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Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 3 2016, 01:11 AM

Eh Star Wars thread on the Bethesda forums lets bring it here. Anyway if anyone here love Red Letter Media and the Star Wars Pizza Roll review then you're in luck cause https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ.

I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 01:35 AM

Awesome! I am a huge SW nerd. I'll check it out. Darth Maul was the only reason I liked episode I, though I don't like what they did with his character after that. New canon has some terrible stuff in it. The clones were not what they were meant to be in the Clone Wars after they introduced them in the cartoons. We have Dave Felonious to thank for that.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 3 2016, 02:01 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 2 2016, 07:35 PM) *

Awesome! I am a huge SW nerd. I'll check it out. Darth Maul was the only reason I liked episode I, though I don't like what they did with his character after that. New canon has some terrible stuff in it. The clones were not what they were meant to be in the Clone Wars after they introduced them in the cartoons. We have Dave Felonious to thank for that.


I haven't seen all of the Clone Wars series and I've only seen the pilot movie of Rebels the latter being more interesting to me. I'm still kinda wondering where my fandom lies most in either Star Trek or Star Wars as I love both equally.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Oct 3 2016, 02:12 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 2 2016, 08:01 PM) *

I haven't seen all of the Clone Wars series and I've only seen the pilot movie of Rebels the latter being more interesting to me. I'm still kinda wondering where my fandom lies most in either Star Trek or Star Wars as I love both equally.

You need to watch the whole series! It's good.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 02:19 AM

The Clone Wars is great. Simply great. As I've said, the clones had a better direction in the EU. The whole mind control-chip storyline that forced the clones to execute Order 66 and kill the Jedi was ridiculous.

But other than that its great. I prefer it to Rebels. Clone Wars is a bit more mature.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 3 2016, 02:54 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Oct 2 2016, 08:12 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 2 2016, 08:01 PM) *

I haven't seen all of the Clone Wars series and I've only seen the pilot movie of Rebels the latter being more interesting to me. I'm still kinda wondering where my fandom lies most in either Star Trek or Star Wars as I love both equally.

You need to watch the whole series! It's good.


I'll try to get the series if I can.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Oct 3 2016, 06:04 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 2 2016, 08:54 PM) *
I'll try to get the series if I can.

Some of the things from The Clone Wars carries over to Rebels too. I think you won't be sorry if you get a chance to watch The Clone Wars in its entirety.

Posted by: mirocu Oct 3 2016, 08:42 AM

Yay, Star Wars! biggrin.gif


But no need to name threads with numbers. We don´t really have a post limit here smile.gif

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 08:42 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 3 2016, 01:11 AM) *

I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.


We do actually have a Star Wars thread "The Nerf-Herder's Rest", but it's been dead for a while, so why not.

Wow, those videos go on a bit. I think I'll have to pass for the sake of my datacap.

I don't know that it was sloppy writing that let the prequels down. They always struck me as pretty much unnecessary, since we knew what was going to happen the moment we saw Anakin Skywalker and Senator Palpatine pop up. No matter how they could have written it, we were still being told a story we already knew the ending to. Though the fact that Lucas couldn't even keep continuity with his own films is hilarious.

And I agree with DE that Darth Maul was the only good thing about Episode 1.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Oct 3 2016, 09:02 AM

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.

Posted by: mirocu Oct 3 2016, 09:07 AM

Luke Guys, I am your father there are no prequels or sequels. Only the Originals and Best cool.gif

Posted by: Uleni Athram Oct 3 2016, 09:12 AM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Oct 3 2016, 05:07 PM) *

Luke Guys, I am your father there are no prequels or sequels. Only the Originals and Best cool.gif

My mastery of Juyo and Trakata will cut your opinion down

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Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 09:26 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:02 AM) *

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.


Personally, I rather liked Dooku, even his fight against Yoda(Just for the comic value. I remember watching it in a cinema with a friend, and we couldn't stop laughing at it. It's kind of sad that that fight was still better than anything in Revenge laugh.gif )

And Maul definitely would have been a better choice than Grievous, though maybe have him go toe-to-toe with Mace Windu instead of Obi-Wan. That would have been such a cool fight.

I could see Sidious throwing a third Sith into the mix without any trouble. Part of his plan was that both Grievous and Dooku were expendable, especially once he's decided to make Anakin his apprentice. So if he's planning to kill both Dooku and Maul, all he needs to do is make sure they don't unite against him(easy enough given their characters) and he can just let the Jedi kill them, remain hidden, and recruit Anakin afterwards.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Oct 3 2016, 05:26 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:02 AM) *

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.


Personally, I rather liked Dooku, even his fight against Yoda(Just for the comic value. I remember watching it in a cinema with a friend, and we couldn't stop laughing at it. It's kind of sad that that fight was still better than anything in Revenge laugh.gif )

And Maul definitely would have been a better choice than Grievous, though maybe have him go toe-to-toe with Mace Windu instead of Obi-Wan. That would have been such a cool fight.

I could see Sidious throwing a third Sith into the mix without any trouble. Part of his plan was that both Grievous and Dooku were expendable, especially once he's decided to make Anakin his apprentice. So if he's planning to kill both Dooku and Maul, all he needs to do is make sure they don't unite against him(easy enough given their characters) and he can just let the Jedi kill them, remain hidden, and recruit Anakin afterwards.


Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 10:51 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).


That was actually one of the things I liked about Dooku. He wasn't in-your-face hostile like Maul was. He was megalomaniacal like Sidious. He was restrained, presented as much as being against the corrupt Jedi order as anything else. And I personally preferred his dueling style to that of the other saber-jockeys in the films, because his usage, in my opinion, was more in line with Obi-Wan's description of the weepon in A New Hope: "An elegant weapon... for a more civilized age.".

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.


Well, with Maul being a more fierce opponent, it would leave Mace skirting the dark side a little closer than usual in order to win. But I agree, it would make for an epic fight which Mace wins. But it would have been the best lightsaber fight in the Star Wars universe!

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.


They could try and reveal Palpatine, but one's a Sith and the other walked out on the Jedi Order to become a Sith. I don't see the Jedi believing either one of them. As for realising Palpatine's penultimate goal; Dooku and Grievous never saw it coming, and both of them were looking at the strategy behind the war. I could see Palpatine taking that risk to make sure he can pull off his plan. It even gives him a little added incentive for sending out Maul in Episode One(I can't bring myself to name that film) since the Jedi wouldn't trust Maul after he openly opposes them as a Sith.


Of course, all of this would have relied on Lucas' ability to pull this off, so it would probably have made the prequels even worse rollinglaugh.gif

Posted by: Uleni Athram Oct 3 2016, 11:09 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Oct 3 2016, 06:51 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).


That was actually one of the things I liked about Dooku. He wasn't in-your-face hostile like Maul was. He was megalomaniacal like Sidious. He was restrained, presented as much as being against the corrupt Jedi order as anything else. And I personally preferred his dueling style to that of the other saber-jockeys in the films, because his usage, in my opinion, was more in line with Obi-Wan's description of the weepon in A New Hope: "An elegant weapon... for a more civilized age.".

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.


Well, with Maul being a more fierce opponent, it would leave Mace skirting the dark side a little closer than usual in order to win. But I agree, it would make for an epic fight which Mace wins. But it would have been the best lightsaber fight in the Star Wars universe!

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 09:52 AM) *

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.


They could try and reveal Palpatine, but one's a Sith and the other walked out on the Jedi Order to become a Sith. I don't see the Jedi believing either one of them. As for realising Palpatine's penultimate goal; Dooku and Grievous never saw it coming, and both of them were looking at the strategy behind the war. I could see Palpatine taking that risk to make sure he can pull off his plan. It even gives him a little added incentive for sending out Maul in Episode One(I can't bring myself to name that film) since the Jedi wouldn't trust Maul after he openly opposes them as a Sith.


Of course, all of this would have relied on Lucas' ability to pull this off, so it would probably have made the prequels even worse rollinglaugh.gif

Less on Lucas' ability to pull it off and more on the Jedi's basic ability to understand what was said to them, really. Like, Dooku actually said to either Anakin or Obi-Wan that the Senate was actually in control of the Sith and come Revenge when the reveal was set up, they were actually surprised! Derp

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 12:10 PM

Essentially all the Sith do is backstab one another. I believe Dooku was fooled into Sidious' plan and genuinely believed he had a part to play in the great Sith-dominated future. Darth Vader was seduced but he also planned on using Sidious to save Padme. After Palpatine revealed himself as a Sith Lord and became his new mentor, I think Vader began to see some similarities with him and Obi-Wan. There's a part in the novel that explains this well enough. In the end Vader wanted to overthrow The Emperor and rule the galaxy with Padme.

I still think the clone inhibitor chip introduced in the Clone Wars cartoon was a bad idea.

The fact that it’s supposed to make clones less independent and more loyal? Got it. Tracking. I can get behind that. The fact that it sort of overrode all brain power and made them compliant zombies for Order 66? Stupid.

They could’ve said that, under direct order, clones knowingly gunned down their own Jedi generals and I would have no problem believing it.

Look who gave the order. The Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic personally contacted clone commanders. That’s like if the President of the United States personally called me and told me that my general was now a traitor to the country. Why would I have reason to doubt the President? He gets intel briefs from echelons and agencies I’ve probably never even heard of. And here he is telling me that my general is compromised. It doesn’t matter if I’m on good terms with the general; once that information is made known, it now colors all my opinions and assumptions.

Not everyone knows the general. It’s great to see how well Torrent Company gets along with Anakin. The 212th with Obi-Wan. The Wolfpack with Plo. In the military, outside of formal ceremonies where you see the brass from a distance, some servicemen have to meet their general face to face. 99% of clones (millions of clones, thousands of Jedi) are NOT going to interact with someone as high ranking as the general. They’re not going to form the bond that the clone commanders had with their superiors. They’re not going to have experiences that would possibly make them question an order from the Supreme Chancellor, and are more prone to follow a command from someone who is considered to outrank even the Jedi.

Contingency plans for worst-case scenarios exist. “If this were to happen, no matter how unlikely, we’ll respond like this.” On the surface, Order 66 appears to be a sensible precaution. It gives clones, bred to be unwaveringly loyal, the ability to remove their general from power if that general becomes compromised. And while you look at Jedi like Obi-Wan and Mace Windu and think, “How would clones ever believe these guys could be bad?” I look at a Jedi like Pong Krell and think, “Order 66 this loser now.”

Their duty is to the Republic, not their general. Solidarity is great, but if your leadership is now believed to be helping the enemy– in any capacity– your friendship is worthless anymore. Order 66 implies their Jedi already betrayed them by working against the interests of the Republic. Betraying the Republic is treason. Treason during warfare is punishable by death. (Civilian mindset: That’s too harsh a punishment! Military mindset: No, it’s not.)

The brain chip strikes me as lazy storytelling from people who don’t grasp the military mindset. It’s the “Greedo shot first” way out of a situation: to make clones look like the victims of the "evil" Palpatine instead of the aggressors. And while it could be argued that the brain chip fully takes away their ability to make decisions, basically turning them into obedient droids and further violating their humanity (adding to the long list of injustices the clones suffered because the Kaminoans saw them as less-than-sentient), it comes across as a cop-out. “The clones aren’t bad. They were taken advantage of! Palpatine’s the only bad one here.”

Without the brain chip, you’re left with: men who were given a direct order from the highest echelon to legally implement a contingency plan they’d had all along to eradicate a superior that was now seen as a willful traitor.

Tell me that clones knowingly, intelligently and voluntarily executed Order 66 against their Jedi leadership, and I’d believe it. Battlefront II had the clones knowing that if came down to it, and the Jedi were deemed traitors to the Republic, they would do it sans hesitation.

Posted by: Cain Oct 3 2016, 01:24 PM

Clone Wars was awesome, I just finished it recently. Sadly, that show got the Anakin the movies should've had.

Totes excited for Rogue One!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 02:30 PM

Me to. Can't wait to see Vader kill some terrorist/Rebel scum!

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 04:06 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Oct 3 2016, 11:09 AM) *

Less on Lucas' ability to pull it off and more on the Jedi's basic ability to understand what was said to them, really. Like, Dooku actually said to either Anakin or Obi-Wan that the Senate was actually in control of the Sith and come Revenge when the reveal was set up, they were actually surprised! Derp


To be fair to the Jedi, I'm not sure if its said just how many knew how clouded the Force had become, and how little the Jedi Council could actually see. And it's not as though Obi-Wan(I'm pretty sure it was him)had any reason to trust Dooku, who was not only one of those who turned away from the Order, but was working with those who'd imprisoned him(If I'm remembering the scene correctly).

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 12:10 PM) *

Essentially all the Sith do is backstab one another. I believe Dooku was fooled into Sidious' plan and genuinely believed he had a part to play in the great Sith-dominated future. Darth Vader was seduced but he also planned on using Sidious to save Padme. After Palpatine revealed himself as a Sith Lord and became his new mentor, I think Vader began to see some similarities with him and Obi-Wan. There's a part in the novel that explains this well enough. In the end Vader wanted to overthrow The Emperor and rule the galaxy with Padme.


Strictly speaking it's not all the Sith do. They have unified numerous times, generally for another crusade against the Republic or the Jedi. But their philosophy does lead them to think a certain way, and knowing what they've done(or would be prepared to do) in the name of acquiring power, it's no real surprise.

Dooku knew what the Jedi had become; enforcers propping up a corrupt and failing Republic, then he learned it was all part of an elaborate and long term Sith scheme. My guess is that he felt more trapped than anything else: It was too late to save the Jedi, centuries too late, and he knew how much damage had been done in previous Sith wars against the Republic. In one of the books he even goes so far as to try and return to the Jedi Order. And Vader was more a dark Jedi than a Sith at that point, considering how at the end of the film he was throwing around words like "evil" in relation to the Jedi(which felt hilariously forced, by the way). And let's face it, Vader's idea of overthrowing Palpatine was far better handled in The Empire Strikes Back.

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 12:10 PM) *

I still think the clone inhibitor chip introduced in the Clone Wars cartoon was a bad idea.

*snip*



Yeah, that does sound like a horrible idea.

But Order 66 was very much a blanket policy. It couldn't be used to remove a general, only to remove that entire level of the chain of command. Having a contingency plan to remove pretty much everyone between the commander-in-chief and the clone commanders in the field does seem a little extreme. But then, the Clone Army was always part of the trap, they just didn't know it.

One of the things I like about some of the Clone Wars books is that some of the clones, usually commandos who have more independence than the standard clone trooper, didn't carry out Order 66. In particular I'm rather fond of the Republic Commando books, though no so much the last one, as they explain(or in other words, patch the holes of) a lot of what went on.

Personally, I think Order 66 has its problems. For one thing, if entire levels of the chain of command have turned traitor, not just certain individuals, then that's the sort of thing that would require actual evidence. If the president of the US issued an order to summarily execute every high ranking officer in the army on charges of treason, without a shred of proof or even the pretense of due process, I sincerely doubt even a single shot would be fired.

And that's the one of the biggest problems the movies have, in my opinion. It's clones versus droids, and frankly you might as well call it meat droids versus metal droids, going on the films. But the more you humanise the clones, the harder it becomes to square that unthinking, unquestioning response to Order 66. Because as far as the film is concerned, not one clone questioned or disobeyed that order. And it's not just Jedi in the field that were being targeted, but those at the Jedi Temple who hadn't even been involved in the fighting. To use your US example again, if the order in the previous paragraph were extended to include the summary execution of children on the same charge, the army would just turn around and arrest the President.

The kind of unthinking obedience displayed by the clones fundamentally undermines any attempt to present them as anything more than droids made of flesh and bone instead of metal. The inhibitor chip is a shoddy patch for a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place, in my opinion.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 05:04 PM

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Yeah, that does sound like a horrible idea.

But Order 66 was very much a blanket policy. It couldn't be used to remove a general, only to remove that entire level of the chain of command. Having a contingency plan to remove pretty much everyone between the commander-in-chief and the clone commanders in the field does seem a little extreme. But then, the Clone Army was always part of the trap, they just didn't know it.

One of the things I like about some of the Clone Wars books is that some of the clones, usually commandos who have more independence than the standard clone trooper, didn't carry out Order 66. In particular I'm rather fond of the Republic Commando books, though no so much the last one, as they explain(or in other words, patch the holes of) a lot of what went on.

Personally, I think Order 66 has its problems. For one thing, if entire levels of the chain of command have turned traitor, not just certain individuals, then that's the sort of thing that would require actual evidence. If the president of the US issued an order to summarily execute every high ranking officer in the army on charges of treason, without a shred of proof or even the pretense of due process, I sincerely doubt even a single shot would be fired.

And that's the one of the biggest problems the movies have, in my opinion. It's clones versus droids, and frankly you might as well call it meat droids versus metal droids, going on the films. But the more you humanise the clones, the harder it becomes to square that unthinking, unquestioning response to Order 66. Because as far as the film is concerned, not one clone questioned or disobeyed that order. And it's not just Jedi in the field that were being targeted, but those at the Jedi Temple who hadn't even been involved in the fighting. To use your US example again, if the order in the previous paragraph were extended to include the summary execution of children on the same charge, the army would just turn around and arrest the President.

The kind of unthinking obedience displayed by the clones fundamentally undermines any attempt to present them as anything more than droids made of flesh and bone instead of metal. The inhibitor chip is a shoddy patch for a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place, in my opinion.


Yes. You're right. When you mention evidence being required and proof for the charges put to light, what comes to mind when Mace Windu essentially tried to murder Palpatine without a trial. But again this brings your point up about the other Jedi in the temple being targeted.

I recall James Luceno's work in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader.

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"The order made no sense at the time," Climber answered for everyone. "We thought it might be a Separatist trick."

"What you 'thought' has no bearing on this," Vader said, pointing at Climber. "You are expected to follow orders."

"And we follow any reasonable ones. Killing our own didn't qualify."

Vader continued to point his forefinger at Climber's chest. "They weren't your allies, squad leader.

They were traitors, and you sided with them."

Climber stood his ground. "Traitors how? Because a few of them tried to arrest Palpatine? I still don't see how that warrants a death penalty for the lot of them."



The issue here was humanizing them in the first place. I am very ticked off the Republic Commando books are non-canon anymore. After Disney took over, plenty of the good stuff was removed and while they may take inspirations from Legends, it won't be the same.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 05:04 PM) *

Yes. You're right. When you mention evidence being required and proof for the charges put to light, what comes to mind when Mace Windu essentially tried to murder Palpatine without a trial. But again this brings your point up about the other Jedi in the temple being targeted.


They tried to arrest Palpatine, who accused them of treason and then attacked, so I wouldn't exactly call it murder.

But there are no redeeming features to that entire sequence. It's just awful from start to finish, to the extent that I had to find a video of it because I'd erased it from my memory.

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 05:04 PM) *

I recall James Luceno's work in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader.

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"The order made no sense at the time," Climber answered for everyone. "We thought it might be a Separatist trick."

"What you 'thought' has no bearing on this," Vader said, pointing at Climber. "You are expected to follow orders."

"And we follow any reasonable ones. Killing our own didn't qualify."

Vader continued to point his forefinger at Climber's chest. "They weren't your allies, squad leader.

They were traitors, and you sided with them."

Climber stood his ground. "Traitors how? Because a few of them tried to arrest Palpatine? I still don't see how that warrants a death penalty for the lot of them."



I love that book. It did so much more for the transformation from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader than the entire prequel trilogy did.

It's kind of funny how the books spend so much times patching holes and generally doing a better job of telling the stories, given Lucas' disdain for the Expanded Universe.

