of the game.

Posted by: Kane Aug 28 2018, 04:43 PM

Yeah, that last part is key. If it's shoehorned in to appear "edgy", then it's just a waste of pixels and memory.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 28 2018, 05:04 PM

Exactly. TES has had places where a bit of nudity would’ve been appropriate (Desele’s House of Earthly Delights in TESIII, and the Fo’c’sle in TESIV). It could be used in Fallout whenever prostitution comes up (New Vegas would’ve been a prime candidate for nudity in a Fallout game, of course, that wasn’t BGS).

Posted by: monkeyemoness Aug 29 2018, 02:56 AM

On one hand I'm wary of giving CDPR any money, but on the other the more that's slowly revealed about the game the more I get excited about it. Slightly apprehensive, but mostly intrigued. :v

Also holy [censored] that "Hispanic" guy is obnoxious as [censored] who the hell wrote his lines?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 29 2018, 05:19 AM

Oh? Khajiit isn’t very familiar with the company having never played any of the Witcher games, but this one thought CDPR was fairly well regarded. Is this not so?

Posted by: Kane Aug 29 2018, 01:34 PM

I probably won't play it, TBH. I've grown spoiled with Bethesda and their dynamic world spaces.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 29 2018, 03:48 PM

Khajiit just watched the gameplay vid last night. Jeezuz Crist. If the gameplay in that vid is anything like the finished product, then it’s going to be an amazing game. At this point it’s definitely a preorder for Khajiit.

Posted by: monkeyemoness Aug 29 2018, 08:34 PM

'Pends on who you ask. Personally, I'm a little wary of giving money to a company that abuses its employees (particularly during TW3's development), among other things. Just to be petty, I'm also adding "Cannot Write Hispanic Characters" to that list of reasons. :v

Anyways, it's still too early to judge this game, but again, color me intrigued in spite of my hangups.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 29 2018, 11:15 PM

This one wasn’t aware they abused their employees. Khajiit must look into this.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 10 2020, 05:26 PM

So has anyone here played this game yet?

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 10 2020, 06:29 PM

I'm thinking of getting it when my new computer arrives. But from what little I've heard and seen of reviews, it seems to be doing pretty good so far. But apparently it is also absurdly buggy (AAA game buggy on release? Shocker.) and the movement is pretty bad. Overall, though, most people seem to really like it.. Obviously, I can't speak personally yet.

With how much fans and CDPR have hyped this game beyond reason, I'm not sure that this game can meet expectations regardless of how good it is. We'll see soon enough.


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Wow, this topic hasn't been commented on since Aug. 2018? That was when monkey was still active. I wonder what they're up to now.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 10 2020, 07:30 PM

Yeah I’m probably going to wait a bit to get it, as there seems to be a good bit of weirdness with it right now. I just read that some characters have their breasts and/or male genitalia clipping through their clothes.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 10 2020, 11:39 PM

That is big **** energy right there!

I remember when Cyberpunk 2020 was a tabletop rpg. I never played it though, because my group was into Shadowrun instead (which is also a cyberpunk game, but with magic thrown in as well).

I cannot say I have been incredibly enthusiastic for it. I like the genre, so I am interested. But I do not feel any great need to go out and buy it. It is something I will just watch to see the news on and maybe I'll look for some gameplay vids a few months from now. Maybe if it sounds good I will buy it next year when Gog does a summer sale.

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 11 2020, 06:27 AM

Looking on Steam, I currently only see two good, legitimate attempts at actual reviews on the front page. I'm fine with the funny ones to a certain extent (as long as they aren't too numerous), but I hate the effortless, short garbage like "This game good. Go buy." or "Game is fricking trash, don't buy." Why even bother writing anything in these cases? Or it will be either some sort of vendetta against the company who made it, or bootlicking, sycophantic praise of the company.

Anyway, those two reviews are negative, but in an effort to be more balanced, I took a positive review that seemed to be a decent attempt at reviewing the game at first glance (tbh, I haven't read it yet) and I'll show it alongside the other two (which I did read). The negative ratings make me rather concerned about the game on a fundamental level.

Negative Reviews:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/HypocriticalDragon/recommended/1091500/
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198018005263/recommended/1091500/ (This one, in particular, got a lot of reactions.)

