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Acadian
post Jul 17 2014, 04:31 PM
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I'm pretty happy with archery in Skyrim, but wonder if anyone else shares my feelings on a couple of the archery perks:

1. Steady Hand 1 & 2. These perks slow time when you are zoomed in with your bow. I find that it makes aiming vs a moving target troublesome. I can estimate lead time pretty well in normal time, but the slow down time seems to make that hard. Bottom line is that I deleted that perk from Buffy (via the command console) and it seems to work better for me without changing timezones.

2. Bullseye. This perk gives you a 15% chance of paralyzing a target for a few seconds. At closer ranges is works well and gives you breathing space to keep shooting the target while they're down. I have two concerns about this perk at long range though (where Buffy tries to stay) -

a. When the target goes down, they are much harder to hit; sometimes at longer ranges, we simply wait for them to get back to resume shooting.

b. The paralyze effect is actually a 'spell' that is not carried by the arrow it seems. As such, it travels faster than the arrow. The effect at long ranges is to drop the foe to the ground before the otherwise fatal arrow passes harmlessly through the air where the foe was standing. It is funny to watch when the game decides to do a kill cam animation - where you can close-up see the foe fall toward the ground (paralysis), then the arrow whiz through where he was just standing. Honestly, I'm thinking of using the command console to eliminate that perk from Buffy. I'll add that I really don't care for 'chance of' effects to begin with - preferring things I can really count on.


Anyway, I'm just wondering if any other archers view these to perks as more irritating than they are worth.


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post Jul 17 2014, 04:44 PM
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I love the stead handy perks. They make it much easier for me to hit moving targets. It is in realtime that I have trouble hitting them, especially if they are moving perpendicularly to me.

I have never had the Bullseye perk. But when enemies get down to low health and take a knee, I have the same problem with hitting. I think the game decides that they are smaller than they really are, and makes arrows miss that really ought to hit them.

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post Jul 17 2014, 04:46 PM
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Totally agree. I never added the Steady hand perks to Silwen, just on reading their descriptions.

She got the Bullseye, found out that it gave her targets a "save roll" they didn't have before, and insisted I remove it via console. I'd expected that the paralysis would only be "if not killed" by the arrow, rather than instead of delivering the damage. I found no way to mod things to achieve that, but I note that spookyfx is working on a Duke Patrick's Archery mod, so maybe it will be done soon?

It's all a result of having "kill cams". The game needs to determine the result before the arrow is released, so that it knows to start the camera rolling. So the paralysis is applied early, causing the miss. It also means that it's coded in the engine, and hard to override.

There's a similar perk problem in the Destruction tree, where one of the perks - Disintegrate - makes it impossible to loot the target. At least they die, rather than get back up and kill you.

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post Jul 17 2014, 10:38 PM
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As Acadian said, the paralysis effect definitely travels quicker than the arrow. When I get a kill cam with the bullseye perk the arrow will miss the target and I'll be trapped in kill cam mode for about 30 seconds, which is not useful in a big fight...


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post Jul 17 2014, 10:58 PM
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Thanks all, so much for the input! Glad to know the paralysis glitch was not just me. I've removed that perk from Buffy and think I'll continue to avoid the slow time while zoomed perk. smile.gif


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post Jul 18 2014, 01:12 PM
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I've only had a couple characters mess around with Archery in Skyrim, nobody has gotten serious with it yet, and the one guy who looked he was going to died.

The Steady Hand would annoy me. Slowed time sounds like something out of Fallout. It's not exactly VATS, but it's halfway there, from the sound of it. There is a slow time perk with 1-handed (I think) that I chose with one of my past characters, I never liked it. But it could be RP'd somehow, like with a character who's got an extra-ordinary ability.

The Bullseye perk sounds cool, in the sense that since ES games don't have locational damage, this is a way to pretend that it does, but it's weird that this has spell-like effect.

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post Jul 18 2014, 01:14 PM
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Oops, Iím late to the party. tongue.gif

I would prefer that the Master perk offer a chance to instantly kill or disarm the target instead of paralyzing them. HmmÖ

I took Steady Hands with Jensa on the PS3 and was stuck with it. After hundreds of hours I re-learned how to lead the targets with my controller and big screen, but I havenít taken those perks in my laptop games unless the archer is purely a stealth archer (assassin). Strafing in slow motion doesnít work for me. wacko.gif

Personally I think Quick Shot and Hunterís Discipline should switch sides on the tree. Then there would be more of a distinction between snipers and combat archers.


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