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 05:04 PM) *

I am very ticked off the Republic Commando books are non-canon anymore. After Disney took over, plenty of the good stuff was removed and while they may take inspirations from Legends, it won't be the same.


Well, it looks like they've already started pinching bits from the Expanded Universe, if episode seven is anything to go by. It sounds like they just mixed episode four and Knight of the Old Republic together and made a film out of it.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 3 2016, 07:12 PM

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I love that book. It did so much more for the transformation from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader than the entire prequel trilogy did.

It's kind of funny how the books spend so much times patching holes and generally doing a better job of telling the stories, given Lucas' disdain for the Expanded Universe.

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 05:04 PM) *

I am very ticked off the Republic Commando books are non-canon anymore. After Disney took over, plenty of the good stuff was removed and while they may take inspirations from Legends, it won't be the same.


Well, it looks like they've already started pinching bits from the Expanded Universe, if episode seven is anything to go by. It sounds like they just mixed episode four and Knight of the Old Republic together and made a film out of it.

True. Hell, even the Revenge of the Sith novel did an amazing job with Skywalker in my opinion. The reason he wanted Mastery was to gain access to the holocrons and discover the secret to saving his wife. The movie didn't go full detail.

Maybe because of that's the reasonThe Bearded One hates EU. laugh.gif

Now I meant to say that Mace Windu tried to execute Sidious/Palpatine. The Jedi Masters went to arrest him, he resisted, and then Windu decided that keeping the Sith alive would be dangerous. That's when Anakin interevened. So it was treason . . . from my point of view cool.gif

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 3 2016, 08:13 PM

For fans of Dash Rendar and Shadows of the Empire I give you https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14568115_1174650022594865_225574295473740592_n.jpg?oh=5984eb5256e2167f255e9f9a5b817f22&oe=58642968.
It transforms into a B-wing like attack mode, some say it's not very "movie" accurate but for a collector and before the Star Wars X-wing miniature game came out, its the only thing close to having Dash's cool ship.

Posted by: Cain Oct 3 2016, 08:34 PM

I love that game. I still play it at least once a year.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 3 2016, 08:51 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 3 2016, 07:12 PM) *

True. Hell, even the Revenge of the Sith novel did an amazing job with Skywalker in my opinion. The reason he wanted Mastery was to gain access to the holocrons and discover the secret to saving his wife. The movie didn't go full detail.

Maybe because of that's the reasonThe Bearded One hates EU. laugh.gif

Now I meant to say that Mace Windu tried to execute Sidious/Palpatine. The Jedi Masters went to arrest him, he resisted, and then Windu decided that keeping the Sith alive would be dangerous. That's when Anakin interevened. So it was treason . . . from my point of view cool.gif


The movie didn't really go into any detail.

Well, Palps had killed three Jedi in resisting arrest, so he clearly was dangerous. And even without a lightsaber he could cause plenty of damage with his lightning. And that's before considering the way he's manipulated the Senate, the Jedi Order, and by extension the entire Republic. Threats don't really get any bigger than that.

But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war.

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 3 2016, 08:13 PM) *

For fans of Dash Rendar and Shadows of the Empire I give you https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14568115_1174650022594865_225574295473740592_n.jpg?oh=5984eb5256e2167f255e9f9a5b817f22&oe=58642968.
It transforms into a B-wing like attack mode, some say it's not very "movie" accurate but for a collector and before the Star Wars X-wing miniature game came out, its the only thing close to having Dash's cool ship.


I never played the game, but I read the book. I always thought it was a much better ship than the Falcon, if only because it worked.

But as far as I'm concerned, there's no ship in the Star Wars universe to match the http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ebon_Hawk

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 3 2016, 11:54 PM

QUOTE(Cain @ Oct 3 2016, 02:34 PM) *

I love that game. I still play it at least once a year.


I miss that game, I no longer own a N64 but I could hunt down the Pc version.

Edit:
Speaking of which my Amazon order came in, it's the Micro Machines Shadows of the Empire set with Dash Rendar, Leebo, Luke and IG-88's Hounds Tooth (off screen).
https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14568117_1174953992564468_3991438480310914709_n.jpg?oh=794f00fd80682657ff4faa47eda8264d&oe=5879BF79.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 6 2016, 08:07 PM

I finally found https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14517436_1177327095660491_6556611794975074175_n.jpg?oh=fdebb285e0a8422f8ca818326c23f766&oe=5875072E!!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 6 2016, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 6 2016, 08:07 PM) *

I finally found https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14517436_1177327095660491_6556611794975074175_n.jpg?oh=fdebb285e0a8422f8ca818326c23f766&oe=5875072E!!! biggrin.gif


You mean you think you've found him... laugh.gif

Posted by: SubRosa Oct 6 2016, 10:37 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 6 2016, 03:07 PM) *

I finally found https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14517436_1177327095660491_6556611794975074175_n.jpg?oh=fdebb285e0a8422f8ca818326c23f766&oe=5875072E!!! biggrin.gif

Careful, it could be a trap!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 7 2016, 01:17 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Oct 6 2016, 04:37 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Oct 6 2016, 03:07 PM) *

I finally found https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14517436_1177327095660491_6556611794975074175_n.jpg?oh=fdebb285e0a8422f8ca818326c23f766&oe=5875072E!!! biggrin.gif

Careful, it could be a trap!


https://youtu.be/cH5fM3hVKNM biggrin.gif

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Oct 3 2016, 08:51 PM) *



But I'm a little confused here. Doesn't the fact that he's committing treason, on the highest possible scale, pretty much invalidate his position? I mean, he is the one responsible for the war.


I'd like to think that there's moral ambiguity in the Star Wars Universe, that the Empire and the Emperor at least follow the rule of law, that many of the accusations against the Empire by the rebels are either specious or completely unfounded. But this topic is the one aspect of Star Wars that I absolutely hate, and yet another example of George Lucas' unimaginative writing. Unfortunately, Disney seems to have carried this lack of imagination into The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so the new canon is already fatally flawed.

To answer what you wrote, we know that Emperor Palpatine is not the "good guy" because, at its heart, Star Wars is a staid morality tale with all the usual tropes about good guys and bad guys. Star Wars was even the medium in which the "evil empire" stereotype first developed, later popularized in Reagan's 1983 speech about the Soviet Union. We know that Palpatine is evil because he's a cardboard cut-out of a villain. His outward appearance (hooded and disfigured like your standard Saturday morning cartoon villains), his ridiculous and overly-dramatic mannerisms, and his occasional ranting about absolute power are all the markers of a writer who wanted a prop to stand in as the figurehead of the evil Galactic Empire because he didn't have the time or inclination to create an actual character.

That's the Doylist explanation anyways, which is the only one that makes sense. In the Watsonian explanation, Palpatine would probably argue that he's only evil "... from a Jedi's point of view. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The difference between the two is the Sith are not afraid of the dark side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful."

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 7 2016, 08:58 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM) *

I'd like to think that there's moral ambiguity in the Star Wars Universe, that the Empire and the Emperor at least follow the rule of law, that many of the accusations against the Empire by the rebels are either specious or completely unfounded. But this topic is the one aspect of Star Wars that I absolutely hate, and yet another example of George Lucas' unimaginative writing. Unfortunately, Disney seems to have carried this lack of imagination into The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so the new canon is already fatally flawed.


The only moral ambiguity in the original films is found in the Jedi. Obi-Wan and Yoda train Luke to kill his father in ignorance(without telling him, even though they let Luke live under his real name so that Vader knows), try to stop him saving his friends, and don't really care about the Rebel Alliance, just Vader. And then, in Return of the Jedi, Luke ditches the Rebels on Endor to go on a personal mission to bring his father back from the dark side. Clearly the Jedi aren't the good guys, even though Palpatine and Vader are the bad guys, and I actually like that.

And really, you expected Disney to be imaginative when handed a franchise the size of Star Wars?

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Oct 7 2016, 01:28 AM) *

To answer what you wrote, we know that Emperor Palpatine is not the "good guy" because, at its heart, Star Wars is a staid morality tale with all the usual tropes about good guys and bad guys. Star Wars was even the medium in which the "evil empire" stereotype first developed, later popularized in Reagan's 1983 speech about the Soviet Union. We know that Palpatine is evil because he's a cardboard cut-out of a villain. His outward appearance (hooded and disfigured like your standard Saturday morning cartoon villains), his ridiculous and overly-dramatic mannerisms, and his occasional ranting about absolute power are all the markers of a writer who wanted a prop to stand in as the figurehead of the evil Galactic Empire because he didn't have the time or inclination to create an actual character.

That's the Doylist explanation anyways, which is the only one that makes sense. In the Watsonian explanation, Palpatine would probably argue that he's only evil "... from a Jedi's point of view. The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The difference between the two is the Sith are not afraid of the dark side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful."


Sure, it's a shame that Palpatine's a caricature rather than a character, but this doesn't answer what I asked. Palpatine in the prequels is pretty different to Palpatine in the originals, because he has an actual goal, and a plan to accomplish it. And it's actually a pretty good plan. An army cloned from a bounty hunter who can kill Jedi, a stage-managed war that scatters the Jedi across the Republic, surrounded by clone troopers that they believe to be on their side, and a trap that snaps shut without warning. Top that off with Vader and the only thing that actually goes wrong with his plan is getting disfigured by fighting Windu. And if the prequels had been written half-decently he'd get bonus points for being subtle and manipulative in turning Anakin to the dark side. He's not just a bland, cackling overlord.

But calling Windu trying to kill him treason implies that his actions in no way invalidate his position as Chancellor of the Republic, and that's what I was asking about.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 9 2016, 07:58 PM

Man my Star Wars collection is growing, the newest figures are the U-wing and an Imperial Ground Worker. So far I like the U-wing as it has a pretty neat design to it.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 21 2016, 02:50 AM

Got the new Rogue One Death Star and compared to the old Galoob one it's pretty awesome.

http://s413.photobucket.com/user/sbcmarine81/media/Old%20and%20new_zpslfafcszv.jpg.html

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Oct 21 2016, 03:09 AM

As much as Khajiit loves the Sith, they are always getting their asses kicked.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 21 2016, 07:26 AM

They do have their moments though, even if they end up being chronically overused to set the scale of a story only to lose once it actually gets going. But at least they do better than Dark Jedi.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Oct 21 2016, 08:35 PM

Both Micro Machines Death Star Playsets:

http://s413.photobucket.com/user/sbcmarine81/media/20161021_142456_zpsqxv8ux0j.jpg.html

Posted by: Dark Reaper Nov 28 2016, 03:16 PM

So far I'm looking forward to Rouge One, from all the trailers I've seen it looks like a kick ass film and we get introduced to two new ships, the Tie Striker, U-Wing and a possible Imperial X-Wing Prototype so here's my take.
The Tie Striker from what me and Khajiit could dig up its mostly a planetary patrol and cargo (possibly a troop transport as well) and therefore probably not suited for heavy space combat like the regular tie fighters or interceptors but they could be used if needed as a last ditch effort.

Next is the U-Wing and from what I gather much like the Striker it's mostly a sub-orbital troop transport and close support craft (think A-10 warthog if the A-10 could carry troops). The U-Wing could operate in space but I don't think its meant for heavy space combat like the X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing and B-Wing are.

Lastly from what I think is an Imperial prototype X-wing http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/partisanxwing.jpg and the Dan-o Channel on YouTube kinda agrees with me on, this might be the Imperial's only X-wing and I say that cause from what I've gathered from SW lore the X-Wing was intended for the Galactic Empire but the Incom Corporation being sympathetic to the Rebels gave them some X-Wings but nothing in lore says that the Empire did at least get one and since this Rogue One X-wing has Imperial Colors that's why I think it's the Empire's only X-wing...but that's just a theory---A STAR WARS THEORY! Thanks for watching happy.gif.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 28 2016, 08:12 PM

Khajiit is confused about the state of the canon in the Star Wars franchise now that Disney has bought it. From what he understands, the only thing official is the films and TV shows (The Clone Wars and Rebels), but that leaves a lot up in the air. This one thinks it's safe to say all of the stuff in the expanded universe that happened after RotJ is now irrelevant. What about the stuff that happened before the events of Episode 1? They canonized Darth Bane in the Clone Wars TV series so does that also mean by extension that Revan and all of the events surrounding him are also canon, since it was from one of Revan's holocrons that Darth Bane learned of the "Rule of Two"? So many questions.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Nov 28 2016, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Nov 28 2016, 07:12 PM) *

Khajiit is confused about the state of the canon in the Star Wars franchise now that Disney has bought it. From what he understands, the only thing official is the films and TV shows (The Clone Wars and Rebels), but that leaves a lot up in the air. This one thinks it's safe to say all of the stuff in the expanded universe that happened after RotJ is now irrelevant. What about the stuff that happened before the events of Episode 1? They canonized Darth Bane in the Clone Wars TV series so does that also mean by extension that Revan and all of the events surrounding him are also canon, since it was from one of Revan's holocrons that Darth Bane learned of the "Rule of Two"? So many questions.


Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 28 2016, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Nov 28 2016, 02:11 PM) *

Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

Thanks for the clarification, Khajiit was afraid of this.

Re: Cherry picking
Kylo Ren's character design reeks of knocking off Revan. It's a little different but still pretty much the same.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Nov 28 2016, 09:53 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Nov 28 2016, 08:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Nov 28 2016, 02:11 PM) *

Strictly speaking, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two" wasn't so much learnt from the holocron as a conclusion he came to following what Revan said. It was based on what Revan told him, but it was still Bane's idea.

And I believe that the rule is everything from the Expanded Universe is non-canon, not just the post-RotJ material.

As for the rest, I haven't seen any of the Clone Wars series, but I suspect that what's happened is this: Darth Bane has been canonised to bring in the notion of the Sith playing the long game against the Jedi, and to explain the fact that there are only two Sith(since it contrasts significantly with everything else formerly in the Star Wars Universe that dealt with them). Nothing further is canonised by extension since nothing else is directly necessary.

Though watch out in the new films to see them cherry-picking more elements from the books and games to prop up their stories. They've already started.

Thanks for the clarification, Khajiit was afraid of this.

Re: Cherry picking
Kylo Ren's character design reeks of knocking off Revan. It's a little different but still pretty much the same.


The first time I saw the mask I only caught a glimpse of it, and it left me wondering what Revan was doing on a pack of batteries! rollinglaugh.gif

But a good sized chunk of The Force Awakens reeks of KotOR, blended with A New Hope. I won't even watch it. The only thing I like about it is that kinda funky droid that rolls around, though I don't know how practical that design would actually be.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 28 2016, 10:26 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Nov 28 2016, 02:53 PM) *

The first time I saw the mask I only caught a glimpse of it, and it left me wondering what Revan was doing on a pack of batteries! rollinglaugh.gif

Bahahahaha!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Nov 28 2016, 11:29 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Nov 28 2016, 01:12 PM) *

Khajiit is confused about the state of the canon in the Star Wars franchise now that Disney has bought it.


From what I gathered everything that was in the Expanded Universe is no longer canon (Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade and so on) but is now considered as Legends, but stuff that goes on in Clone Wars, Rebels and the movies are canon. Basically we got a Star Wars Prime and Legends Universe.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 29 2016, 12:05 AM

Yeah, as he said before, Khajiit was afraid of that. Shame. There was some good stuff in there, especially with the BBY stuff.

Posted by: SubRosa Nov 29 2016, 01:15 AM

I really do not care. Whether a story is considered "canon" or not by whatever company currently owns the rights to the Star Wars universe does not make it any more or less entertaining. A good story is a good story, and is worth reading or watching on its own merit.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 29 2016, 02:02 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 28 2016, 06:15 PM) *

I really do not care. Whether a story is considered "canon" or not by whatever company currently owns the rights to the Star Wars universe does not make it any more or less entertaining. A good story is a good story, and is worth reading or watching on its own merit.

True, but it does make this one a bit bitter when excellent stories like KotOR are relegated to little more than fan fiction after having been canon for years.

Posted by: SubRosa Nov 29 2016, 02:11 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Nov 28 2016, 08:02 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 28 2016, 06:15 PM) *

I really do not care. Whether a story is considered "canon" or not by whatever company currently owns the rights to the Star Wars universe does not make it any more or less entertaining. A good story is a good story, and is worth reading or watching on its own merit.

True, but it does make this one a bit bitter when excellent stories like KotOR are relegated to little more than fan fiction after having been canon for years.

I have read many fan fiction stories that are far superior to books in print. So I do not see anything to be bitter about. Life is too short to be bitter of things an entertainment company does. Search your feelings. Let go of your hate! smile.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 29 2016, 03:21 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 28 2016, 07:11 PM) *

I have read many fan fiction stories that are far superior to books in print. So I do not see anything to be bitter about. Life is too short to be bitter of things an entertainment company does. Search your feelings. Let go of your hate! smile.gif

Perhaps "bitter" wasn't the word Khajiit was looking for. "Annoyed" probably fits better. This one definitely isn't losing any sleep over it tongue.gif

Posted by: Dark Reaper Nov 29 2016, 05:02 AM

Bought a new Star Wars figure today, the Black series http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/51390793_Alt01?wid=450&hei=450&fmt=pjpeg. I've been trying to find Director Krennic but I can only find him online.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Nov 29 2016, 05:11 AM

I am very disappointed the Boba Fett movie was cancelled. Should've been Han Solo. Aren't we all a little tired of seeing this one-sided treatment?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 29 2016, 06:23 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Nov 28 2016, 10:11 PM) *

I am very disappointed the Boba Fett movie was cancelled. Should've been Han Solo. Aren't we all a little tired of seeing this one-sided treatment?

*Khajiit raises hand*
This one is!

Posted by: SubRosa Nov 30 2016, 12:06 AM

In more cheerful Star Wars news, I have figured out who the Imperial in the white uniform is in the Rogue One trailers. He is Orson Krennic, the Director of the Imperial Military's Advanced Weapons Research division. He is one of the main characters in Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel. He plays a large part in the building of the Death Star, though certainly not the only major figure in the project.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 30 2016, 12:27 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 29 2016, 05:06 PM) *

In more cheerful Star Wars news, I have figured out who the Imperial in the white uniform is in the Rogue One trailers. He is Orson Krennic, the Director of the Imperial Military's Advanced Weapons Research division. He is one of the main characters in Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel. He plays a large part in the building of the Death Star, though certainly not the only major figure in the project.

It should be interesting seeing the Deathstar come together and the mission to steal the plans.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Nov 30 2016, 02:26 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 30 2016, 12:06 AM) *

In more cheerful Star Wars news, I have figured out who the Imperial in the white uniform is in the Rogue One trailers. He is Orson Krennic, the Director of the Imperial Military's Advanced Weapons Research division. He is one of the main characters in Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel. He plays a large part in the building of the Death Star, though certainly not the only major figure in the project.

Yep. Apparently he and Vader has issues. Orson has rose through the ranks like a soldier. He values force while Vader puts more faith in The Force.




https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquisitr.com/2741439/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-darth-vader-droids-and-death-troopers-spoilers/amp/?client=safari

Posted by: SubRosa Nov 30 2016, 10:31 PM

Orson and Tarkin have issues as well. Both were vying for control of the Death Star project. A setback got Orson demoted to just leading up the superlaser project. But Orson got back at Tarkin by miring him in a protracted war on an Outer Rim world (thus pulling him out of the Death Star project, at least temporarily).

I am almost done with Catalyst, and made another Rogue One discovery. Forest Whitaker is playing Saw Gerrera, whom you all might remember from the Onderon insurgency story arc from The Clone Wars. He was one of the young insurgents there. Now a lot older and worse for wear, he is still a resistance fighter.