Positive Review:
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197985193993/recommended/1091500/


This game was never going to live up to the hype that both CDPR obnoxiously generated for years and ridiculous gamers built in their head, but it seems to be more than just coming up a bit short. Still, the reviews are mostly positive, it appears. I don't want to get carried away either way.




EDIT: I'll also add that I've really been itching for some more cyberpunk-themed games. Unfortunately, most of the ones that do exist aren't--or don't appear to be--games I would be interested in. One exception was System Shock 2, which is a great game and it hasn't aged too badly. So I'm hoping that Cyberpunk 2077 turns out well. But it's hard, if not impossible, to fix the fundamentals, so if those are a problem the outlook isn't good.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 11 2020, 06:43 AM

One reviewer mentioned being sent back to a checkpoint when you died. Is this the kind of game where you can only save at checkpoints, rather than anywhere, anytime?

Edit: I looked it up and it says that while it has an autosave feature, you can also manually save. They don't say specifically whether that saves your progress at your exact location, or if it saves you at the your last Checkpoint. I am guessing the first. But you never know with games ported from a console.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 13 2020, 11:22 PM

I’ve decided to wait for things to settle down for a while before reading any reviews. Honestly I’m not able to buy any games right now anyway, so I’ll be waiting for a sale at some point.

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 15 2020, 11:13 PM

I'm hearing more and more about how horribly the game runs on lower-end consoles. Obviously PS4 and XBox 1 are going to lag behind PS5 and Xbox Series X (or S or whatever it is), but it sounds like it is practically unplayable. From what I hear, it often drops to 15-20 fps. Hell, people are having trouble with the next-gen and PC versions, unless you are absolutely top-of-the-line in PC specs (which, yeah, that should be the case). If that's the case, that's really inexcusable.

Now, I don't want to be biased and just hone in on negative reviews. I haven't seen many positive reviews yet that really make a good attempt to explain their reasoning, though I haven't really tried seeking them out. I've just done a cursory scan of store pages and sometimes coming across stuff on Reddit. (For all its issues, Reddit can actually have quite a large amount of good and interesting discussion about things like video games.) It's a natural human bias to put more stock into the negative than the positive, but this review from the front page of Cyberpunk's GOG store page really stuck out. [I thought you could embed pictures in here? I can't find the option for it now. Ugh. I'll just copy-paste the text.]

Red text denotes what I added for clarity.

(Side note: GOG really needs to let you add more characters to your reviews. I've posted four reviews on the site, and 2000 characters just isn't enough to get out everything you want or need to say.)

You can read other GOG reviews here: https://www.gog.com/game/cyberpunk_2077

This sure sounds pretty bad. Seems like they should've cooked it some more, but at this point they probably had no choice due to investors and rabid, capital-G Gamers. Then again, CDPR could've helped themselves out by not hyping the game for 8 damn years.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2020, 12:38 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcmag.com/news/cd-projekt-red-offers-apology-and-refunds-for-cyberpunk-2077%3famp=true

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 16 2020, 03:11 AM

https://imgur.com/gallery/UcIIatf

Too bad for Keanu, that he hitched himself to this. He deserved a better game to be associated with, like Red Dead 2.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2020, 03:17 AM

Eh, I suspect he’ll be fine.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 16 2020, 04:05 AM

Yeah, but he's a really cool guy. He deserves better.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2020, 05:59 AM

I haven’t totally given up on the game. I feel that, given enough time, CDPR are going to fix it and make it into something incredible. If that never happens, well then, yeah, I was wrong. It’s just that I’ve learned that not all games that launch with rocky starts end up being terrible games.

I could say I feel bad for those who bought the game on day 1, but I don’t. Folks should know by now that games these days aren’t generally worth buying until they’ve had several rounds of patches.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 16 2020, 06:52 AM

It is not the bugs that make the think that. It is the number of people saying how shallow the game is, and how there are no real options in dialogue, or a reason to care about any of the npcs giving you quests, and things like that. I don't see that ever being fixed.

Posted by: Renee Dec 16 2020, 02:11 PM

Right, I know nothing at all about this game or its series. But this morning a local radio DJ (who is a huge gamer) was talking about how Cyperpunk's devs are simply giving out refunds. Not even bothering with patches. I don't know if this is true but having a quick glance at your all's posts here it seems to be. So sad.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2020, 03:10 PM

Maybe not. We’ll see I guess.