I remember when I was watching that story arc that the Onderons were being taught by the Jedi to fight a guerrilla war against a superior, conventional army. Not to mention to use force rather than diplomacy to solve political problems. That experience does not just evaporate when the war is over, and it did not with Saw. The same insurgents the Jedi trained to fight the Separatists became the Rebel Alliance.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 11 2016, 02:34 AM

6 more days till Rouge One comes out...I can't wait panic.gif .
I might not see it on opening day but definitely within the first week or two.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 11 2016, 09:16 PM

Mmmmm mmm mmmm. I have been validated all those years ago.


Posted by: Darkness Eternal Dec 14 2016, 11:06 PM

Just watched a leaked scene to Rogue One and . . .


Posted by: Darkness Eternal Dec 15 2016, 11:36 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 11 2016, 09:16 PM) *

Mmmmm mmm mmmm. I have been validated all those years ago.



If this happens I'll be really Disappointed. It's so predictable they its not even funny. I don't even watch Star Wars Rebels. But just a few clips with Maul, Thrawn and Vader.

Maul shouldn't even have been brought back. Now I know exactly what they are going to do with his character.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 16 2016, 01:08 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Dec 16 2016, 07:36 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 11 2016, 09:16 PM) *

Mmmmm mmm mmmm. I have been validated all those years ago.



If this happens I'll be really Disappointed. It's so predictable they its not even funny. I don't even watch Star Wars Rebels. But just a few clips with Maul, Thrawn and Vader.

Maul shouldn't even have been brought back. Now I know exactly what they are going to do with his character.


Hey who knows, right?


Posted by: Darkness Eternal Dec 16 2016, 01:10 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 16 2016, 01:08 AM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Dec 16 2016, 07:36 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 11 2016, 09:16 PM) *

Mmmmm mmm mmmm. I have been validated all those years ago.



If this happens I'll be really Disappointed. It's so predictable they its not even funny. I don't even watch Star Wars Rebels. But just a few clips with Maul, Thrawn and Vader.

Maul shouldn't even have been brought back. Now I know exactly what they are going to do with his character.


Hey who knows, right?




Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 16 2016, 02:21 AM

I ordered a Director Krennick action figure today from Amazon, I've tried my damndest to find him in stores but alas I couldn't find him. Well that's why I love Amazon.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 16 2016, 05:54 AM

Imperial fans... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIdXOTeXskw!

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 16 2016, 10:36 PM

GOIZ
BOIZ

STAR WARS: FORCE ARENA = MOBA/RTS HYBRID
FOR ANDROID/iOS

THOUGHTS?

Posted by: Jaxbey Dec 17 2016, 02:09 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Atehram @ Dec 16 2016, 11:36 PM) *

GOIZ
BOIZ

STAR WARS: FORCE ARENA = MOBA/RTS HYBRID
FOR ANDROID/iOS

THOUGHTS?


Is the new movie any good?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 18 2016, 09:34 PM

Haven't seen it yet but my friends swear up and down that it's WHOOP WHOOP DURR levels of awesomeness.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 18 2016, 09:53 PM

*Sigh* Khajiit wishes they would make movies based on events from the Star Wars universe's vast history. We know the canon behind the Rebellion against the Galactic Empire, how about canonizing some of the stuff that was left "up in the air" after Disney's take over of the franchise?

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 18 2016, 11:35 PM

Rogue One is good. Just don't get too attached to anyone. It is a war movie, not a fun space adventure. Main characters are not immune to death.


QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 18 2016, 03:53 PM) *

*Sigh* Khajiit wishes they would make movies based on events from the Star Wars universe's vast history. We know the canon behind the Rebellion against the Galactic Empire, how about canonizing some of the stuff that was left "up in the air" after Disney's take over of the franchise?

On one hand I would like to see a movie based off the events in KOTOR. But when I think about it, my idea of Revan and who she is, is so firmly planted in my mind from playing the game that any movie portrayal would just annoy me. Because it would not be my Revan, and my Revan is way better than anything Disney could ever do. Because she is mine.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 18 2016, 11:48 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 18 2016, 04:35 PM) *

It is good. Just don't get too attached to anyone. It is a war movie, not a fun space adventure. Main characters are not immune to death.
Sounds good to this one!

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 18 2016, 04:35 PM) *

On one hand I would like to see a movie based off the events in KOTOR. But when I think about it, my idea of Revan and who she is, is so firmly planted in my mind from playing the game that any movie portrayal would just annoy me. Because it would not be my Revan, and my Revan is way better than anything Disney could ever do. Because she is mine.

Khajiit was thinking a movie (or series) about the Mandalorian Wars would be cool if they followed the experience of everyday people who served under Revan and Malak. This way they could keep the events (and Revan's gender) ambiguous but we'd still get to witness Revan and Malak's fall to the Darkside. Not to mention... BADASS MANDALORIANS!!

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 18 2016, 11:54 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 18 2016, 08:53 PM) *

*Sigh* Khajiit wishes they would make movies based on events from the Star Wars universe's vast history. We know the canon behind the Rebellion against the Galactic Empire, how about canonizing some of the stuff that was left "up in the air" after Disney's take over of the franchise?


Disney don't want to canonise anything they don't need to, simply because it would create potential restraints in their milking of the franchise. After all, everyone knew that Lucas spent years bitching about the EU, and ignored it completely when making the prequels. Why legitimise anything not under their direct control?

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 18 2016, 10:35 PM) *

One one hand I would like to see a movie based off the events in KOTOR. But when I think about it, my idea of Revan and who she is, is so firmly planted in my mind from playing the game that any movie portrayal would just annoy me. Because it would not be my Revan, and my Revan is way better than anything Disney could ever do. Because she is mine.


If The Force Awakens is anything to go by, they seem to be borrowing from it and the sequel already, so you might get a whole trilogy based off them and the original trilogy.

As for the rest, one of the best aspects of KotOR2 was how they handled the presentation of Revan. Just enough options in conversation to allow an outline, and vague enough to avoid contradictions. It's a shame they ruined it all by canonising the genders of Revan and the Exile.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 19 2016, 12:10 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 18 2016, 04:54 PM) *

Disney don't want to canonise anything they don't need to, simply because it would create potential restraints in their milking of the franchise. After all, everyone knew that Lucas spent years bitching about the EU, and ignored it completely when making the prequels. Why legitimise anything not under their direct control?
That's a good point.

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 18 2016, 04:54 PM) *

If The Force Awakens is anything to go by, they seem to be borrowing from it and the sequel already, so you might get a whole trilogy based off them and the original trilogy.

As for the rest, one of the best aspects of KotOR2 was how they handled the presentation of Revan. Just enough options in conversation to allow an outline, and vague enough to avoid contradictions. It's a shame they ruined it all by canonising the genders of Revan and the Exile.
Khajiit must have missed the things borrowed from KotOR in TFA (besides Kylo's costume design being similar to Revan's). Can you give some more examples?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 19 2016, 12:41 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 18 2016, 11:10 PM) *
Khajiit must have missed the things borrowed from KotOR in TFA (besides Kylo's costume design being similar to Revan's). Can you give some more examples?


Easier for me to link to a list than type right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xfbor/spoilers_kotor_influence_in_the_force_awakens/

Mix some elements of KotOR 1&2 with A New Hope, and you've probably got about 3/4 of the plot

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 19 2016, 12:58 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 18 2016, 05:41 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 18 2016, 11:10 PM) *
Khajiit must have missed the things borrowed from KotOR in TFA (besides Kylo's costume design being similar to Revan's). Can you give some more examples?


Easier for me to link to a list than type right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xfbor/spoilers_kotor_influence_in_the_force_awakens/

Mix some elements of KotOR 1&2 with A New Hope, and you've probably got about 3/4 of the plot

Damn. Now Khajiit feels like he wasn't paying attention at all while watching TFA, lol

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 20 2016, 02:12 AM

Well I finally got https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15665492_1257657330960800_1343635092829343114_n.jpg?oh=59bb4982b0f85248fd7f608d6d0a5a8a&oe=58FC4DE2! I had to buy him off of Amazon so logically I should find him in stores now...absolutely.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 20 2016, 02:23 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 19 2016, 07:12 PM) *

Well I finally got https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15665492_1257657330960800_1343635092829343114_n.jpg?oh=59bb4982b0f85248fd7f608d6d0a5a8a&oe=58FC4DE2! I had to buy him off of Amazon so logically I should find him in stores now...absolutely.

Lol, oh yeah, you will definitely find it in stores now, naturally!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 20 2016, 03:20 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 07:23 PM) *

Lol, oh yeah, you will definitely find it in stores now, naturally!


Happens every time lol laugh.gif .

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 20 2016, 04:22 AM

While we are on the subject of action figures...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AWFKM7S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482204049&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=hasbro+darth+revan&dpPl=1&dpID=5106cmGjlkL&ref=plSrch

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 20 2016, 04:30 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 09:22 PM) *

While we are on the subject of action figures...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AWFKM7S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482204049&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=hasbro+darth+revan&dpPl=1&dpID=5106cmGjlkL&ref=plSrch


Cool I actually have a Dark Malgus figure somewhere in my collection.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 20 2016, 04:36 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 19 2016, 09:30 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 09:22 PM) *

While we are on the subject of action figures...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AWFKM7S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482204049&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=hasbro+darth+revan&dpPl=1&dpID=5106cmGjlkL&ref=plSrch


Cool I actually have a Dark Malgus figure somewhere in my collection.

Oh is that the Old Republic villain?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 20 2016, 04:44 AM

Black Series, eh? What about S.H Figuarts? What do you guys think about them? Their Star Wars figurines are legit as all hell; I have Darth Maul, natch, and the quality is superb!

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIG-KAI-9314

Come February I'm thinking on buying Obi-Wan (Ep.1), RotJ!Luke and Mace Windu.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 20 2016, 04:47 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 19 2016, 09:44 PM) *

Black Series, eh? What about S.H Figuarts? What do you guys think about them? Their Star Wars figurines are legit as all hell; I have Darth Maul, natch, and the quality is superb!

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIG-KAI-9314

Come February I'm thinking on buying Obi-Wan (Ep.1), RotJ!Luke and Mace Windu.

Wow those do look really good!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 20 2016, 09:27 AM

Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Rogue One in theaters for Christmas if the weather holds out. I still haven't seen it yet and I've been good at avoiding spoilers.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 20 2016, 09:34 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 20 2016, 02:27 AM) *

Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Rogue One in theaters for Christmas if the weather holds out. I still haven't seen it yet and I've been good at avoiding spoilers.

*Spoiler Alert!!* They get the Death Star plans!!! Lol biggrin.gif

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 20 2016, 09:40 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 20 2016, 05:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 20 2016, 02:27 AM) *

Hopefully this week I'll be able to watch Rogue One in theaters for Christmas if the weather holds out. I still haven't seen it yet and I've been good at avoiding spoilers.

*Spoiler Alert!!* They get the Death Star plans!!! Lol biggrin.gif

*inhales*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*cries in a corner*

LOLOLOLOL

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 20 2016, 11:55 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 09:36 PM) *

Oh is that the Old Republic villain?


Yep happy.gif.

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 20 2016, 02:34 AM) *

*Spoiler Alert!!* They get the Death Star plans!!! Lol biggrin.gif


Well spoil it for me, what next you're going to tell me that they give the plans to a young Princess Leia who then get's attacked by Vader who goes on to destroy Alderaan tongue.gif .

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 22 2016, 09:07 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 07:23 PM) *

Lol, oh yeah, you will definitely find it in stores now, naturally!


https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15697399_1259897947403405_7121923467799629814_n.jpg?oh=2689dd2586756beaae1d469680eb7c1f&oe=58DD0AF9.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 23 2016, 05:51 AM

Well I finally saw Rogue One and I LOVES IT!!!!!!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 23 2016, 05:58 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 20 2016, 04:55 AM) *

Well spoil it for me, what next you're going to tell me that they give the plans to a young Princess Leia who then get's attacked by Vader who goes on to destroy Alderaan tongue.gif .
Bahahahaha!


QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 22 2016, 02:07 PM) *

https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15697399_1259897947403405_7121923467799629814_n.jpg?oh=2689dd2586756beaae1d469680eb7c1f&oe=58DD0AF9.
Wow. You called it!


QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 22 2016, 10:51 PM) *

Well I finally saw Rogue One and I LOVES IT!!!!!!

Hoping to see it maybe Christmas Day. Hmm, watching Star Wars on Christmas Day is becoming something of a tradition...

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Dec 23 2016, 07:13 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 20 2016, 11:55 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 19 2016, 09:36 PM) *

Oh is that the Old Republic villain?


Yep happy.gif.

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 20 2016, 02:34 AM) *

*Spoiler Alert!!* They get the Death Star plans!!! Lol biggrin.gif


Well spoil it for me, what next you're going to tell me that they give the plans to a young Princess Leia who then get's attacked by Vader who goes on to destroy Alderaan tongue.gif .

You meant Tarkin who goes out to destroy Alderaan! Haha.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 23 2016, 07:13 AM

So far Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie I loved every minuet of it, so of course I watched HelloGreedo's review of it and I agree with some of what he said and disagreed with others.

{Spoilers Ahead}



I give the movie an A or A- (4.5/5) it did have some rough edges in the beginning but once that final act hit, it was a fantastic closing to a space opera.

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 23 2016, 08:31 PM

One of the things I liked about Rogue One is that it is literally the opening crawl of A New Hope. If I had not already watched A New Hope a few months ago, I would have pulled it out to watch again after I got home from seeing Rogue One. When Rogue One comes out on disc, I do plan to watch them back to back.



I got the spoiler working. Apparently it was the smiley I used inside the spoiler text that made it all invisible.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 24 2016, 10:26 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 23 2016, 01:31 PM) *

<snip>




https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/310RBV8K09L.jpg

Posted by: mirocu Dec 24 2016, 10:36 AM

I think since it's Christmas we should bring in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6PwQcCIXo, no? laugh.gif

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 24 2016, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 24 2016, 09:36 AM) *

I think since it's Christmas we should bring in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6PwQcCIXo, no? laugh.gif


We DO NOT SPEAK of such things nono.gif

*shudders*


Anyway, was in the bookshop earlier, and ended up buying myself something of an early christmas present:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Bounty-Hunter-Files/dp/1783290803/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482605982&sr=1-1&keywords=the+bounty+hunter+code

Because there was no way I was saying no to that biggrin.gif

And it goes fairly nicely with my copy of https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Manual-Students-Force-x/dp/0857685872/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482606488&sr=1-1&keywords=the+jedi+path biggrin.gif


Edit: Many typos and errors died to bring you this information...

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 24 2016, 08:13 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 24 2016, 01:05 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 24 2016, 09:36 AM) *

I think since it's Christmas we should bring in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6PwQcCIXo, no? laugh.gif


We DO NOT SPEAK of such things nono.gif

*shudders*


Anyway, was in the bookshop earlier, and ended up buying myself something of an early christmas present:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Bounty-Hunter-Files/dp/1783290803/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482605982&sr=1-1&keywords=the+bounty+hunter+code

Because there was no way I was saying no to that biggrin.gif

And it goes fairly nicely with my copy of https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Manual-Students-Force-x/dp/0857685872/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482606488&sr=1-1&keywords=the+jedi+path biggrin.gif


Edit: Many typos and errors died to bring you this information...

Ooh! Khajiit wants the bounty hunter book and the cool looking Sith one!

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 24 2016, 08:16 PM

I'm still undecided on the Sith one.

The Imperial Handbook- A Commander's Guide on the other hand, sounds interesting...

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 26 2016, 03:34 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 24 2016, 01:16 PM) *

I'm still undecided on the Sith one.

ohmy.gif
Khajiit finds your lack of faith disturbing. tongue.gif


Just saw Rogue One. Definitely entertaining. Only real complaints were not the film's fault but our crappy theatre's. Look forward to seeing it again on my hd tv.
Highlights:

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 26 2016, 03:46 AM

The droid was Kay Too. Short for K-2SO. He had the funniest lines.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 26 2016, 03:53 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 25 2016, 08:46 PM) *

The droid was Kay Too. Short for K-2SO. He had the funniest lines.

Lol, this one isn't sure. Vader had a pretty good one that Khajiit chuckled at.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 26 2016, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 26 2016, 11:53 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 25 2016, 08:46 PM) *

The droid was Kay Too. Short for K-2SO. He had the funniest lines.

Lol, this one isn't sure. Vader had a pretty good one that Khajiit chuckled at.

I choked on my snack when he made that one lol

*wink wink nudge nudge*

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 26 2016, 11:51 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 26 2016, 02:34 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 24 2016, 01:16 PM) *

I'm still undecided on the Sith one.

ohmy.gif
Khajiit finds your lack of faith disturbing. tongue.gif


What can I say? I've always preferred the Jedi to the Sith. The Sith approach just seems counter-intuitive.

Also, poking around online I'm not too keen on the characters that wrote the sections. Sorzus Syn and Darth Bane's sound promising, though I had to go to Wookiepedia to find out who the former was. I've got a book featuring Darth Malgus, and I didn't really think much of him. Talzin and Plagueis are in the wrong era for me really, and Sidious' section might have some interest to it, but he pops up in what might be the dullest period for the Sith.

Now, if the book had featured sections by Revan and Malak, or some of the ancient Sith Lords mentioned in KotOR2, I'd be all over it.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 26 2016, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 26 2016, 04:51 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 26 2016, 02:34 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Dec 24 2016, 01:16 PM) *

I'm still undecided on the Sith one.

ohmy.gif
Khajiit finds your lack of faith disturbing. tongue.gif


What can I say? I've always preferred the Jedi to the Sith. The Sith approach just seems counter-intuitive.

Also, poking around online I'm not too keen on the characters that wrote the sections. Sorzus Syn and Darth Bane's sound promising, though I had to go to Wookiepedia to find out who the former was. I've got a book featuring Darth Malgus, and I didn't really think much of him. Talzin and Plagueis are in the wrong era for me really, and Sidious' section might have some interest to it, but he pops up in what might be the dullest period for the Sith.

Now, if the book had featured sections by Revan and Malak, or some of the ancient Sith Lords mentioned in KotOR2, I'd be all over it.

Yeah the Sith are always getting their butts kicked. Are these books you've been looking at considered canon?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 27 2016, 12:04 PM

According to this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends

Anything that was part of the EU before Disney took over was declared non-canon and was put under the "Legends" banner. The Bounty Hunter Code was written after that, but also carries the "Legends" banner. I don't know about the Imperial Handbook and the Book of Sith, but I'm guessing they're the same. In fact, poking around on Wookipedia reveals that the Imperial Handbook is definitely in the "Legends" section, and suggests that the Book of Sith is also.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 27 2016, 07:46 PM

Well crap Princess/General Organa/Solo has left us today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/iconic-star-wars-actress-carrie-174459671.html . sad.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 27 2016, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 27 2016, 12:46 PM) *

Well crap Princess/General Organa/Solo has left us today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/iconic-star-wars-actress-carrie-174459671.html . sad.gif

Booo 2016! Boooo!

Posted by: SubRosa Dec 27 2016, 08:40 PM

sad.gif And she was my favorite of the original characters.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 27 2016, 08:57 PM

I made a tribute video for her using Star Wars Battlefront: https://youtu.be/fgbJMZbHZpI

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Dec 27 2016, 11:47 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 27 2016, 07:33 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Dec 27 2016, 12:46 PM) *

Well crap Princess/General Organa/Solo has left us today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/iconic-star-wars-actress-carrie-174459671.html . sad.gif

Booo 2016! Boooo!


This.

2016 has been a full-blown psychopath. sad.gif

Posted by: Winter Wolf Dec 28 2016, 02:04 AM

Incredible that such a young actress could carry the whole scene by herself in Star Wars IV.

I heard some audio on the radio yesterday after the news came through and they played the 'I smelled your foul stench the minute you walked on-board' dialogue and it made me smile.

Very impressive to be able to put that much scorn into one's voice. She was very talented and will be missed.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 28 2016, 02:38 AM

QUOTE(Winter Wolf @ Dec 27 2016, 07:04 PM) *

Very impressive to be able to put that much scorn into one's voice. She was very talented and will be missed.

And to Peter Cushing no less! Peter Cushing will forever be one of this one's favorite actors. Whether he was Dr. Victor Frankenstein or Wilhuf Tarkin, he was very believable. That Carrie Fisher could walk on the same stage and steal the scene is, as Vader would say, "Impressive. Most impressive.".

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 28 2016, 04:52 AM

No.
Please, just no.
No.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Dec 29 2016, 03:22 AM

Well Carrie's mother sadly passed away today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/debbie-reynolds-dies-84-just-014354818.html .

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Dec 29 2016, 03:26 AM

WTF?!!!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Dec 29 2016, 03:29 AM

What? No! That's terrible! ohmy.gif sad.gif

Posted by: Uleni Athram Dec 29 2016, 06:02 AM

No. Stop, just please. Stop. No.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 11 2017, 03:15 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 10 2017, 07:08 PM) *

I think that can be explained with two words: George Lucas. Contrast that with The Clone Wars, where he was not the writer. He had final say over the series, but he was not the one doing the actual writing, or day to day direction or production.

That's a very good point.

This one felt literally nothing for Anakin in the prequel films but thinks we should be feeling like his fall was very tragic. He was supposed to be this big Jedi hero whose fatal flaw was that he was afraid to let go of his loved ones, but throughout the PT he doesn't really come off as very heroic. He's brash, and arrogant, which honestly aren't strikes against him, but the incessant moodiness and whining we get from him just makes Khajiit very unsympathetic to his character. The most heartbreaking things about Anakin's fall in the PT were the deaths of the Younglings and Obi Wan's pain when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar, but this one feels nothing for Anakin himself. Just seems like a grave disservice was done to the character of Anakin Skywalker in the PT. When Khajiit saw season 1 of The Clone Wars he thought "Finally! This is the Anakin Skywalker we've been missing all these years!".

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 11 2017, 03:57 AM

I felt the same way about Anakin in the prequel films. He was just a whiny brat. I am sure the Anakin from the Clone Wars tv show was the character we were supposed to see. Like you said, that Anakin is a strong character with qualities one can easily admire, such as his unswerving loyalty to and faith in his friends. Yet he is also a person whose flaws become slowly apparent as the show progresses.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 11 2017, 06:57 AM

Yes the show captured Anakin's personality quite well. That's one thing I enjoyed so much about the Clone Wars. He's progressed so much.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 11 2017, 11:21 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 10 2017, 11:14 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 10 2017, 04:00 PM) *

Stop trying to derail this Star Wars discussion nono.gif

As for The Clone Wars I never saw much of a reason to be interested. It's meat droids versus metal droids, with Jedi/Sith handlers. I've read some of the books set in the Clone Wars, and it's never the war itself that's interesting. The only ones I really liked are the Republic Commando ones, because they go so far outside the films to properly justify making real characters out of the clone commandos.

There's more to it than just the battles between the Clones and Battledroids. There's bounty hunters, pirates, and deeper exploration into the nature of The Force and its Dark and Light sides. Not to mention an Anakin Skywalker that is a lot more interesting than the one we got in the films.


Okay, but none of that is new to the Star Wars universe. The only thing it adds is the setting, and it's one that's of no real interest to me.

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 11 2017, 02:15 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 10 2017, 07:08 PM) *

I think that can be explained with two words: George Lucas. Contrast that with The Clone Wars, where he was not the writer. He had final say over the series, but he was not the one doing the actual writing, or day to day direction or production.

That's a very good point.

This one felt literally nothing for Anakin in the prequel films but thinks we should be feeling like his fall was very tragic. He was supposed to be this big Jedi hero whose fatal flaw was that he was afraid to let go of his loved ones, but throughout the PT he doesn't really come off as very heroic. He's brash, and arrogant, which honestly aren't strikes against him, but the incessant moodiness and whining we get from him just makes Khajiit very unsympathetic to his character. The most heartbreaking things about Anakin's fall in the PT were the deaths of the Younglings and Obi Wan's pain when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar, but this one feels nothing for Anakin himself. Just seems like a grave disservice was done to the character of Anakin Skywalker in the PT. When Khajiit saw season 1 of The Clone Wars he thought "Finally! This is the Anakin Skywalker we've been missing all these years!".


Lucas can't do characters. That's the main reason for the whole "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first" debacle. And anyone who's watched Star Wars on dvd can see just how much he vandalised that scene in making Greedo shoot first. Lucas is one of the few people who actually likes jar jar binks. Let me say that once more, so it can properly sink in: George Lucas likes jar jar binks. Clearly, he doesn't even know what a good character looks like.

Posted by: ghastley Jan 11 2017, 02:56 PM

Jar-Jar Binks is the character everyone talks about, even if it's just to hate him. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Characters you can easily hate are just as important to a franchise, as they make everyone else look good.

Lucas sees the money side of Jar-Jar, not the idiotic side.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 11 2017, 06:06 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 11 2017, 04:21 AM) *

Okay, but none of that is new to the Star Wars universe. The only thing it adds is the setting, and it's one that's of no real interest to me.

Well, one could say that it actually adds an Anakin Skywalker that people could care about, lol.

Anyway, it's a 30 minute an episode show spread over several seasons. Easy watching. The characters are well done for the most part (looking at you Ziro the Hutt!) and there are some interesting storylines. Also keep in mind, the new canon is coming directly from these TV shows too. That said, Khajiit want try to convince you anymore. He respects your decision either way!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 11 2017, 11:51 PM

Eh. I have mixed feelings about the Clone Wars. Especially with Dave Feloni running it. I absolutely
Hate Rebels. It's all so one-sided that it's ridiculous but hell its the name of the show so I can't complain.

The Clone Wars retconned a lot of stuff even before the Disney wipe.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 12 2017, 04:45 AM

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 12 2017, 04:45 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 09:45 PM) *

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 12 2017, 05:00 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 09:45 PM) *

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Force Arena. It's basically the clunky love child between DotA/LoL/Vainglory and that Clash Royale shindig.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 12 2017, 05:21 AM

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 09:45 PM) *

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Force Arena. It's basically the clunky love child between DotA/LoL/Vainglory and that Clash Royale shindig.

Lol, Khajiit doesn't know what those initials are for tongue.gif

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 23 2017, 06:19 PM

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'


Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 23 2017, 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 23 2017, 06:47 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 24 2017, 02:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.


Probably the latter. With the way things were from Episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if they offed Luke (Rey, I'm NOT your fatheeeeerrrghhhhhh...) and instigate Rey as the first Last and all that jazz. I also agree with you on being just sick and tired of this whole Last of his Jedi Kind shindig; but instead of the Skywalkers, I'm hoping for a different .... Legacy, shall we say, this time around. Let the other Jedi take the spotlight for once; loke a descendant of Kenobi or Windu or Generic Jedi #1283939272282638. Or quite possibly even a descendant of Revan.

Did you know that Revan and Bane actually had a scene with The Son during the Mortis Arc, but got deleted? Hooo boy.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 23 2017, 09:51 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:47 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 24 2017, 02:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.


Probably the latter. With the way things were from Episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if they offed Luke (Rey, I'm NOT your fatheeeeerrrghhhhhh...) and instigate Rey as the first Last and all that jazz. I also agree with you on being just sick and tired of this whole Last of his Jedi Kind shindig; but instead of the Skywalkers, I'm hoping for a different .... Legacy, shall we say, this time around. Let the other Jedi take the spotlight for once; loke a descendant of Kenobi or Windu or Generic Jedi #1283939272282638. Or quite possibly even a descendant of Revan.

Did you know that Revan and Bane actually had a scene with The Son during the Mortis Arc, but got deleted? Hooo boy.
Yes, Khajiit was indeed aware of this. Unfortunate, that.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Jan 23 2017, 09:52 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'


http://kryptonradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/last-unicorn.jpg.

Sounds like Luke's going to be the main center piece in this episode, I really hope Captain Phasma plays a Bigger role in this film and hold a somewhat hostile grudge towards Fynn. In all I want this movie to rival Rogue One, sure R1 had a clunky start but man did the second half of the movie kick so much ass. I want Episode 8 to pull no punches, don't copy anymore of the original trilogy, no super weapons or at least no more Death Stars. I want balls to the walls excitement and Star Wars goodness.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 23 2017, 09:59 PM

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 23 2017, 11:32 PM

They already set up that Luke was off looking for the first Jedi temple. This part is pure speculation, but I imagine his failure with Kylo/Ben made him distrust his teaching ability, so perhaps he went looking for some old school info on how to be a better teacher there. So we know that is what he has been up too. Perhaps the temple is on Ahch-To (the island at the end of Force Awakens). Or maybe it is somewhere else.

In any case, Luke needs to die. Otherwise the new characters cannot go forward in their own story arcs. Just as Kenobi and Yoda had to die so that Luke would have to be the one to step up in the original films. If Kenobi had lived through A New Hope, he would have been the main character, and Luke just his sidekick/Padawan. That is why even though Han is in Force Awakens, they keep his role to that of the same kind of mentor that Obi-Wan was. Otherwise it would have just been a Han Solo movie.

It is clear that they want the new characters of Rey, Finn, and Poe to be the stars of the new trilogy. The original characters are there to provide an anchor to the past films. But they are the heroes of the past.

Plus, that is what happened in the old movies, and JJ Abrams is incapable of doing anything original. All he can do is copy what better writers have already done before. Force Awakens is proof of that.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 23 2017, 11:43 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 23 2017, 11:51 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 24 2017, 03:09 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 26 2017, 01:55 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 09:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! laugh.gif I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 09:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! laugh.gif I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.

Yeah. Sheev. *cringe*
Lucky for him his last name (when combined with "Emperor") and his Sith name are pretty decent (imo).

Khajiit would definitely prefer Snoke and them to be a different brand of Darksider than Sith.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 04:38 AM

Khajiit has always wondered...
What ensures that there is only ever two Sith Lords with the "Rule of Two"? Do they have every single Sith relic under lock and key? Weren't there Sith holocrons in the Jedis' custody as late as the destruction of the Jedi Temple by Vader?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 26 2017, 05:40 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 26 2017, 12:38 PM) *

Khajiit has always wondered...
What ensures that there is only ever two Sith Lords with the "Rule of Two"? Do they have every single Sith relic under lock and key? Weren't there Sith holocrons in the Jedis' custody as late as the destruction of the Jedi Temple by Vader?

Some of them were fake, like Sorzus Syn's (the original never left their possession). And I'd hazard a guess that the rest would contain knowledge so inconsequential that the Sith Lords basically just said, "Eh, let 'em have it." The Banite Order emphasized deceit after all, so I wouldn't put it past them. And even if some random darksider got his paws on one holocron of significant power, chances are a millennium worth of informants and spies would alert the true Sith and they'd be on his case faster than you could say, "Han Solo in Episode 7 tho."

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 05:57 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 25 2017, 10:40 PM) *

Some of them were fake, like Sorzus Syn's (the original never left their possession). And I'd hazard a guess that the rest would contain knowledge so inconsequential that the Sith Lords basically just said, "Eh, let 'em have it." The Banite Order emphasized deceit after all, so I wouldn't put it past them. And even if some random darksider got his paws on one holocron of significant power, chances are a millennium worth of informants and spies would alert the true Sith and they'd be on his case faster than you could say, "Han Solo in Episode 7 tho."

But wasn't a big reason for Sidious building his palace over the ruins of the Jedi Temple so that he could excavate under it to find the ancient Sith Temple that the Jedi supposedly built on top of? If so, there's no telling what artifacts the Jedi had in their possession; the Jedi Temple was there for multiple millennia, right?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 26 2017, 06:12 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 26 2017, 01:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 25 2017, 10:40 PM) *

Some of them were fake, like Sorzus Syn's (the original never left their possession). And I'd hazard a guess that the rest would contain knowledge so inconsequential that the Sith Lords basically just said, "Eh, let 'em have it." The Banite Order emphasized deceit after all, so I wouldn't put it past them. And even if some random darksider got his paws on one holocron of significant power, chances are a millennium worth of informants and spies would alert the true Sith and they'd be on his case faster than you could say, "Han Solo in Episode 7 tho."

But wasn't a big reason for Sidious building his palace over the ruins of the Jedi Temple so that he could excavate under it to find the ancient Sith Temple that the Jedi supposedly built on top of? If so, there's no telling what artifacts the Jedi had in their possession; the Jedi Temple was there for multiple millennia, right?

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

Hmm...

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 26 2017, 01:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 25 2017, 10:40 PM) *

Some of them were fake, like Sorzus Syn's (the original never left their possession). And I'd hazard a guess that the rest would contain knowledge so inconsequential that the Sith Lords basically just said, "Eh, let 'em have it." The Banite Order emphasized deceit after all, so I wouldn't put it past them. And even if some random darksider got his paws on one holocron of significant power, chances are a millennium worth of informants and spies would alert the true Sith and they'd be on his case faster than you could say, "Han Solo in Episode 7 tho."

But wasn't a big reason for Sidious building his palace over the ruins of the Jedi Temple so that he could excavate under it to find the ancient Sith Temple that the Jedi supposedly built on top of? If so, there's no telling what artifacts the Jedi had in their possession; the Jedi Temple was there for multiple millennia, right?

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

Hmm...
I read that some where. I'll see if I can round up a source.

*update* Can't find it so please disregard my post about the Jedi Temple being built on top of a Sith temple.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 26 2017, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 09:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! laugh.gif I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.


He will be. The Jedi vs Sith conflict weighed far too heavily in the EU, so going for Dark Jedi would be a step down from the Original Trilogy and the prequels. And we've already seen some them one-up Vader in TFA. Vader deflected blaster bolts with his hand in The Empire Strikes Back but what's-his-mask(I find it far too amusing referring to him like that laugh.gif ) froze a blaster bolt in mid-air. He'll be a Sith even more powerful/badass than Palpatine(flip a coin to figure which way they'll go), because Jedi vs Sith is playing it safe in the Star Wars universe.

And remember; with the EU having been disavowed, officially there's only been one Jedi vs Sith conflict, so they likely don't consider it a dead horse.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 26 2017, 04:55 PM

I think JJ purposely put it in the movie that the time of the Sith was over, at least in the first movie for now.

"I’ve seen evil take many forms: the Sith, the Empire, and now the First Order." Maz Kanata.

Basically, the Sith returned and formed the Empire, and now that they are gone the First Order took their place. Anakin wiped out the last Sith when he killed Sidious and, in a way, Vader.

Unless Kylo Ren breaks up the Knights of Ren and announces himself as a new Sith Lord, I don't see them returning.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 04:57 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 26 2017, 05:31 AM) *

And remember; with the EU having been disavowed, officially there's only been one Jedi vs Sith conflict, so they likely don't consider it a dead horse.

There again, who is going to teach him the ways of the Sith? If Snoke, then that would make him a Sith or at least someone who is knowledgeable enough in their ways to train another Sith Lord in which case he still might as well be Sith. Khajiit thinks if they go this route, it might would be cool for "whatshismask" to go on an expedition to Moraband/Korriban and commune with the spirits of the ancient Dark Lords. Not sure they would do this though, given the supposed reason for cutting out the Revan scene in The Clone Wars.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 26 2017, 06:26 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jan 26 2017, 03:55 PM) *

I think JJ purposely put it in the movie that the time of the Sith was over, at least in the first movie for now.

"I’ve seen evil take many forms: the Sith, the Empire, and now the First Order." Maz Kanata.

Basically, the Sith returned and formed the Empire, and now that they are gone the First Order took their place. Anakin wiped out the last Sith when he killed Sidious and, in a way, Vader.

Unless Kylo Ren breaks up the Knights of Ren and announces himself as a new Sith Lord, I don't see them returning.


The prequels establish that the Sith were in hiding for a thousand years before Palpatine made his move, so I think they could manage a few decades of secrecy. Especially if they've got a force they can hide behind.

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 26 2017, 03:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 26 2017, 05:31 AM) *

And remember; with the EU having been disavowed, officially there's only been one Jedi vs Sith conflict, so they likely don't consider it a dead horse.

There again, who is going to teach him the ways of the Sith? If Snoke, then that would make him a Sith or at least someone who is knowledgeable enough in their ways to train another Sith Lord in which case he still might as well be Sith. Khajiit thinks if they go this route, it might would be cool for "whatshismask" to go on an expedition to Moraband/Korriban and commune with the spirits of the ancient Dark Lords. Not sure they would do this though, given the supposed reason for cutting out the Revan scene in The Clone Wars.


The simplest thing to do would be to have Darth Plagueis' spirit/echo/Force-whatever loitering around and training someone in the wake of Palpatine's death. Considering that Kenobi stuck around for some time, and what Plagueis could do with the Force, they've pretty much got everything they need for it.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 26 2017, 06:30 PM

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The simplest thing to do would be to have Darth Plagueis' spirit/echo/Force-whatever loitering around and training someone in the wake of Palpatine's death. Considering that Kenobi stuck around for some time, and what Plagueis could do with the Force, they've pretty much got everything they need for it.

As messed up as Snoke is, this one wouldn't be surprised if Snoke pulled off the Star Wars equivalent of Lichdom.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 26 2017, 06:47 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 26 2017, 05:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 26 2017, 11:26 AM) *

The simplest thing to do would be to have Darth Plagueis' spirit/echo/Force-whatever loitering around and training someone in the wake of Palpatine's death. Considering that Kenobi stuck around for some time, and what Plagueis could do with the Force, they've pretty much got everything they need for it.

As messed up as Snoke is, this one wouldn't be surprised if Snoke pulled off the Star Wars equivalent of Lichdom.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Empire

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 26 2017, 11:51 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 26 2017, 12:12 AM) *

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

That is true. I read Lords of the Sith a few weeks ago, and in it Palpatine wants to spend more time uncovering the secrets of the ancient Sith Temple buried beneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. That is why he was so hands-of with the day to day running of the Empire. He didn't want to spend his time being the administrator of a million worlds. He was after what he considered true power, that of the Sith Temple. He even mused that the ruins of the ancient Sith temple slowly poisoned the Jedi order over the centuries.

There are also all kinds of rumors about Snooki. One is that he is Darth Plageius reborn/resurrected/reanimated. Another is that he is Palpatine. I still think he's from the Jersey Shore...

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 27 2017, 02:24 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 27 2017, 07:51 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 26 2017, 12:12 AM) *

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

That is true. I read Lords of the Sith a few weeks ago, and in it Palpatine wants to spend more time uncovering the secrets of the ancient Sith Temple buried beneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. That is why he was so hands-of with the day to day running of the Empire. He didn't want to spend his time being the administrator of a million worlds. He was after what he considered true power, that of the Sith Temple. He even mused that the ruins of the ancient Sith temple slowly poisoned the Jedi order over the centuries.