I mean, the company has posted an apology, which I linked to a few posts up, and in that apology they say they are working on patches. So, again, we’ll just have to wait and see. Or not, I can’t buy games right now anyway so it may be a good thing I’m having to wait. If it doesn’t get better, then I’ll have lost nothing.

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 03:20 PM

It is; I watched the (censored version of the) full CharGen on Youtube.








SPOILER ALERT!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G51GkSmQAmQ

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 03:55 PM

Khajiit is right; Americans are actually kind of prudish compared to the rest of the world when it comes to nudity. In most of the places I went in Europe nudity was just a natural thing to see; and so was peeing/defecating = perfectly natural functions; no need to hide what you were doing. Children see it all as natural growing up; so don't think anything of it when they see it.

My first impression on being driven from the airport in Germany to the town we were going to live was seeing a man peeing on the side of the road facing traffic; and another sitting on a guardrail defecating with his butt facing the road so we could all see the turds dropping as we passed. (not that we wanted to; but there it was).

The TV stations; TV shows; and newspapers all had nudity without any "ratings system" or any "warnings;" and even their cartoons in the newspaper could have nude pictures edited for effect. I saw one with Hillary Clinton's head superimposed onto an actual photo of a nearly nude dominatrix; (just a studded leather garter belt on) with Bill Clinton's head superimposed over the man's head (who was on his knees with a studded leather dog collar on his neck). It was a newspaper cartoon; but it was an actual photo they had superimposed Hillary and Bill's heads onto.








Agreed.








MONKEY !!!!!

*mALX wipes tear, then sees date this was posted...*


"Urgh, am I necromancing a thread here?"












Someone customized giant appendages on their characters? Lol.

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 04:50 PM

From what I saw in the gameplay vid link I posted; all three of those reviews are accurate. The good review: Yes, the graphics are stunning in this game; but really = that is about all he said.

The best review of all (imho) that you posted was the first "bad" one you linked; and it was totally accurate to what I saw in the gameplay vids.

The game is absolutely as linear as Witcher. You can explore only the areas they allow you in at that time in the main questline; and you can only interact with the NPC's connected to the main questline/the quest you are on/and even just the stage of the quest you are on. As far as I know from the reviews and those vids = there are no misc. or side quests available; only the main questline.

They called it open world; but I noticed in both that review and in the vid that there were no interactions available with any of the NPC's except those connected to the main questline; so they may let you explore to a certain extent (but it is controlled by invisible walls that "send you back to the zone you are supposed to be in;" just like in that "Kings" game Decrepit was playing a couple years ago). And it is set up like a Shooter too with the loot: there is very little loot; only what is placed that is needed for the main questline = so exploring means just "looking at" the pretty graphics; not actual exploration.

I did wonder about the dialogue options and repercussions on choosing certain answers; so was kind of glad that review answered that question. I think they did a much better job than Bethesda did with Fallout 4 on the "spoken dialogue" for our characters; MUCH better dialogue for anyone wanting to roleplay than Fallout 4 had.

The video link I posted = that guy making the vid also complained about the car driving being extremely awkward. In fact; everything that first bad review said other than the female hands clipping (the guy was playing a male; so wouldn't know about that one) = the guy in the vid talks about them.

But yeah; I don't expect a game to ship without any bugs at all; and they did put out a zero hour patch that fixed the majority of the "clipping" and major bugs. There are still some residual issues; but nothing deal breaking if you don't mind the linear aspect of the game.

The best open world game I've played so far = Black Desert. You can travel anywhere you want; but in your exploration you will find areas that aren't safe for someone of your level (which is one thing I hated about ESO changing to "One Tamriel" = they made it so even a level one character can go anywhere and never be over their heads with the enemies = ruined a great game by doing that, imho).

Also, you can't access all the quests immediately in Black Desert; because as your character grows in levels and reputation in the world; and as you interact with others = more quests open up for you. You can leave a town feeling like you have completed every quest in it; then come back to it after questing in another town = and find a whole raft of new quests you can do. (and I am not talking about the repeatable daily quests; (which there are many of in every town) = but new individual quests. The people "learn of how you helped others in X town; and so hope you can help them with their issue now." I love the way it was done; because the questing is never ending; as long as you play that game you will always find new quests to do. (some of those quests are a bit lackluster compared to TES quests though; but their dialogue is hilarious sometimes = Korean humor abounds).