There are also all kinds of rumors about Snooki. One is that he is Darth Plageius reborn/resurrected/reanimated. Another is that he is Palpatine. I still think he's from the Jersey Shore...


rollinglaugh.gif

Inb4 he gets punched in the face by Rey in a nightclub.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 27 2017, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 27 2017, 07:51 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 26 2017, 12:12 AM) *

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

That is true. I read Lords of the Sith a few weeks ago, and in it Palpatine wants to spend more time uncovering the secrets of the ancient Sith Temple buried beneath the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. That is why he was so hands-of with the day to day running of the Empire. He didn't want to spend his time being the administrator of a million worlds. He was after what he considered true power, that of the Sith Temple. He even mused that the ruins of the ancient Sith temple slowly poisoned the Jedi order over the centuries.

There are also all kinds of rumors about Snooki. One is that he is Darth Plageius reborn/resurrected/reanimated. Another is that he is Palpatine. I still think he's from the Jersey Shore...


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Inb4 he gets punched in the face by Rey in a nightclub.

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Posted by: Cain Jan 27 2017, 02:16 PM

I personally hope I never hear the word Sith in VII-IX.

Posted by: Cain Jan 27 2017, 06:08 PM

Does Tarkin ever figure out that Vader is Anakin? Just something I wondered about after seeing Tarkin in TCW.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 27 2017, 06:52 PM

QUOTE(Cain @ Jan 27 2017, 11:08 AM) *

Does Tarkin ever figure out that Vader is Anakin? Just something I wondered about after seeing Tarkin in TCW.

That's a good question. He certainly knows that Vader was once a Jedi because of his comment "You are all that is left of their religion.". Unless he was lumping all force users into one group. Here's another question: given Tarkin's aforementioned comment, did he know that Palpatine was a force user?

Posted by: Cain Jan 27 2017, 08:00 PM

He might have been lumping them together, I'd guess. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarkin didn't know, to be honest. Palps probably kept that a secret even after the 'coup' of the Jedi and his rise to ultimate power.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 27 2017, 08:45 PM

I think this is a source of contention back in the old EU; some people write it off as though almost everyone knows Vader was once Skywalker (which begs its own series of questions), while others go for him as a Diabolus Ex-Machina that just... Appeared out of nowhere. Same with Chancy Papa and his connection to force, I'd hazard a guess.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 27 2017, 08:59 PM

QUOTE(Cain @ Jan 27 2017, 06:08 PM) *

Does Tarkin ever figure out that Vader is Anakin? Just something I wondered about after seeing Tarkin in TCW.

Yes he came to the conclusion in the book "Tarkin."

Excerpt from the book:

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Nothing about Vader seemed natural-not his towering height, his deep voice, his antiquated diction-yet despite those qualities and the mask and respirator, Tarkin believed him to be more man than machine. Although he had clearly twisted the powers of the Force to his own dark purposes, Vader's innate strength was undeniable. His contained rage was genuine, as well, and not simply the result of some murderous cyberprogram. But the quality that made him most human was the fierce dedication he demonstrated to the Emperor.

It was that genuflecting obedience, the steadfast devotion to execute whatever task the Emperor assigned, that had given rise to so many rumors about Vader: that he was a counterpart to the Confederacy's General Grievous the Emperor had been holding in reserve; that he was an augmented human or near-human who had been trained or had trained himself in the ancient dark arts of the Sith; that he was nothing more than a monster fashioned in some clandestine laboratory. Many believed that the Emperor's willingness to grant so much authority to such a being heralded the shape of things to come, for it was beyond dispute that Vader was the Empire's first terror weapon.

Tarkin didn't always agree with Vader's methods for dealing with those who opposed the Empire, but he held the Dark Lord in high esteem, and he hoped Vader felt the same toward him. Very early on in their partnership-soon after both had been introduced to the secret mobile battle station-Tarkin grew convinced that Vader knew him much better than he let on, and that behind the bulging lenses of his face mask, whatever remained of Vader's human eyes regarded him with clear recognition. More than anything else it was those initial feelings that had provided Tarkin with his first suspicion as to Vader's identity. Later, observing the rapport the Dark Lord shared with the stormtroopers who supported him, and the technique he displayed in wielding his crimson lightsaber, Tarkin grew more and more convinced that his suspicions were right.

Vader might very well be Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, whom Tarkin had fought beside during the Clone Wars, and for whom he had developed a grudging appreciation.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 27 2017, 09:21 PM

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He might have been lumping them together, I'd guess. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarkin didn't know, to be honest. Palps probably kept that a secret even after the 'coup' of the Jedi and his rise to ultimate power.

Yes Tarkin most certainly knew Palpatine was a Sith Lord. Or suspected as much.

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The Emperor swiveled his chair toward the light, and Tarkin glimpsed his sepulchral visage; the molten skin beneath his eyes, the bulging forehead. After all these years, he was still not accustomed to it. "When one consorts with vipers, one runs the risk of being struck," the Emperor had told Tarkin following the attack on him by a quartet of Jedi Masters.

There were many stories about what had occurred that day in the chancellor's office. The official explanation was that members of the Jedi Order had turned up to arrest Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, and a ferocious duel had ensued. The matter of precisely how the Jedi had been killed or the Emperor's face deformed had never been settled to everyone's satisfaction, and so Tarkin had his private thoughts about the Emperor, as well. That he and Vader were kindred spirits suggested that both of them might be Sith. Tarkin often wondered if that wasn't the actual reason Palpatine had been targeted for arrest or assassination by the Jedi. It wasn't so much only that the Order wished to take charge of the Republic; it was that the Jedi couldn't abide the idea of a member of the ancient Order they opposed and abhorred emerging as the hero of the Clone Wars and assuming the mantle of Emperor.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 28 2017, 12:46 AM

Hey Dee Dee, I haven't seen you around much in the General Discussion area; where you been, man?

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So guys, if you were to adopt a lightsaber combat form, what would it be?

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 28 2017, 01:40 AM

I don't know the name of it, but I love how Ahsoka uses her lightsabers with an underhand grip.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jan 28 2017, 02:28 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 28 2017, 12:46 AM) *

Hey Dee Dee, I haven't seen you around much in the General Discussion area; where you been, man?

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So guys, if you were to adopt a lightsaber combat form, what would it be?

I've been around smile.gif Good to see you again!

Juyo. Darth Maul's style. If not Juyo most likely Djem-So. Darth Bane was pretty destructive with it.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 28 2017, 05:17 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 27 2017, 06:40 PM) *

I don't know the name of it, but I love how Ahsoka uses her lightsabers with an underhand grip.

Yeah, they tried to tell her this was wrong, but damn she was badass while using it!

Khajiit mostly used the double-bladed lightsabers in KotOR, KotOR2, Jedi Academy. This one really likes that style. "More slaughter per swing."

Other than that, Khajiit likes Ahsoka's dual saber style where she uses one normally in one hand, and an "ice pick grip" on the other one.

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 28 2017, 06:04 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 27 2017, 11:17 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 27 2017, 06:40 PM) *

I don't know the name of it, but I love how Ahsoka uses her lightsabers with an underhand grip.

Yeah, they tried to tell her this was wrong, but damn she was badass while using it!

Khajiit mostly used the double-bladed lightsabers in KotOR, KotOR2, Jedi Academy. This one really likes that style. "More slaughter per swing."

Other than that, Khajiit likes Ahsoka's dual saber style where she uses one normally in one hand, and an "ice pick grip" on the other one.

What about Pong Krell, using two double-bladed lightsabers! biggrin.gif

In the Kotor games I usually went with either a double-ender, or two sabers. I went with two sabers in http://i.imgur.com/dfwA5zQ.jpg. The single lightsaber just seems boring compared to them. It would be more interesting if you could go saber and an http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Watch_portable_shield. Then you could have a sword and buckler style.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 28 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 27 2017, 11:17 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 27 2017, 06:40 PM) *

I don't know the name of it, but I love how Ahsoka uses her lightsabers with an underhand grip.

Yeah, they tried to tell her this was wrong, but damn she was badass while using it!

Khajiit mostly used the double-bladed lightsabers in KotOR, KotOR2, Jedi Academy. This one really likes that style. "More slaughter per swing."

Other than that, Khajiit likes Ahsoka's dual saber style where she uses one normally in one hand, and an "ice pick grip" on the other one.

What about Pong Krell, using two double-bladed lightsabers! biggrin.gif

In the Kotor games I usually went with either a double-ender, or two sabers. I went with two sabers in http://i.imgur.com/dfwA5zQ.jpg. The single lightsaber just seems boring compared to them. It would be more interesting if you could go saber and an http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Watch_portable_shield. Then you could have a sword and buckler style.
Single saber by itself is definitely boring compared to the other options, but then the other options seem to be looked down on by the Jedi as being overly "aggressive".

Ooh this one likes your Lightsaber "sword and board" idea! It wouldn't even have to be an energy shield, it could literally be a shield made out of Lightsaber/blaster resistant material like Cortosis(sp?).

Posted by: Uleni Athram Jan 28 2017, 09:54 PM

Believe it or not, this kind of style was actually adopted by a Pauan Sith Lord in the PS2 version of The Force Unleashed bidjogeym. He was a nice bossfight. With the way there're lightsaber AND blaster resistant metals in that Galaxy Far Away, you'd think that people with sense in their heads would use those kinds of shields more but, hey, what can you do, amirite? Rule of Cool > Errthang

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 28 2017, 10:12 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 27 2017, 11:46 PM) *

So guys, if you were to adopt a lightsaber combat form, what would it be?


Dual-bladed saber, Soresu.

I'm pretty sure that's the setup I used to use as my default in KotOR2 as well.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 30 2017, 07:07 AM

Oh ma gyaah! Have you guys heard of the theory that Jar Jar frickin' Binks is actually a Sith Lord?!! It's pretty interesting. Khajiit doesn't believe because it raises lots of questions (such as "Why didn't Jar Jar become Emperor after the fall of the Republic?" or "So what was Jar Jar doing while Palpatine was losing the Empire?"), but this one can't help but think it would've been an interesting twist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA Its amusing!*

*Credit to Pseron Wyrd for bringing this to Khajiit's attention.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Jan 30 2017, 11:41 AM

Saw that a while back, got a bit of a laugh out of it. Kinda disappinted to see how many people are taking it seriously.

It's a mark of how bad the Prequels and jar jar are. Dedicated Star Wars fans are warping the entire Star Wars universe to try to justify his inclusion rollinglaugh.gif

Lucas likes jar jar, and wanted him in the film. It really is that simple. He doesn't need the Force, because he's got Lucas on his side, so Lucas warped the movies around him. That thing was bad enough in the first film, but bringing him in after that was just criminal, frankly.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 30 2017, 05:38 PM

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Saw that a while back, got a bit of a laugh out of it. Kinda disappinted to see how many people are taking it seriously.

It's a mark of how bad the Prequels and jar jar are. Dedicated Star Wars fans are warping the entire Star Wars universe to try to justify his inclusion rollinglaugh.gif

Lucas likes jar jar, and wanted him in the film. It really is that simple. He doesn't need the Force, because he's got Lucas on his side, so Lucas warped the movies around him. That thing was bad enough in the first film, but bringing him in after that was just criminal, frankly.

Haha yeah there are folks on a Reddit Khajiit read who are totally convinced.

Posted by: SubRosa Jan 30 2017, 11:13 PM

So Jar Jar is like a Super-Massive Black Hole, warping all matter and energy around him! laugh.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jan 31 2017, 01:32 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU

Posted by: Uleni Athram Feb 1 2017, 12:07 PM

Niman > Errthang, if I may be necro-answer my own previous question of what lightsaber form one would use. While it's basically a Master of a None type of style for most practicioners, take it to its highest level and you'll be a Master of All. Literally. Not even Juyo can touch you; 7 is weak to force based counter attacks and 6 employs the usage of Force-based attacks in its swordplay.

As for the Jarth Jarth Binks theory, ehhh. Personally don't buy into it. I'm surprised you only got this now, Khajiit lol That theory was like what, posted in late 2015 or early 2016?

Guys, if you could choose your own SW ship, what would it be? And what would you name it? I'm down to a Wayfarer-class medium freighter; "The Compensator."

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Feb 1 2017, 07:11 PM

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Guys, if you could choose your own SW ship, what would it be? And what would you name it? I'm down to a Wayfarer-class medium freighter; "The Compensator."

Probably a modified http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Firespray-31-class_patrol_and_attack_craft similar to Slave I. It would be crimson and black with white accents. Khajiit would name it The Harlequin Queen. In it, Khajiit and two other comrades would go a'rovin round the galaxy, stealing from the wealthy, and blowing the money on booze, wenches, and snazzy outfits! A space pirates life for me!

Posted by: SubRosa Feb 1 2017, 10:30 PM

The Firesprays are cool. I think I might go with an http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SS-54_assault_ship/Canon, like Sugi and Jas Emari had. I especially like that it was erroneously classified by the Empire as a light freighter, so they consider it a civilian craft rather than a military one. Oh, I forgot a name. I think I would call it Eternal Night.

I have always liked the http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-6_shuttle/Legends as well. But I think I would have more fun in the assault ship! laugh.gif

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 1 2017, 11:02 PM

I'd probably have to go with a heavily-modified http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HWK-290_light_freighter, named Silhouette

Either that or I'd go classic: A heavily-modified http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dynamic-class_freighter, named Rolling Bones

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Feb 1 2017, 11:21 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 1 2017, 03:30 PM) *

The Firesprays are cool. I think I might go with an http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SS-54_assault_ship/Canon, like Sugi and Jas Emari had. I especially like that it was erroneously classified by the Empire as a light freighter, so they consider it a civilian craft rather than a military one. Oh, I forgot a name. I think I would call it Eternal Night.

I have always liked the http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-6_shuttle/Legends as well. But I think I would have more fun in the assault ship! laugh.gif

Ooh yeah that SS-54 is cool looking!

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Feb 1 2017, 04:02 PM) *

I'd probably have to go with a heavily-modified http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HWK-290_light_freighter, named Silhouette

Either that or I'd go classic: A heavily-modified http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dynamic-class_freighter, named Rolling Bones

Moldy Crow and Ebon Hawk! Nice!

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 12:03 AM

I was seriously considering a heavily-modified YT2400 light freighter, but I'm not a fan of the cockpit placement. Looks a damn sight better than the YT1300, but the two I picked look even better biggrin.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Feb 2 2017, 02:56 AM

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I was seriously considering a heavily-modified YT2400 light freighter, but I'm not a fan of the cockpit placement. Looks a damn sight better than the YT1300, but the two I picked look even better biggrin.gif

Not familiar with those designations. Linkies or pics?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 08:30 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Feb 2 2017, 01:56 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Feb 1 2017, 05:03 PM) *

I was seriously considering a heavily-modified YT2400 light freighter, but I'm not a fan of the cockpit placement. Looks a damn sight better than the YT1300, but the two I picked look even better biggrin.gif

Not familiar with those designations. Linkies or pics?


Ouch.

Of all the things to say in a Star Wars thread. You're going to be kicking yourself in a minute over one of these, I guarantee it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Outrider

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Millennium_Falcon/Legends

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Posted by: Uleni Athram Feb 2 2017, 10:05 AM

*points at Cheshire*
*laughs cruelly and contemptuously*

Ahem. Anyway.

In an iOS and Android game called Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes, it seems they're bringing back characters from KotoR. I played it before, back in its early stages, and they had HK-47. At that time I didn't think much of it, waving it off as one of those cheeky little throwbacks to the now defunct Legends continuity. Just right now though, I found out that they're bringing in Darth Nihilus.

Keep in mind that this game is under EA's umbrella. Could... Could it be that Disney is slowly and sneakily introducing characters from Legends back in the fold through this game? Or is it just another of Uleni's ridiculous fancies?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 10:46 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 2 2017, 09:05 AM) *

In an iOS and Android game called Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes, it seems they're bringing back characters from KotoR. I played it before, back in its early stages, and they had HK-47. At that time I didn't think much of it, waving it off as one of those cheeky little throwbacks to the now defunct Legends continuity. Just right now though, I found out that they're bringing in Darth Nihilus.

Keep in mind that this game is under EA's umbrella. Could... Could it be that Disney is slowly and sneakily introducing characters from Legends back in the fold through this game? Or is it just another of Uleni's ridiculous fancies?


I'm gonna go with the "ridiculous fancies" angle. Clearly there's nothing about this game that could be considered canon, so there's nothing stopping them exploiting the popularity of the Legends material by breaking out some of the characters. All it does is broaden the appeal of the game.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Feb 2 2017, 11:07 AM

Well that's a bit embarrassing...

To be honest though, Khajiit never really paid much attention to those ships' types. He knew they were Corellian and freighters but not the designations.

Darth Nihilus: bad ass or badly underwhelming?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 11:23 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Feb 2 2017, 10:07 AM) *

Darth Nihilus: bad ass or badly underwhelming?


I would say badarse, but let down by the rush that hindered KotOR2

Posted by: Uleni Athram Feb 2 2017, 11:56 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Feb 2 2017, 06:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 2 2017, 09:05 AM) *

In an iOS and Android game called Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes, it seems they're bringing back characters from KotoR. I played it before, back in its early stages, and they had HK-47. At that time I didn't think much of it, waving it off as one of those cheeky little throwbacks to the now defunct Legends continuity. Just right now though, I found out that they're bringing in Darth Nihilus.

Keep in mind that this game is under EA's umbrella. Could... Could it be that Disney is slowly and sneakily introducing characters from Legends back in the fold through this game? Or is it just another of Uleni's ridiculous fancies?


I'm gonna go with the "ridiculous fancies" angle. Clearly there's nothing about this game that could be considered canon, so there's nothing stopping them exploiting the popularity of the Legends material by breaking out some of the characters. All it does is broaden the appeal of the game.

They're already bringing some of KotoR's elements back piece by piece (Hammerheads, Malachor); and HK47's appearance in that game preceded Thrawn's debut in Rebels, something that I don't see as a mere coincidence. Add to the fact that there's some theories that either a fem!Revan or Kreia actually appeared in the finale of Rebels's second season and Darth Nihilus of all people being introduced now... Mmm mmm mmmm. 'Sides, it's not the first time EA did something similar to this, introducing lore through vidya, I mean; just look at Jakku at their version of Battlefront.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Feb 2 2017, 06:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 2 2017, 09:05 AM) *

In an iOS and Android game called Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes, it seems they're bringing back characters from KotoR. I played it before, back in its early stages, and they had HK-47. At that time I didn't think much of it, waving it off as one of those cheeky little throwbacks to the now defunct Legends continuity. Just right now though, I found out that they're bringing in Darth Nihilus.

Keep in mind that this game is under EA's umbrella. Could... Could it be that Disney is slowly and sneakily introducing characters from Legends back in the fold through this game? Or is it just another of Uleni's ridiculous fancies?


I'm gonna go with the "ridiculous fancies" angle. Clearly there's nothing about this game that could be considered canon, so there's nothing stopping them exploiting the popularity of the Legends material by breaking out some of the characters. All it does is broaden the appeal of the game.

They're already bringing some of KotoR's elements back piece by piece (Hammerheads, Malachor); and HK47's appearance in that game preceded Thrawn's debut in Rebels, something that I don't see as a mere coincidence. Add to the fact that there's some theories that either a fem!Revan or Kreia actually appeared in the finale of Rebels's second season and Darth Nihilus of all people being introduced now... Mmm mmm mmmm. 'Sides, it's not the first time EA did something similar to this, introducing lore through vidya, I mean; just look at Jakku at their version of Battlefront.


They might be bringing in KotOR elements(including some notable story elements), but they're doing so 4,000 years later than their original usage. So even if they're doing more than simply capitalising on the popularity of those games(personally I think it's more them playing safe and trying to keep the older fans on side), they're doing something completely different with them, since there's no Old Republic for them to be set in at that point.

On another note, I'm actually having some fun with Galaxy of Heroes

Posted by: Uleni Athram Feb 2 2017, 01:25 PM

M8, that game'll suck you in quicker than a Sarlacc Pit coming off of a particularly poor hunt; back when I played it regularly it didn't have as much game modes but it still hooked me in.

Now they have Galactic War, Spaceship Battles, even Boss Raids. It's crazy how that game blew up!

Posted by: Cain Feb 2 2017, 01:49 PM

gimme dat death star fam.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Feb 2 2017, 04:11 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Feb 2 2017, 12:25 PM) *

M8, that game'll suck you in quicker than a Sarlacc Pit coming off of a particularly poor hunt; back when I played it regularly it didn't have as much game modes but it still hooked me in.

Now they have Galactic War, Spaceship Battles, even Boss Raids. It's crazy how that game blew up!


You're not kidding. So far I'm one player level away from unlocking challenges, and had some fun testing out the arena. Really wish I had some new characters though, I hate having to use an ewok for the light side missions mad.gif

Posted by: Cain Feb 15 2017, 09:41 PM

Still can't get over that Vader scene in R1.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Mar 1 2017, 08:59 PM


Star Wars announced a new book not to long ago coming out that takes place after the events of Rogue One; it's called Inferno Squad. The book is about a group of elite Imperial soldiers who are called by the Empire to go after Saw Guerrera's terrorist group- the survivors from Jedha. The book is about these Imperial heroes fighting against them. Christie Golden is the author. She wrote Star Wars: Dark Disciple.



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Still can't get over that Vader scene in R1.

It was one of my favorites!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 1 2017, 09:11 PM

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Still can't get over that Vader scene in R1.

It was one of my favorites!

Totally! It almost seemed casual the way he slaughtered those rebel scum.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Mar 2 2017, 12:51 AM

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Still can't get over that Vader scene in R1.

It was one of my favorites!

Totally! It almost seemed casual the way he slaughtered those rebel scum.

Straight up demonic, more like! The music ante'd it up to biblical levels, the gunfire from those helpless men meshing with their screams as they raced against their own impeding doom was heavenly, and the way Vader just ... did his thang was more reminiscent of a tornado tearing apart all resistance. Here's hoping his grandson, who is already quite powerful even though he's essentially AOTC!Anakin, shapes up eh?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 2 2017, 02:55 AM

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Still can't get over that Vader scene in R1.

It was one of my favorites!

Totally! It almost seemed casual the way he slaughtered those rebel scum.

Straight up demonic, more like! The music ante'd it up to biblical levels, the gunfire from those helpless men meshing with their screams as they raced against their own impeding doom was heavenly, and the way Vader just ... did his thang was more reminiscent of a tornado tearing apart all resistance. Here's hoping his grandson, who is already quite powerful even though he's essentially AOTC!Anakin, shapes up eh?

The scene had really powerful atmosphere, Khajiit will say that, but to this one, Vader looked like he was swatting some bothersome flies on a lazy Summer day!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 2 2017, 04:01 AM

Just put one of these in layaway http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=85889786&ab=TRU:tsearch_rr:Recommended%20for%20You:10. I also ordered an old Micro Machines Action Fleet Cloud City Bespin playset from Amazon.

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 3 2017, 02:03 AM

From Wookiepedia:

On this day in Star Wars...
March 2, 2013: Ahsoka Tano walked away from the Jedi Order.
March 2, 2015: Ahsoka Tano returned as Fulcrum.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 3 2017, 02:35 AM

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From Wookiepedia:

On this day in Star Wars...
March 2, 2013: Ahsoka Tano walked away from the Jedi Order.
March 2, 2015: Ahsoka Tano returned as Fulcrum.

Wow! Do you think they did that on purpose?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Mar 3 2017, 02:52 AM

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From Wookiepedia:

On this day in Star Wars...
March 2, 2013: Ahsoka Tano walked away from the Jedi Order.
March 2, 2015: Ahsoka Tano returned as Fulcrum.

Wow! Do you think they did that on purpose?

I'll bet on it.

Ahsoka's ridiculously popular anyhow and the way Disney axed TCW just begged for some closure.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 3 2017, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 2 2017, 07:03 PM) *

From Wookiepedia:

On this day in Star Wars...
March 2, 2013: Ahsoka Tano walked away from the Jedi Order.
March 2, 2015: Ahsoka Tano returned as Fulcrum.

Wow! Do you think they did that on purpose?

I'll bet on it.

Ahsoka's ridiculously popular anyhow and the way Disney axed TCW just begged for some closure.

Khajiit adores Ahsoka. She (and by extension her interaction with Anakin) was one of this one's favorite parts of TCW.

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 3 2017, 04:01 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 2 2017, 08:59 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Mar 2 2017, 07:52 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 3 2017, 10:35 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 2 2017, 07:03 PM) *

From Wookiepedia:

On this day in Star Wars...
March 2, 2013: Ahsoka Tano walked away from the Jedi Order.
March 2, 2015: Ahsoka Tano returned as Fulcrum.

Wow! Do you think they did that on purpose?

I'll bet on it.

Ahsoka's ridiculously popular anyhow and the way Disney axed TCW just begged for some closure.

Khajiit adores Ahsoka. She (and by extension her interaction with Anakin) was one of this one's favorite parts of TCW.

I thought it was sad too. You will note when you watch the end of that episode the sound is completely different than normal. In other episodes there is a big flourish of triumphant music as soon as the screen fades to black and the credits begin. The end of that episode was the opposite. It just falls into silence, like a bottomless chasm opening under your feet.

But the end of that episode also gave me hope for Ahsoka. Because I saw it as a chance she would survive.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 3 2017, 04:04 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 2 2017, 09:01 PM) *

But the end of that episode also gave me hope for Ahsoka. Because I saw it as a chance she would survive.

This is very true. No Order66 for her!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 4 2017, 02:29 AM

My father surprised me today, he got my https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17103749_1324247050968494_8238087311743471254_n.jpg?oh=1246c3aa8cabcac15aa1faca7468410b&oe=592952B1 out of layaway. I didn't expect him to do that happy.gif.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Mar 4 2017, 04:08 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 3 2017, 04:04 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 2 2017, 09:01 PM) *

But the end of that episode also gave me hope for Ahsoka. Because I saw it as a chance she would survive.

This is very true. No Order66 for her!

Did tou watch Rebels? Ahsoka is in there.


Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 4 2017, 05:07 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Mar 3 2017, 07:29 PM) *

My father surprised me today, he got my https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17103749_1324247050968494_8238087311743471254_n.jpg?oh=1246c3aa8cabcac15aa1faca7468410b&oe=592952B1 out of layaway. I didn't expect him to do that happy.gif.

Boy, that was nice of him!

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Mar 3 2017, 09:08 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 3 2017, 04:04 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 2 2017, 09:01 PM) *

But the end of that episode also gave me hope for Ahsoka. Because I saw it as a chance she would survive.

This is very true. No Order66 for her!

Did tou watch Rebels? Ahsoka is in there.


Khajiit started watching and saw up until Vader's first appearance. This one wants to see the others but until they appear on either Netflix or Amazon Prime Video he will be unable to.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 4 2017, 07:31 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 3 2017, 10:07 PM) *

Boy, that was nice of him!


I know it took me completely by surprise happy.gif.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 7 2017, 02:56 AM

Got something neat in today you'll guys would love:
https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16997721_1326969924029540_338699072400218773_n.jpg?oh=9c166913185d50c640cc5d2cfcd85648&oe=593B9E30.

https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17155400_1326969957362870_7956314783154040049_n.jpg?oh=82b19ce5bcb357366d8d7a071a3f0e72&oe=5966819C.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 7 2017, 02:58 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Mar 6 2017, 07:56 PM) *

Got something neat in today you'll guys would love:
https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16997721_1326969924029540_338699072400218773_n.jpg?oh=9c166913185d50c640cc5d2cfcd85648&oe=593B9E30.

https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17155400_1326969957362870_7956314783154040049_n.jpg?oh=82b19ce5bcb357366d8d7a071a3f0e72&oe=5966819C.

Is that... is that... Outrider Khajiit sees in pic 2?!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 7 2017, 03:31 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 6 2017, 07:58 PM) *

Is that... is that... Outrider Khajiit sees in pic 2?!


Yep that is indeed the Outrider biggrin.gif .

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 7 2017, 03:47 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Mar 6 2017, 08:31 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 6 2017, 07:58 PM) *

Is that... is that... Outrider Khajiit sees in pic 2?!


Yep that is indeed the Outrider biggrin.gif .

That takes this one back! Khajiit misses his adventures with Dash Rendar.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 7 2017, 03:57 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 6 2017, 08:47 PM) *

That takes this one back! Khajiit misses his adventures with Dash Rendar.


Well I so happen to have Dash and his ship: https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14568115_1174650022594865_225574295473740592_n.jpg?oh=3f185afc715b08a901427cf23c21e01a&oe=5929EA68 .

Posted by: Cain Mar 7 2017, 04:06 AM

Love the Outrider. Still play SotE once or twice a year.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 7 2017, 05:38 AM

QUOTE(Cain @ Mar 6 2017, 09:06 PM) *

Love the Outrider. Still play SotE once or twice a year.

Man, Khajiit wishes he still had his N64.

Posted by: Cain Mar 7 2017, 07:57 PM

I refuse to give it up - too many good games. If I still have it in 60 years, I want to be buried with it.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 7 2017, 08:19 PM

*edit* nevermind
Apparently the one Khajiit linked was fan made

Posted by: Dark Reaper Mar 9 2017, 03:34 PM

https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17201313_1329678180425381_4441787094773678072_n.jpg?oh=a4cd2c5d85354038816c7712144f4ca8&oe=593334C6.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Mar 18 2017, 06:15 AM

It's done. It's finished. I. . . Did not expect it to end the way it did. But I suppose it makes sense. They were both past their peaks, but only one moved on and perhaps became more powerful because of it.



Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 18 2017, 07:43 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Mar 18 2017, 12:15 AM) *

It's done. It's finished. I. . . Did not expect it to end the way it did. But I suppose it makes sense. They were both past their peaks, but only one moved on and perhaps became more powerful because of it.



Awww, damnit. Had to click on the link, lol

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 20 2017, 10:38 PM

I started reading Dawn Of The Jedi: Into The Void today. I have not gotten far yet, but the difference between the Je'daii and the Jedi is quite striking. This quote really sums it up:

"The Force is neither light nor dark, master nor slave, but a balance between extremes."

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 20 2017, 11:28 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 20 2017, 04:38 PM) *

I started reading Dawn Of The Jedi: Into The Void today. I have not gotten far yet, but the difference between the Je'daii and the Jedi is quite striking. This quote really sums it up:

"The Force is neither light nor dark, master nor slave, but a balance between extremes."

Lol so basically grey Jedi are the ideal?

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Mar 21 2017, 12:13 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Mar 18 2017, 06:15 AM) *

It's done. It's finished. I. . . Did not expect it to end the way it did. But I suppose it makes sense. They were both past their peaks, but only one moved on and perhaps became more powerful because of it.



Still pissed off that they never showed Ahsoka bite Vader's saber! It's so damn annoying how one-sided the show is! I swear if all the members of the Ghost Crew make it all alive in the finale I'm going to kick Felonious' ass personally!

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 30 2017, 01:11 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 20 2017, 06:28 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 20 2017, 04:38 PM) *

I started reading Dawn Of The Jedi: Into The Void today. I have not gotten far yet, but the difference between the Je'daii and the Jedi is quite striking. This quote really sums it up:

"The Force is neither light nor dark, master nor slave, but a balance between extremes."

Lol so basically grey Jedi are the ideal?

I finished reading Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void. It was neat to have a look 25,000 years in the past, before the Jedi or Sith were invented. Before lightsabers were invented, or even hyperspace travel. The vastly different philosophy of the Je'daii is what really interested me though:

A Je’daii needs darkness and light, shadow and illumination, because without the two there can be no balance. Veer to Bogan, and Ashla feels too constraining, too pure; edge toward Ashla, and Bogan becomes a monstrous myth. A Je’daii without balance between both is no Je’daii at all. He, or she, is simply lost.

Then I started reading Outbound Flight, and one of the first things I read was:

There is no emotion; there is peace.

A complete rejection of balance, or emotion entirely. What is interesting is that I have seen several interviews of George Lucas in which he describes the Force as the Je'daii would, a balance between light and dark, passion and reason. He says that if you reject one or the other it would put you out of balance. So I wonder why he wrote the Jedi Order as being so unbalanced toward the light? Was it intentional, because he wanted it to be clear that their own straying from the path of balance was in part responsible for their downfall? Or was it just a [censored] up in the writing?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Mar 30 2017, 02:28 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 29 2017, 07:11 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Mar 20 2017, 06:28 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 20 2017, 04:38 PM) *

I started reading Dawn Of The Jedi: Into The Void today. I have not gotten far yet, but the difference between the Je'daii and the Jedi is quite striking. This quote really sums it up:

"The Force is neither light nor dark, master nor slave, but a balance between extremes."

Lol so basically grey Jedi are the ideal?

I finished reading Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void. It was neat to have a look 25,000 years in the past, before the Jedi or Sith were invented. Before lightsabers were invented, or even hyperspace travel. The vastly different philosophy of the Je'daii is what really interested me though:

A Je’daii needs darkness and light, shadow and illumination, because without the two there can be no balance. Veer to Bogan, and Ashla feels too constraining, too pure; edge toward Ashla, and Bogan becomes a monstrous myth. A Je’daii without balance between both is no Je’daii at all. He, or she, is simply lost.

Then I started reading Outbound Flight, and one of the first things I read was:

There is no emotion; there is peace.

A complete rejection of balance, or emotion entirely. What is interesting is that I have seen several interviews of George Lucas in which he describes the Force as the Je'daii would, a balance between light and dark, passion and reason. He says that if you reject one or the other it would put you out of balance. So I wonder why he wrote the Jedi Order as being so unbalanced toward the light? Was it intentional, because he wanted it to be clear that they're own straying from the path of balance was in part responsible for their downfall? Or was it just a [censored] up in the writing?

And then there was the whole "Anakin is the 'Chosen One' who will bring balance to the force." thing. What was that all about? As far as they knew, Anakin was a light side Jedi. To bring balance, he'd have to do something really bad.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 3 2017, 01:22 AM

Can't remember if posted a picture of this or not, but if I did here's a replacement photo: https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17545509_1350997174960148_3138675331047905295_o.jpg?oh=7be78576b0020b319c84d3c6ee71f33c&oe=595D5FF3.
The first one I had completely malfunctioned as the NERF launcher broke and the Bluetooth controller stop working but I wanted an AT-ACT Walker so I bought another one but this time its mostly a display piece. Still when the old one worked it was a fun little toy to play with.
I also have a scout walker but I'm at odds with it cause in someways I like it and in others I hate it. What I do like is its well detailed but what I hate about it is its VERY unstable standing up. I really wished they did something else to the legs to make it more stable.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 3 2017, 07:16 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 2 2017, 07:22 PM) *

Can't remember if posted a picture of this or not, but if I did here's a replacement photo: https://scontent.ftul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17545509_1350997174960148_3138675331047905295_o.jpg?oh=7be78576b0020b319c84d3c6ee71f33c&oe=595D5FF3.
The first one I had completely malfunctioned as the NERF launcher broke and the Bluetooth controller stop working but I wanted an AT-ACT Walker so I bought another one but this time its mostly a display piece. Still when the old one worked it was a fun little toy to play with.
I also have a scout walker but I'm at odds with it cause in someways I like it and in others I hate it. What I do like is its well detailed but what I hate about it is its VERY unstable standing up. I really wished they did something else to the legs to make it more stable.

Man Khajiit loves the Walkers! Impractical as all hell, but there's just something about the slow, steady, seemingly inexorable advance of the ATs and the STs are just cool (in Khajiit's opinion), no matter how ridiculously they were treated in RotJ.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 3 2017, 10:40 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 30 2017, 01:11 AM) *

So I wonder why he wrote the Jedi Order as being so unbalanced toward the light? Was it intentional, because he wanted it to be clear that their own straying from the path of balance was in part responsible for their downfall? Or was it just a [censored] up in the writing?


I think Lucas was kind of boxed in really.

In the original trilogy, Obi-Wan and Yoda are training Luke to kill his father, and are keeping him ignorant of that fact. They're weaponising him. Especially when you consider the fact that Vader knew exactly who Luke was, because they didn't even try to hide him.

And then in The Empire strikes Back, when he has a vision of his friends in trouble, Obi-Wan and Yoda both urge him not to leave, to sacrifice his friends in order to complete his training.

And then, in Return of the Jedi, Luke steps out of the entire Rebellion vs Empire battle to try to save his father. And just for some bonus points, there's that moment when Luke goes to Jabba and force chokes the guards. And there's always the question of where those mind tricks he and Obi-Wan used fall on the scale.

In the original trilogy the Jedi were not the good guys. They were very much grey, at least in their methods, compared to the black and white of the Empire vs Rebellion struggle.

But the Expanded Universe missed that, and built up thousands of years of war after war between the Jedi and the Sith, light side versus dark side. Now, however much Lucas might have disliked the EU, he had to acknowledge that they've kept the franchise going with that, and dropping the Jedi/light vs Sith/dark would have risked alienating a lot of the long standing Star Wars fans.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 6 2017, 06:09 PM

I'm watching Rogue One on my laptop.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 12 2017, 11:08 AM

Just saw the Battlefront 2 leaked trailer.

From a story mode to Darth Maul facing off with Yoda, plus the Force Awakens era, I'd say things are looking dandy and good. 💯💯

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 12 2017, 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 12 2017, 11:08 AM) *

Just saw the Battlefront 2 leaked trailer.

From a story mode to Darth Maul facing off with Yoda, plus the Force Awakens era, I'd say things are looking dandy and good. 💯💯

Yes! And we finally get a glimpse of the campaign! We play as a female Imperial pilot. This is so awesome

"Avenge our Emperor!" Gives me chills!

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 12 2017, 12:11 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 12 2017, 07:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 12 2017, 11:08 AM) *

Just saw the Battlefront 2 leaked trailer.

From a story mode to Darth Maul facing off with Yoda, plus the Force Awakens era, I'd say things are looking dandy and good. 💯💯

Yes! And we finally get a glimpse of the campaign! We play as a female Imperial pilot. This is so awesome

"Avenge our Emperor!" Gives me chills!

Dude the shot of the Death Star exploding had me going whoah

NOW we get to see what that event looked like from the perspective of the other side! Freaking amazing

And Maul rushing towards Yoda? Juyo va Ataru? Let's go baby

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 14 2017, 05:10 PM

SNAP SON THE TRAILER FOR EPISODE 8 JUST DROPPED

WHOAHOHOHOHOHO

Gotta say, Kylo Aden looked downright murderous when he appeared. Like, legit.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 14 2017, 05:19 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:10 AM) *

SNAP SON THE TRAILER FOR EPISODE 8 JUST DROPPED

WHOAHOHOHOHOHO

Gotta say, Kylo Aden looked downright murderous when he appeared. Like, legit.

Is this the one from the Celebration?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 14 2017, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 01:19 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:10 AM) *

SNAP SON THE TRAILER FOR EPISODE 8 JUST DROPPED

WHOAHOHOHOHOHO

Gotta say, Kylo Aden looked downright murderous when he appeared. Like, legit.

Is this the one from the Celebration?

You betcher furry behind!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 14 2017, 05:28 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:21 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 01:19 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:10 AM) *

SNAP SON THE TRAILER FOR EPISODE 8 JUST DROPPED

WHOAHOHOHOHOHO

Gotta say, Kylo Aden looked downright murderous when he appeared. Like, legit.