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 05:29 PM

Everything that interview said was exactly what that first "bad" interview said in the first three interviews posted above; and was what I noticed in the gameplay vid. This game will probably not be satisfying as a good RPG; it is more set up like a Shooter with a few RPG aspects added.

And yeah; them hyping it for so long is what cooked their own witch's cauldron on them. My son said they were getting death threats if they didn't release it! Makes you leery of the gamers you might meet on the Cyberpunk 2077 Discord channels;








Holy Cow, that would make me run out and buy the game!!!!! Awesome ad; did they ever use it? (and yeah; better than what I saw in the game, lol).

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 06:01 PM

Yeah; I expect a few clipping issues or glitches in any new game; but if the storyline is empty of any reason to immerse yourself = that isn't a problem that can be patched out.

Imho; they did an excellent job of making the characters behavior realistic; but in watching the vid it really did feel like he was being pulled here and there without me really knowing/understanding why; and the dialogue never really cleared that feeling up for me. (but that could be just me; some of it might be referring to historical references a fan of Cyberpunk would know that I don't).







I learned something from Acadian and SubRosa right around the time Fallout 4 was months off from being released: Wait one year before buying any new game. Never pre-order them. The reason is three-fold:

1. You can see the reviews and learn about what issues it has had and whether the issues are being addressed without being the one who spent all that money for a game that isn't playing right.

2. If you don't mind spoilers; you can get a glimpse at the gameplay vids and see if it is even something you will really want to play.

3. After a year you can usually buy it on sale and pay half the price for it. I listened to them and ended up getting Fallout 4 fully patched for under 20 dollars.

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 16 2020, 07:25 PM

That first comment though. "Cykapunk 2077." Lmao. It's funny that, after you read the title of the post, none of what happens in the video is surprising at all.



Yeah, I haven't quite yet, either. And agreed on the Day One stuff, especially for these colossal AAA games. But you know how a lot of gamers are.

However...



This is what concerns me as well. I'm seeing a lot of issues that are endemic to the game. Those can't be fixed in a Day One patch.

OTOH, I've also learned to be quite skeptical of some of these particular claims, like the game being "shallow" or that "your choices don't matter." Some people exaggerate those criticisms because they didn't work out quite the way they thought or wanted it to. My go-to example of this is when Morrowind fanboys claim these things about Skyrim (and to a lesser extent, Oblivion), how it is "not a real RPG," etc. when those accusations are flat-out wrong. (Skyrim could've done a much better job at showing their impact, though.)

In any case, these reviews are enough, in my eyes, to not drop $60 on the game to see if I believe these claims hold up. I wasn't going to anyway because 1) I'm a cheapskate and 2) I've got a backlog of games and only so much time to play them. Also, even though my new computer is going to have pretty good specs, I'm still concerned that it won't run the game well.




While I don't think they had much choice, I think CDPR does deserve some credit for doing this. Not every company would be willing to do refunds, but those are mostly going to be those giant corporations that could handle the bad PR and whose games are always going to be bought en masse anyway. I don't believe that CDPR could afford to do that, even as a AAA developer, with only The Witcher 3 under their belt as a real blockbuster game.




I think there needs to be a good balance with the nude content. For one, it has to fit with the setting, like Khajiit said. And while there is a certain prudishness with adult content in America that is excessive, it doesn't need to go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum. What you saw in Germany, obviously, is disgusting and unnecessary and way over-the-top. But even apart from that, I think it's misguided for certain cultures to just flaunt nudity like it isn't a big deal. But I digress.



As for the stuff like the p---- and boobs, yeah, that seems to be a sticking point for why people want the game, lol. And I'm serious. I've seen plenty of times people remark how you can put BOTH of those things on the same character.


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If there is a big sale on this game, maybe I'll try it out. But I also don't want to drop money on a game unless I have good reason to believe it'll run well on my computer. I've admittedly become a bit of a performance snob, but I don't need everything set to ultra quality with every bell and whistle like RTX and bloom and all that jazz.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2020, 07:36 PM

Yeah I’m pretty much going to do the same. Pick it up on a GOG sale sometime next year. Hopefully at a deep discount.