Is this the one from the Celebration?

You betcher furry behind!

Khajiit thought Kylo looked the same as he did in TFA, lol

He's got the "I hate you!" look down, we need to see if his skill has improved!

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 14 2017, 05:48 PM

Dude, with the scar over his right eye he's looking more and more like Anakin! And there's something more ... fell with him this time around. I'm actually disappointed they didn't show the rest of the Knights tho; I'm honestly sick of the whole few!Sith vs many!Jedi shindig. Here's hoping the situation is reversed this time around!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 14 2017, 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:48 AM) *

Dude, with the scar over his right eye he's looking more and more like Anakin! And there's something more ... fell with him this time around. I'm actually disappointed they didn't show the rest of the Knights tho; I'm honestly sick of the whole few!Sith vs many!Jedi shindig. Here's hoping the situation is reversed this time around!

Well you heard what Luke said. This one wonders if he really feels that way or if he's just depressed, lol

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 14 2017, 07:14 PM

I just saw episode 8 trailer and I'm disappointed they're not going to Bespin tongue.gif . J/k this looks great can't wait to see it.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 14 2017, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 02:04 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:48 AM) *

Dude, with the scar over his right eye he's looking more and more like Anakin! And there's something more ... fell with him this time around. I'm actually disappointed they didn't show the rest of the Knights tho; I'm honestly sick of the whole few!Sith vs many!Jedi shindig. Here's hoping the situation is reversed this time around!

Well you heard what Luke said. This one wonders if he really feels that way or if he's just depressed, lol


He's depressed af lol

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 14 2017, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 01:22 PM) *

He's depressed af lol

This one wonders how that will effect his teaching. It sounds like he's realized that the traditional "Jedi way" isn't practical, hence his comment about them needing to end. As SubRosa has pointed out many times, the original force users embraced more balance than what we saw later Jedi and Sith teach. Perhaps they are moving to that sort of mentality, considering that both the Jedi ideal and Sith ideal have failed.

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 14 2017, 09:59 PM

Just from sheer curiosity I watched the trailer.

What got me wondering is that line "It's time for the Jedi to end".

What Jedi? Who's even left? And what have they been doing that's prompted that conclusion? Or is it simply the way the galaxy keeps screwing itself up going after them?

And that got me wondering if they've gonna continue borrowing from the KotOR franchise and have him take a page from the book of Darth Traya...

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 14 2017, 10:05 PM

Well let's see I have a Rei figure that's similar to Episode 8 Rei, I don't need episode 8 Millennium Falcon I have the TFA one so I'm good on episode 8 figures biggrin.gif. I think when Luke said the Jedi must end, its being speculated that Grey Jedis might be coming into canon. I guess we'll know more when E8 comes out.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 14 2017, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 15 2017, 06:05 AM) *

Well let's see I have a Rei figure that's similar to Episode 8 Rei, I don't need episode 8 Millennium Falcon I have the TFA one so I'm good on episode 8 figures biggrin.gif. I think when Luke said the Jedi must end, its being speculated that Grey Jedis might be coming into canon. I guess we'll know more when E8 comes out.

Your Rey figurine... What series? Black? Or Figuarts?

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 14 2017, 10:34 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 04:14 PM) *

Your Rey figurine... What series? Black? Or Figuarts?


Just the standard one. She's in her Resistance gear which seems to be close to her Episode 8 appearance.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 15 2017, 12:33 AM

I just watched the trailer. Before Luke says the Jedi must end, Rey is having a vision and saying she sees Light, Dark, and a Balance. So that does imply that Luke wants to end the polarized views of Jedi/Sith, and go back to the earlier Jed'aii view of a balance between both sides of the Force.

But then again, that was not in the original trilogy. Seeing that JJ Abrams is not capable of doing anything new or original, it is all probably just some things they did for the trailer and won't even be in the movie. Instead we'll just have a scene of Imperial Walkers on a big plain attacking the Rebel base, and a bunch of Rebel Airspeeders flying in to attack them. Oh wait, that was in the trailer too!

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 15 2017, 01:22 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 01:26 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 14 2017, 07:22 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

Bahahaha!

Khajiit watched the trailer again because he did not remember AT's in it when Subbie pointed it out, but sure enough they were there. [This one] has a bad feeling about this, tongue.gif

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 15 2017, 01:50 AM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 14 2017, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

And then the bounty hunter chick who told the First Order that they were in Mas Tequila's bar in TFA captures Finn and takes him back to the First Order. They torture him, and Rey breaks off her training to go rescue him, but gets her hand cut off by Kylo, and she learns that he is her father! ohmy.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 01:57 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 07:50 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 14 2017, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

And then the bounty hunter chick who told the First Order that they were in Mas Tequila's bar in TFA captures Finn and takes him back to the First Order. They torture him, and Rey breaks off her training to go rescue him, but gets her hand cut off by Kylo, and she learns that he is her father! ohmy.gif

Boooooo!!!

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 15 2017, 02:05 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 14 2017, 08:57 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 07:50 PM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 14 2017, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

And then the bounty hunter chick who told the First Order that they were in Mas Tequila's bar in TFA captures Finn and takes him back to the First Order. They torture him, and Rey breaks off her training to go rescue him, but gets her hand cut off by Kylo, and she learns that he is her father! ohmy.gif

Boooooo!!!

Search your feelings Khajiit, you know it to be true!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 15 2017, 02:23 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 08:05 PM) *

Search your feelings Khajiit, you know it to be true!


Noooooooooo.
http://media.photobucket.com/user/WedgeP/media/Gifs/My%20Reaction%20Gifs/1062_zpsbb3b2d90.gif.html

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 14 2017, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 14 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Maybe we should take bets on who gets captured and encased in carbonite?


Well Fynn IS inside a medical pod like device....maybe he gets frozen in carbonite then sent to Bespin where we found out he's Lando's long lost son.

And then the bounty hunter chick who told the First Order that they were in Mas Tequila's bar in TFA captures Finn and takes him back to the First Order. They torture him, and Rey breaks off her training to go rescue him, but gets her hand cut off by Kylo, and she learns that he is her father! ohmy.gif

Boooooo!!!

Search your feelings Khajiit, you know it to be true!

*Chants to self*
Peace is a lie...

Wait that's not helping, lol

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 15 2017, 05:11 AM

I'm picturing Ren as Rey's father and I feel so dirty right now.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 05:20 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 14 2017, 11:11 PM) *

I'm picturing Ren as Rey's father and I feel so dirty right now.

What did he father her when he was 2? Lol

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 15 2017, 06:07 AM

My god. How even...?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 07:03 AM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 12:07 AM) *

My god. How even...?

Best not to let your mind go down that road!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2017, 03:16 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 07:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 12:07 AM) *

My god. How even...?

Best not to let your mind go down that road!

The Dark Side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 03:57 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 09:16 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 07:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 12:07 AM) *

My god. How even...?

Best not to let your mind go down that road!

The Dark Side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

DE is in fact Darth Sidious?! ohmy.gif

tongue.gif

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2017, 04:28 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 03:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 09:16 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 07:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 12:07 AM) *

My god. How even...?

Best not to let your mind go down that road!

The Dark Side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

DE is in fact Darth Sidious?! ohmy.gif

tongue.gif

I.Am. The. Senate.

tongue.gif

Oh and who here is excited for the Battlefront II trailer? The full one?

The nerds deciphered the aurabesh language on the official website. It said: "Inferno Squad."

I am so stoked!! I'm guessing the main campaign is about them! We actually get to see their story play out in action aside from reading the story too.


Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 15 2017, 04:34 PM

Oh shee what up tho

Just like Twilight Company for the first one, now we have Inferno Squad for the second! Nice one passing that along, Dee Dee chan!

But to be honest I'm more stoked on Maul lol

Posted by: hazmick Apr 15 2017, 06:13 PM

Hopefully the new Battlefront 2 is as good as the original Battlefront 2. Unlikely, but one can hope.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 15 2017, 06:16 PM

And maybe this time they'll add in the option to actually go prone!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2017, 08:22 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 04:34 PM) *

Oh shee what up tho

Just like Twilight Company for the first one, now we have Inferno Squad for the second! Nice one passing that along, Dee Dee chan!

But to be honest I'm more stoked on Maul lol

The new trailer is out!!!

Omg!!! We play as an Imperial trooper, she's an elite soldier in the Inferno Squad and her story spans 30 years ingame! Apparently her father loses his life aboard the Death Star and she seeks to avenge him and The Emperor by destroying the Rebels! Yes!!! This is so awesome!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 15 2017, 08:28 PM

https://youtu.be/xL3Deh-wOaM .

http://s413.photobucket.com/user/sbcmarine81/media/Throw%20Money_zpsfcfheo48.jpg.html

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 08:50 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 04:34 PM) *

Oh shee what up tho

Just like Twilight Company for the first one, now we have Inferno Squad for the second! Nice one passing that along, Dee Dee chan!

But to be honest I'm more stoked on Maul lol

The new trailer is out!!!

Omg!!! We play as an Imperial trooper, she's an elite soldier in the Inferno Squad and her story spans 30 years ingame! Apparently her father loses his life aboard the Death Star and she seeks to avenge him and The Emperor by destroying the Rebels! Yes!!! This is so awesome!

Khajiit hopes they trained her to shoot straighter.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2017, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 08:50 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 04:34 PM) *

Oh shee what up tho

Just like Twilight Company for the first one, now we have Inferno Squad for the second! Nice one passing that along, Dee Dee chan!

But to be honest I'm more stoked on Maul lol

The new trailer is out!!!

Omg!!! We play as an Imperial trooper, she's an elite soldier in the Inferno Squad and her story spans 30 years ingame! Apparently her father loses his life aboard the Death Star and she seeks to avenge him and The Emperor by destroying the Rebels! Yes!!! This is so awesome!

Khajiit hopes they trained her to shoot straighter.

Did khajiit watch the trailer? They shot pretty accurate... for stormies

Posted by: hazmick Apr 15 2017, 10:16 PM

A lot of potential for a really great story here. For now I'm just relieved to see a bit of Star Wars stuff that isn't "REBELS GOOD, EMPIRE BAD".

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 15 2017, 11:06 PM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 03:36 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 08:50 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 02:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 15 2017, 04:34 PM) *

Oh shee what up tho

Just like Twilight Company for the first one, now we have Inferno Squad for the second! Nice one passing that along, Dee Dee chan!

But to be honest I'm more stoked on Maul lol

The new trailer is out!!!

Omg!!! We play as an Imperial trooper, she's an elite soldier in the Inferno Squad and her story spans 30 years ingame! Apparently her father loses his life aboard the Death Star and she seeks to avenge him and The Emperor by destroying the Rebels! Yes!!! This is so awesome!

Khajiit hopes they trained her to shoot straighter.

Did khajiit watch the trailer? They shot pretty accurate... for stormies

Nah, didn't watch the trailer. Never got into Battlefront. It's multiplayer right?

Posted by: hazmick Apr 15 2017, 11:26 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 11:06 PM) *

Nah, didn't watch the trailer. Never got into Battlefront. It's multiplayer right?

This one's going to have a campaign, which is why it's so exciting. The original Battlefront 2 campaign was fantastic.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 15 2017, 11:28 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 06:06 PM) *

Nah, didn't watch the trailer. Never got into Battlefront. It's multiplayer right?

The B-Front games are both single and multiplayer. From the vids I have seen, the SP side of the game is just a straight shoot-em-up, where you clear objectives and kill everything on the map. The MP side is the same - like all multiplayer - except with people screaming homophobic insults in your ear every 5 seconds.


In other news http://i.imgur.com/apKRId1.jpg

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 12:10 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 15 2017, 05:28 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 06:06 PM) *

Nah, didn't watch the trailer. Never got into Battlefront. It's multiplayer right?

The B-Front games are both single and multiplayer. From the vids I have seen, the SP side of the game is just a straight shoot-em-up, where you clear objectives and kill everything on the map. The MP side is the same - like all multiplayer - except with people screaming homophobic insults in your ear every 5 seconds.


In other news http://i.imgur.com/apKRId1.jpg

Yay Boba!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 16 2017, 12:25 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 15 2017, 05:28 PM) *

In other news http://i.imgur.com/apKRId1.jpg


Match made in heaven <3 .

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 16 2017, 12:39 AM

QUOTE(hazmick @ Apr 15 2017, 10:16 PM) *

A lot of potential for a really great story here. For now I'm just relieved to see a bit of Star Wars stuff that isn't "REBELS GOOD, EMPIRE BAD".

Yes, and the developers are going full in the story. Feloni, take notes on good storytelling!


I'm glad too. I'm a huge fan of the Empire, and I really dislike the Rebels. Rogue One showed the more muddier sides to the Rebel(composed of "assassins," "thieves," and "saboteurs"). I mean our main protagonist assassinates an informant in the start of the movie!

Battlefront II is going to shape up to be fantastic, in my opinion. Multiplayer is fun and all but the real substance is the campaign mode.

QUOTE
Mark Thompson, game director at EA’s Motive, said the Battlefront 2 team wanted to go beyond the heroic stories of the Rebellion to explore a new frontline of war.

“We wanted to give the Empire heroes in that same way,” Thompson said during a preview event at Star Wars Celebration 2017. “Who are the elite soldiers on the battlefield who strike fear into the rebels? Who are the elite pilots that kids growing up look up to and aspire to be?

“We settled on this idea of telling a story from the Imperial perspective. The idea of special forces soldiers gave us this chance to become a new hero.”

"The main character Iden Versio — who is voiced by actress Janina Gavankar (True Blood, Sleepy Hollow) — was born and bred on Vardos, an entirely new planet in the Star Wars universe. Vardos, a sleek, sterile looking world, represents the utopian vision of Imperial rule. To Iden and the citizens of Vardos, the Empire symbolizes structure, peace and order. The Rebellion represents chaos, a terrorist organization that threatens the safety of the galaxy."

“We never describe the Empire as the bad guys [in Battlefront 2],” Thompson said. “We never say Iden is a villain. We present the other side of the conflict.”

The developers basically asked: "What did members of the Galactic Empire do when the Death Star blew up? How did the Imperial soldiers on Endor feel as they watched their dreams of a stable galaxy burst into flames, right in front of their eyes? What did they think as they watched their friends die?"

"This is the Star Wars universe as seen from a new perspective, where the Galactic Empire is "good," and the Rebel Alliance is a violent and misguided effort.

"We've heard a lot about the heroes of the Rebellion in the Galactic Civil War, and we wanted to give the Empire heroes, We began from the question of, what does it mean when you take off that helmet? And in a very different way than Finn in The Force Awakens," Lucasfilm Creative Executive Steve Blank says. "He takes his helmet off specifically to defect. But what does it mean for the day-to-day stormtrooper who believes in this, who is a part of this, what happens when they take off that helmet?"

Thompson jumps in: "You take off the helmet in disbelief when you see the Death Star explode, and then you put it back on with a renewed determination. That becomes a powerful, character-defining moment."

"Iden's father is an admiral for the Empire, while her mother designs recruitment material for the same faction. She grows up on Vardos, an Imperial planet and society that she adores. Iden is a picturesque Imperial soldier who truly believes in the cause."

"She is so committed, she is so invested, that she puts all of her energy into being the best within the Empire," Blank says. "So she ultimately gets to that top spot and becomes a special operative. She also carries with her all that it means to be a special operative: she is collected, she is focused, she is powerful and she is a commander. They vow revenge on the Rebels, who are seen as terrorists who threaten peace and order in the galaxy."

“It was the idea of the explosion [that] the Death Star II is seen as a victory,” Thompson said of the story’s genesis. “That’s how it’s framed: a celebration.” But Motive Studios wanted to “turn that victory into a loss” for its main characters, to strengthen and reinforce their imperialistic beliefs and make them think “I want to avenge my emperor.”



I. Can't. Wait. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

And man if https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/X1fPRLCDhw4wL0KbB1zifMFfjLE=/0x213:625x816/1200x800/filters:focal(263x426:363x526)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/54275799/C9esUaaXoAETcNo.1492284845.jpg, I don't know what is!

I was losing hope with new canon, but now my hopes are restored. Speaking of hope, anyone catch in the trailer how Iden is the complete opposite of Jyn Erso?

"We have hope. Rebellions are built on hope."-Jyn

"Hope can't save them!"-Iden.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 02:28 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 06:39 PM) *
*snip*

So with the new films moving towards ideas of Grey Jedi and showing to gritty side of the Rebellion, and the games showing the Empire's point of view for significant events, Khajiit is glad to see that Star Wars is losing some of the absolutism that was honestly getting a little tiresome in Khajiit's opinion. This should be refreshing.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 16 2017, 04:21 AM

OOOOOOOOH YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH

DUDE IT IS TIME

ENPOWER ENFORCE ENLIGHTEN

FOR THE EEEEEEEMMMMPPPPIIIIIRREEEEEEE

OH DAMN BO KATAN

Posted by: mirocu Apr 16 2017, 12:49 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 16 2017, 05:21 AM) *

OOOOOOOOH YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH

DUDE IT IS TIME

ENPOWER ENFORCE ENLIGHTEN

FOR THE EEEEEEEMMMMPPPPIIIIIRREEEEEEE

OH DAMN BO KATAN

Star Wars. Lightsaber. Yes.



WOOSH! WOOSH!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 01:36 PM

Was watching The Force Awakens before coming to work today. Man Khajiit likes the look of the standard rifle the Stormies are carrying!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 16 2017, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 07:36 AM) *

Was watching The Force Awakens before coming to work today. Man Khajiit likes the look of the standard rifle the Stormies are carrying!


Ah yes the E-11 Blaster rifle----oddly enough out of all the blasters in Battlefront the E-11 has served me well, it's powerful and has good range it's a pretty decent blaster happy.gif.

Posted by: mirocu Apr 16 2017, 02:11 PM

Does it matter though considering they "always" miss? wink.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 02:11 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 16 2017, 08:10 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 07:36 AM) *

Was watching The Force Awakens before coming to work today. Man Khajiit likes the look of the standard rifle the Stormies are carrying!


Ah yes the E-11 Blaster rifle----oddly enough out of all the blasters in Battlefront the E-11 has served me well, it's powerful and has good range it's a pretty decent blaster happy.gif.

Loved using that in the Jedi Knight series!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 16 2017, 02:13 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 08:11 AM) *

Loved using that in the Jedi Knight series!


Same here laugh.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 02:15 PM

Can you mod weapons in Battlefront? Or upgrade them?

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 16 2017, 02:18 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 08:15 AM) *

Can you mod weapons in Battlefront? Or upgrade them?


I don't think so, there's star cards that can be upgraded (which does jack[beep]) but as far as weapons go no you can't mod them or upgrade them.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 02:30 PM

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Apr 16 2017, 08:18 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 08:15 AM) *

Can you mod weapons in Battlefront? Or upgrade them?


I don't think so, there's star cards that can be upgraded (which does jack[beep]) but as far as weapons go no you can't mod them or upgrade them.

Oh ok, gotcha

So this new Battlefront that is coming out. Is it DLC for the one that came out a while ago or is it a new one?

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 16 2017, 03:23 PM

It's a new one lol

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 03:24 PM

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Apr 16 2017, 09:23 AM) *

It's a new one lol

Will you have to have played the others to "get it"?

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 16 2017, 05:15 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 09:28 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 06:39 PM) *
*snip*

So with the new films moving towards ideas of Grey Jedi and showing to gritty side of the Rebellion, and the games showing the Empire's point of view for significant events, Khajiit is glad to see that Star Wars is losing some of the absolutism that was honestly getting a little tiresome in Khajiit's opinion. This should be refreshing.