Posted by: mALX Dec 16 2020, 08:36 PM

If I get it, it will def be at a Steam sale. I've already got it on my "Watch" list.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 18 2020, 05:10 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/12/17/22188007/sony-cyberpunk-2077-removed-playstation-store-full-refunds-policy

That’s really bad news for CD Projekt Red. I wonder how long until MS follows suit.

Posted by: mALX Dec 18 2020, 05:29 AM

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 18 2020, 10:51 PM

As much as I can't stand the cult of sycophantic capital-G Gamers that bootlick CDPR, this is absolutely not at all what I wanted. This is a really serious issue and I feel a bit bad for them. Well, the developers at least. Yeah, it's a corporation, even if it is smaller than the ones we are used to, but this sucks to see. The marketing really oversold this game, but gamers also had a hand in building this game up to be way more than it was going to be. CDPR is apparently notorious for making employees crunch, but it's going to be crazy trying to get this game fixed over the holidays. Developers aren't barely going to be able to enjoy them with family, if at all.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 19 2020, 12:07 AM

Indeed. I’m not a fan of CDPR, nor do I dislike them. To me they are simply a game company that got a bit of a “good guy” reputation with gamers because of a “we give away free content” gimmick and by producing a game that is very well regarded by critics and players. Personally, I will never play any of the Witcher games because we get stuck playing as Gerald. If I don’t care about the protagonist, how could I enjoy playing a 30-100+ hours game as him? All that said, I was actually looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077. It was going to be my chance to see for myself what all the fuss around CDPR was about. Well turns out my suspicions proved correct, and at the end of the day, CDPR is a game company just like any other. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Honestly, I think they got caught up in their reputation and panicked after catching heat about the crunch and delays. It’s a shame really. The game had a very long development cycle for this to be how it launched. I do feel bad for the devs that worked really hard on it.

Posted by: mALX Dec 19 2020, 12:24 AM

Ditto to all of the above.

Posted by: hazmick Dec 19 2020, 02:37 PM

I've been enjoying the game on the whole (playing on PS4 Pro), some really great characters (and very well voice acted too for the most part), interesting story, decent enough side content, but some really key issues:

1) Frequent and repeated bugs and crashes. Frequent enough that even some basic QA testing should have picked them up. If someone on the dev team had played the game for even an hour, they'd have a good list of things that need fixing.

2) Lots of locked doors - most buildings in the city are inaccessible. If you can enter a building, it's likely because it's a shop or a quest location. This means that exploration of this open world is not really encouraged - the overworld map looks hideous because it has all the markers for side quests and such on it from the start, no need to find things out for yourself. Afte a while you basically just fast travel from quest to quest because you're not missing much and it might help you avoid a bug on the way.

3)Overall polish. Not a huge issue but CDPR made a thing of not releasing the game until it was 'ready'. I would not consider the current version of the game ready for anything other than another few months of dev time. Things like the combat and driving feeling cheap, audio not playing, having to wait for NPCs and objects to render in, some of the background voice acting being janky, all really feels like it needs work.

I believe they have significant patches planned for January and February, so we'll see how that goes.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 19 2020, 11:33 PM

Ooo good to have a Chorrolite with hands on experience with the game weigh in. Your words make me feel like they could actually fix this game if they handle the patches right.

Posted by: mALX Dec 20 2020, 03:39 PM

HAZMICK!!!!! WOO HOO !!!!!!!! It is so good to see you on here!!!

Thank you for the in depth review here; really prefer to hear it first hand from you than all the reviews on Youtube put together. Your review actually does give me hope that they will try to pull this back together and fix the issues.

I was really focused on this game because it was touted as "Open World RPG;" so when I saw how linear it seemed in the gameplay vids I was really getting leery over that being true. (so your words didn't come as a surprise on that). It came across to me (without actually playing it) like the shooters my son played; which disappointingly had no real exploration or loot to be found that wasn't blatant if you did find a way to stray around searching. Darn, I was really excited about this game.

*mALX turns Black Desert back on...*

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 20 2020, 08:23 PM

This is why I’m gonna wait a year on major releases and instead focus on indie / older stuff. Bugs are only good if you’re the type of person to eat them, after all.

Posted by: mALX Dec 20 2020, 08:26 PM

EW!!!! Gross!!!

Posted by: RaderOfTheLostArk Dec 22 2020, 12:58 AM

Glad we have someone here who can speak from firsthand experience. I really don't want to rely solely on what people I don't know are saying and then parrot off their opinions when I have no personal experience. It being someone I know is at least a much better alternative.

Can you speak on a lot of the other complaints about the game? Some of the things I've heard:

• Linearity of the story and lack of real choices when we were promised much more
• Rarely having the option to attack a situation in multiple ways (from what I hear, stealth is awful and not viable for most of the time
• Lackluster gunplay
• Gang relations, or lack thereof when we were supposed to be able to interact a great deal with them
• NPCs blatantly spawning and despawning
• Little capacity for customization (e.g cars, how your story plays out based on what background you chose such as corpo)
• Crafting being useless or horribly designed (I've heard several different complaints)

Sounds a lot to me like the marketing went seriously overboard with their advertising of what you could do in the game. If that's the case, and if I was a developer, I'd want to strangle them.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 22 2020, 07:11 AM

I did see a video of an NPC in a wheelchair. The PC walked up to him and punched him. The NPC got up from his chair, cowered for few moments, then ran away...

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 22 2020, 01:17 PM

Maybe the PC was like some cyberpunk Jesus with a unique “laying of hands” method?

“Thou art healed! Get up and walk mutha f*****!” *punch*

Posted by: mALX Dec 22 2020, 04:40 PM

Khajiit beat me to it, I was going to post something along those lines too, lol.

Posted by: hazmick Dec 22 2020, 05:14 PM

Linearity of the story and lack of real choices

I'm not sure how far through the story I am, perhaps a little over half way? Anyway yes the main story is very linear, there are a few parts which branch off to make it feel like you have a choice but ultimately you will circle back to the same spot. Perhaps some choices impact the ending - we'll see.

Otherwise there aren't a lot of choices that really impact the game world. There are a lot of options in conversations that make it feel like you're making a decision, but you're really not. There are also 4 romance 'options' in the game, but they are determined by your character's genatalia and voice, so you can't actually choose. (side note, I did a romance questline the other day and the final quest was very sweet - good writing, scene direction etc.)


Rarely having the option to attack a situation in multiple ways (from what I hear, stealth is awful and not viable for most of the time

There's usually a choice between stealth and not-stealth, with each being equally viable. There's no real benefit to stealth though, everything works out the same if you just go in guns blazing and it's probably a lot easier and faster that way.


Lackluster gunplay

Absolutely. Guns feel weak and there's not a very large selection (about half a dozen types of gun and most look the same). I've mainly been using melee weapons, specifically the mantis forearm blades, as well as hacking enemies in combat to overload their cybernetics and whatnot.


Gang relations

There's none of that. Gang members are the general enemies you face in side quests and the early campaign, I haven't found any way to befriend them. Each district of the city has a gang emblem on the main map, but as far as I can tell it means very little - perhaps there are some side quests that I need to do for that.


NPCs blatantly spawning and despawning

Once or twice, most notably a quest NPC who was driving me to a quest objective. She popped back in when we arrived and finished her dialogue all in one go. Enemy NPCs have a habit of randomly spawning in the middle of combat (law enforcement in particular do this all the time if you have a wanted level)


Little capacity for customization (e.g cars, how your story plays out based on what background you chose such as corpo)

Zero car customisation, you can just buy other cars but all perform the same. Character background determines your introduction questline, and some empty dialogue choices throughout. It's mentioned a lot so does feel quite good sometimes but no real impact - again perhaps at the end something might change.

I haven't found a way to change my character's hair/tattoos etc after the initial character customisation. Maybe I've missed something. You CAN change your cybernetic implants though, and there are quite a few options which all feel quite useful.


Crafting being useless or horribly designed

Crafting is a tacked on afterthought, and upgrading items is prohibitively expensive. I've been trying to upgrade a shirt I got at the start of the game, but it's so costly that it's still half as effective as the garbage clothes I find on enemies.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 23 2020, 08:23 AM

Yikes.