TBH, I am not glad to see losing the clear white hat / black hat morality. I like the Empire being the White Male Supremacists who are enslaving the entire galaxy and laying waste to entire worlds as they rape them of their natural resources. While the Rebel Alliance are the clear cut good guys out to stop them and return freedom and justice. Give me the Illinois Nazis In Space vs. the Blues Brothers any day.

That is what made Star Wars what it is today. If you look back and watch the original movies, there was nothing really special about them. The acting was not extraordinary. The stories are very simple (and often have some big plot holes). Even the whole genre of science fiction was nothing new or groundbreaking. The only thing truly remarkable about them was the special effects, where were beyond cutting edge at the time. ILM literally invented sfx all over again with those movies. But special effects do not make a movie good.

But they came at a time Post Vietnam, Post Civil Rights Movement, after America endured so much civil and moral upheaval, that no one wanted movies of complex morality or shades of gray. That is why the big movies in the early 70s were disaster flicks. Earthquake, Towering Inferno, the Airport movies, Jaws, etc... They were always Man vs Nature, where there was not question of good or evil. Just people trying to survive against all odds.

Then Star Wars burst on the scene with a very simple good vs. evil story. It was exactly what the country needed to escape the failed wars and race riots and assassinations and crooked politicians and social upheaval of the recent past. It let us forget the ugly issues of reality, and slip back into the joy of a world where right and wrong were simple choices. Even now, 40 years later, the real world is not a simple place. Star Wars provides a nice safe haven for a few hours to escape the ugly reality of terrorism and genocide and travel to a world where the good guys actually can win.

I am afraid that if Star Wars loses that foundation, that what makes the whole franchise special will erode as well. Then it will be just one of many sci fi franchises.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 16 2017, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 09:28 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 06:39 PM) *
*snip*

So with the new films moving towards ideas of Grey Jedi and showing to gritty side of the Rebellion, and the games showing the Empire's point of view for significant events, Khajiit is glad to see that Star Wars is losing some of the absolutism that was honestly getting a little tiresome in Khajiit's opinion. This should be refreshing.

TBH, I am not glad to see losing the clear white hat / black hat morality. I like the Empire being the White Male Supremacists who are enslaving the entire galaxy and laying waste to entire worlds as they rape them of their natural resources. While the Rebel Alliance are the clear cut good guys out to stop them and return freedom and justice. Give me the Illinois Nazis In Space vs. the Blues Brothers any day.

That is what made Star Wars what it is today. If you look back and watch the original movies, there was nothing really special about them. The acting was not extraordinary. The stories are very simple (and often have some big plot holes). Even the whole genre of science fiction was nothing new or groundbreaking. The only thing truly remarkable about them was the special effects, where were beyond cutting edge at the time. ILM literally invented sfx all over again with those movies.

But they came at a time Post Vietnam, Post Civil Rights Movement, after America endured so much civil and moral upheaval, that no one wanted movies of complex morality or shades of gray. That is why the big movies in the early 70s were disaster flicks. Earthquake, Towering Inferno, the Airport movies, Jaws, etc... They were always Man vs Nature, where there was not question of good or evil. Just people trying to survive against all odds.

Then Star Wars burst on the scene with a very simple good vs. evil story. It was exactly what the country needed to escape the failed wars and race riots and assassinations and crooked politicians and social upheaval of the recent past. It let us forget the ugly issues of reality, and slip back into the joy of a world where right and wrong were simple choices. Even now, 40 years later, the real world is not a simple place. Star Wars provides a nice safe haven for a few hours to escape the ugly reality of terrorism and genocide and travel to a world where the good guys actually can win.

I am afraid that if Star Wars loses that foundation, that what makes the whole franchise special will erode as well. Then it will be just one of many sci fi franchises.

Well put! This one guesses he prefers things to be a bit more realistic. The universe is not "black and white" and sometimes the good guys have to make hard choices when no better solutions are presented. Doesn't really make Khajiit think any less of them. For what it's worth though, Khajiit suspects that Rey and Finn will remain clear, basically good characters while Snoke and Kylo will be their clear antithesis (until perhaps Kylo has a change of heart). Or maybe Khajiit is wrong and Rey and/or Finn turn bad. In any case, this one believes that there will still be clear good vs. evil themes going on in Star Wars. Just perhaps a little salt mixing with the pepper!

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 16 2017, 06:10 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 12:37 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 16 2017, 11:15 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 15 2017, 09:28 PM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 15 2017, 06:39 PM) *
*snip*

So with the new films moving towards ideas of Grey Jedi and showing to gritty side of the Rebellion, and the games showing the Empire's point of view for significant events, Khajiit is glad to see that Star Wars is losing some of the absolutism that was honestly getting a little tiresome in Khajiit's opinion. This should be refreshing.

TBH, I am not glad to see losing the clear white hat / black hat morality. I like the Empire being the White Male Supremacists who are enslaving the entire galaxy and laying waste to entire worlds as they rape them of their natural resources. While the Rebel Alliance are the clear cut good guys out to stop them and return freedom and justice. Give me the Illinois Nazis In Space vs. the Blues Brothers any day.

That is what made Star Wars what it is today. If you look back and watch the original movies, there was nothing really special about them. The acting was not extraordinary. The stories are very simple (and often have some big plot holes). Even the whole genre of science fiction was nothing new or groundbreaking. The only thing truly remarkable about them was the special effects, where were beyond cutting edge at the time. ILM literally invented sfx all over again with those movies.

But they came at a time Post Vietnam, Post Civil Rights Movement, after America endured so much civil and moral upheaval, that no one wanted movies of complex morality or shades of gray. That is why the big movies in the early 70s were disaster flicks. Earthquake, Towering Inferno, the Airport movies, Jaws, etc... They were always Man vs Nature, where there was not question of good or evil. Just people trying to survive against all odds.

Then Star Wars burst on the scene with a very simple good vs. evil story. It was exactly what the country needed to escape the failed wars and race riots and assassinations and crooked politicians and social upheaval of the recent past. It let us forget the ugly issues of reality, and slip back into the joy of a world where right and wrong were simple choices. Even now, 40 years later, the real world is not a simple place. Star Wars provides a nice safe haven for a few hours to escape the ugly reality of terrorism and genocide and travel to a world where the good guys actually can win.

I am afraid that if Star Wars loses that foundation, that what makes the whole franchise special will erode as well. Then it will be just one of many sci fi franchises.

Well put! This one guesses he prefers things to be a bit more realistic. The universe is not "black and white" and sometimes the good guys have to make hard choices when no better solutions are presented. Doesn't really make Khajiit think any less of them. For what it's worth though, Khajiit suspects that Rey and Finn will remain clear, basically good characters while Snoke and Kylo will be their clear antithesis (until perhaps Kylo has a change of heart). Or maybe Khajiit is wrong and Rey and/or Finn turn bad. In any case, this one believes that there will still be clear good vs. evil themes going on in Star Wars. Just perhaps a little salt mixing with the pepper!

I agree that the heroes ought not to be cardboard cutouts of Paladinhood *insert heroic pose and gleaming smile here*. After I wrote that I was thinking of Rogue One. I liked how the Rebellion was portrayed there, especially Cassian. I think he was the best, most interesting and multi-layered character in the film. His most heroic moment literally comes when he chooses not to kill someone. But that is also what I meant above when I said good and evil were a clear choice in the classic Star Wars films. Cassian knew that killing Galen Erso was not going to stop the Death Star from being built, or prevent anyone from being killed by it. It was just a spiteful order given by a mean-spirited spymaster who wanted his pound of flesh. So instead Cassian defied his orders and did what he knew was right - spare a man's life. The fact that actually rescuing/kidnapping/extracting Galen and taking him back to the Rebellion could have given them a tremendous advantage in fighting the Death Star also makes it the smart choice, as well as the moral one. (That is one of Rogue Ones plot holes. Killing Galen Erso is just plain dumb. It would be like the US killing Werner Von Braun after the V2 rockets went into service. Much better to get your hands on him and make him build Saturn V rockets to go to the Moon, not to mention ICBMs to kill Russians.)

I liked that the rebels in Rogue One were portrayed as real people, not paragons of virtue. Realism aside, it gives us real people watching these movies a sense of hope in our lives. If a spy and assassin like Cassian can still do the right thing and find redemption, then so can we. So the more grey to the protagonists the better I think. Take Han Solo. He was a drug smuggler working for the equivalent of the Cartel! Or even Luke Skywalker. He was just an ordinary farm boy who wanted to fly planes. As he said to 3PO in the beginning of A New Hope - "I hate the Empire, but there's nothing I can do about it. It's all so far away from here." There is the apathy and cynicism of everyday life. This kind of thing makes the protagonists people that we can relate to.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 16 2017, 09:28 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 16 2017, 12:10 PM) *
*snip*

And on the flipside of that, Khajiit thinks it would be nice if not every bad guy was a straight up villain. This one thought TFA did a decent job of trying to make us feel for Kylo a bit with the struggles he was going through. Khajiit suspects he will be even more hardline Darkside in the next installment though.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 16 2017, 10:33 PM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 04:28 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 16 2017, 12:10 PM) *
*snip*

And on the flipside of that, Khajiit thinks it would be nice if not every bad guy was a straight up villain. This one thought TFA did a decent job of trying to make us feel for Kylo a bit with the struggles he was going through. Khajiit suspects he will be even more hardline Darkside in the next installment though.

TBH, I was very underwhelmed with Kylo Ren. He was just a whiny twit. I like my villains be menacing and villainous.

That is not to say they I like villains to be one-dimensional, which is the problem so many stories have (yes, I am looking at you Marvel Cinematic Universe). The thing to remember about people who are evil, is they all are absolutely convinced that they are the good guys. Whether it is Hitler, or Stalin, or Bin Laden, or John Wayne Gacy, they all knew right down in the deepest cores of their beings that everything they did was right and just.

That is the way to write good villains. Show them as being real people, with beliefs that either push them into atrocious acts, or in the very least excuse those acts. Vader is a good villain because he is absolutely convinced that killing everything in his path will bring Order to the galaxy. He makes a desert and calls it peace.

And don't forget to make them people. Real villains don't spend 24 hours a day brooding on a throne of skulls. For example, when he wasn't oppressing Europe, Hitler played with his dog and I am certain he loved Eva Braun. Gacy did charity work for kids. Showing Vader sipping pina colada's on Scarif's beach is not exactly what I am suggesting here. But OTOH one of things that made Loki a great villain in the first Thor movie is that he wanted to prove to his adopted father that he was good enough to be his son. He was willing to commit genocide to prove it. That is the kind of villain I like.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 16 2017, 10:47 PM

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TBH, I am not glad to see losing the clear white hat / black hat morality. I like the Empire being the White Male Supremacists who are enslaving the entire galaxy and laying waste to entire worlds as they rape them of their natural resources. While the Rebel Alliance are the clear cut good guys out to stop them and return freedom and justice. Give me the Illinois Nazis In Space vs. the Blues Brothers any day.

That is what made Star Wars what it is today. If you look back and watch the original movies, there was nothing really special about them. The acting was not extraordinary. The stories are very simple (and often have some big plot holes). Even the whole genre of science fiction was nothing new or groundbreaking. The only thing truly remarkable about them was the special effects, where were beyond cutting edge at the time. ILM literally invented sfx all over again with those movies. But special effects do not make a movie good.

But they came at a time Post Vietnam, Post Civil Rights Movement, after America endured so much civil and moral upheaval, that no one wanted movies of complex morality or shades of gray. That is why the big movies in the early 70s were disaster flicks. Earthquake, Towering Inferno, the Airport movies, Jaws, etc... They were always Man vs Nature, where there was not question of good or evil. Just people trying to survive against all odds.

Then Star Wars burst on the scene with a very simple good vs. evil story. It was exactly what the country needed to escape the failed wars and race riots and assassinations and crooked politicians and social upheaval of the recent past. It let us forget the ugly issues of reality, and slip back into the joy of a world where right and wrong were simple choices. Even now, 40 years later, the real world is not a simple place. Star Wars provides a nice safe haven for a few hours to escape the ugly reality of terrorism and genocide and travel to a world where the good guys actually can win.

I am afraid that if Star Wars loses that foundation, that what makes the whole franchise special will erode as well. Then it will be just one of many sci fi franchises.


Gotcha! See, the thing is Star Wars appeals to a wide range of people, young and old. I totally see where you are coming from and I know many people agree. Star Wars, at its core, is also about the hero's journey.

All of the movies, all eight of them, from episode 1-8, and the spin-off and the series named Rebels, are about the Republic, the Jedi, the Rebellion/Resistance as the protagonists. And that's great, for those who enjoy it which I know is a wide range of people. And you mention the being the Empire being "White Male Supremacists who are enslaving the entire galaxy and laying waste to entire worlds as they rape them of their natural resources." That's what the frame and narrative the movies have set them out to be, and its largely based on the point of view of the people who are fighting against them.

The main story of Rebels itself is a group of heroes joining together as a crew to fight against the tyrannical and evil Empire to help save the galaxy. The original trilogy is just the same with heroes like Luke, Leia, Han and company. One thing comes to mind though, and that's Obi-Wan's quotes: "The truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."

The opening crawl from Revenge of the Sith states: "There are heroes on both sides."

The fresh narrative for Battlefront II and Inferno Squad does honor the Star Wars legacy of a hero's journey, but the frame is set through the lens of an Imperial soldier. And that appeals to many people. Because at the end of the day one man's hero is another man's villain. I'm certain many of the japenese citizens felt the United States were the villains when they launched a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, claiming countless lives. And I'll stop right there as to not get into a political discussion, but again the Empire has its heroes, the Sith has its heroes. A hero can be defined by a person who, well, does heroic things.

The developers of the game basically set us in a path of a young woman born and raised in an Imperial world, schooled in knowledge of an Imperial utopia: order, security, peace. These ideals, deeply rooted into someone, is very difficult to destroy. So you have the perspective of those soldiers who whole-heartedly believe that the galaxy was saved by an Emperor, and a gang of evil fanatics/mages known as the Jedi where destroyed and the Clone Wars came to an end along with the seperatists. Then we have a group of people suddenly rise up to threaten what they perceive is good and just, and plan to throw a galaxy back into chaos and to restore a failed government that was ripe with corruption. The stormtroopers, in their eyes, believe the Rebels are terrorists and extremists, and they themselves to be the heroes to uphold law and order and are the hopes of a safer, more secure galaxy.

It is, in a way, "good vs evil", only because we are playing as one side. The Rebellion has heroes like Hera, Ezra, Sabine, Kanan Jarrus, Zeb, Jyn Erso, Luke and Leia Skywalker, etc and those are awesome stories to follow because they appeal to those who follow.

But the Empire has their heroes have different shifts in perspectives when we step into the shoes of those villains(from the hero's point of view). I probably sound like a broken record, but one of the makers of the game said:

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“If you are growing up in the Empire, Iden is exactly [a role model]. She is exactly that type of hero that you would look up to and that you would aspire to be, right? Because if you are a member of an Imperial academy, and you were trained into that and that’s what you believe in, that’s what you’ve been raised to sort of to become, she epitomises that. “She is still heroic on that level, just from a total different perspective. In a new point of view that we haven’t gone quite so deep in in Star Wars before.


tldr; Star Wars remains a great battle between good versus evil, and yet one man's evil is another man's good. I dare not quote Darth Vader about his point of view of the Jedi at the climax of Revenge of the Sith. The majority of fans sees the Empire as evil. Plenty of folks out there would be inclined to think otherwise, and that the rebellion are anarchists bent on upsetting the established order. The heroes are who we make them out to be.

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Posted by: SubRosa Apr 17 2017, 12:26 AM

And that is what I mean that the best villains are those who are convinced that what they are doing is right. Because from a certain point of view, genocide is a good thing. So is slavery, rape, etc... Ever since humans have been around, they have been finding excuses to justify their worst actions. Good villains don't just laugh maniacally and twirl their mustaches. They use logic and reason (and religion) to justify their actions. A good Star Wars villain will do the same.


Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 17 2017, 12:34 AM

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 16 2017, 10:47 PM) *

tldr; Star Wars remains a great battle between good versus evil, and yet one man's evil is another man's good. I dare not quote Darth Vader about his point of view of the Jedi at the climax of Revenge of the Sith. The majority of fans sees the Empire as evil. Plenty of folks out there would be inclined to think otherwise, and that the rebellion are anarchists bent on upsetting the established order. The heroes are who we make them out to be.

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This is something I've never understood, I'm not gonna lie.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2017, 12:43 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:34 PM) *

This is something I've never understood, I'm not gonna lie.

Which part? That many fans see the Empire as evil or that some see the Empire as a good thing?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 17 2017, 12:47 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 17 2017, 12:43 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:34 PM) *

This is something I've never understood, I'm not gonna lie.

Which part? That many fans see the Empire as evil or that some see the Empire as a good thing?


The latter.

I mean, just take a look at what happened to Alderaan, and why.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2017, 12:48 AM

On a side note, Khajiit still wants to know how the hell they recovered Anakin's lightsaber, lol

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:47 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 17 2017, 12:43 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:34 PM) *

This is something I've never understood, I'm not gonna lie.

Which part? That many fans see the Empire as evil or that some see the Empire as a good thing?


The latter.

I mean, just take a look at what happened to Alderaan, and why.

Gotcha

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 17 2017, 12:53 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 17 2017, 12:48 AM) *

On a side note, Khajiit still wants to know how the hell they recovered Anakin's lightsaber, lol

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:47 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 17 2017, 12:43 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:34 PM) *

This is something I've never understood, I'm not gonna lie.

Which part? That many fans see the Empire as evil or that some see the Empire as a good thing?


The latter.

I mean, just take a look at what happened to Alderaan, and why.

Gotcha


In universe, I can see why people would support the Empire. But we the audience see the Empire's actions without bias, unless they're accusing the film itself of that bias, in which case what is the opinion of the Empire based on? The whole viewpoint just makes no sense to me.

As for the lightsaber, I'm not sure they ever explained how it was recovered in the books when it popped up, either

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2017, 01:06 AM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 16 2017, 06:53 PM) *

In universe, I can see why people would support the Empire. But we the audience see the Empire's actions without bias, unless they're accusing the film itself of that bias, in which case what is the opinion of the Empire based on? The whole viewpoint just makes no sense to me.

This is a good point.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 17 2017, 01:18 AM

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 16 2017, 07:48 PM) *

On a side note, Khajiit still wants to know how the hell they recovered Anakin's lightsaber, lol

I figure that either it got caught in some kind of filter on Bespin, and eventually some maintenance worker came across it, perhaps years later.

Or more likely it fell off Cloud City entirely. It tumbled through the miles and miles of atmosphere (I think Bespin is a gas giant, so it's probably all atmosphere). Then some flying critter that lives in Bespin's skies ate it. It might be like a giant whale with a huge mouth that just scoops up all the hydrogen in its path. Then a hunter kills the whale, butchers it, and voila, lightsaber!

Either way, something as rare as a lightsaber would be worth a lot of money on the black market. So whoever found it probably sold it, and eventually it made its way into the hands of Mas Tequila.

Either way, the Force might be involved as well. Just like how the One Ring eventually wanted to be found. That lightsaber may have wanted to return to wreak more havoc in the lives of the Skywalker family. Seriously, I think that thing is cursed. Probably by the spirits of the younglings that Anakin murdered in the Jedi Temple. Anakin ended up with arms and legs chopped off, more machine than man, twisted and evil. Luke was lucky, and only lost a hand using it. I wonder what horrible thing is going to happen to Rey when she uses it in the next movie?

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