The Conspiracy Options

[Intestinal Chaos]

"(in responce to people who keep messaging me "conspiracies arn't real, there only on TV shows, I will now get on my soap box and rant, I apolgize for the terseness but im pissed.)
So there no conspiracies are there??

There are only 10 media companies in the world that own WOLRD WIDE over 95% of all television, cable, movies industery, video games,books and news papers. AOL/time warner,G.E.,ViaCom,Walt Disney company,Liberty Media corp,AT&T,News Corp,Bertelsmann,VIVENDI Universal, and sony. Take a look at what they own!! (http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html)
They are all deeply involved also in the military industerial complexe, pharmaceutical and oil conglomerates. There is NO LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE BIAS in the media ultimately, there is only a GLOBALIST AGENDA. In America for instance the Democrats and the Republicans can point the finger at each other all day long, the truth is, there both selling you up the river! Mean while as we argue over abortion rights and if gay people should marry or not, there burning the constitution,spending your social security money and making plans for more wars. Think those 2 hot spots will mean anything when the USA goes broke and turns into a dictatorship?!?! WAKE UP! Pro choice/life, Pro Gay or not, we are all going to be shipped to prison camps if this doesnt stop now. If you think that your being told the truth about 911, terrorism, electorial process, trade agreements, how people really feel about something, law or anything else, you are living in a dream world. Our leaders in the world are not elected, they are selected. It is the media who stands to gain the most from our fear, as we scamble like cowards to give up our rights just to be safe (they have all those weapons of war to sell us, all those chips to inplant in us, so we can all be safe). And who does the Media serve? Corperate intrests, that is to say there fat piggy wigglely selves. Turn off the TV and fight for Media reform and demonoplization. The media is ment to educate the masses to make informed decisions to live in a democracy. Yet now they are there instead to manufacture our concent. That spells the end of freedom and the beginning of the darkest facist nightmare this world has ever seen if its not stopped soon.
So remember No matter how many people repeat a Lie, its still a dirty stinking filthy Lie. The truth isnt going to come to you through a corperate owned Media. Search for the truth yourself and it will set you free." -TSHansen

This post has been edited by Intestinal Chaos: Jul 28 2005, 10:18 PM

[Kiln]

Dude, you're cool and all but this is insanity. Surely not everything is a conspiracy to make the U.S. go broke and turn it into a Dictatorship...I mean come on. You are entitled to your opinion but I am as well and my opinion is this is completely insane...or maybe I just say that because I'm president Bush desguised as someone who dislikes him.
Mwahahahahaha...wait is that laugh copyrighted?

[Intestinal Chaos]

I understand how you could think that, but choosing a political party is customising just what ways you wish to be limited, they both ultimately in the end do what the either party wishes to do, own you.

This may not happen now but it will, 100 years?, 200 years?

The current media is a big fat pie of agenda and control. If you don't agree with my others views you at least have to agree the 95% media monopoly has you a little chilled.

This post has been edited by Intestinal Chaos: Jul 28 2005, 10:14 PM

[Kiln]

Just in case it happens in a couple hundred years, when I have kids I'll warn them to warn their kids to warn their kids that this will happen and they will train their kids to fight and they will start a revolution.

[Intestinal Chaos]

Well I belive MOST of what that says, afterall those aren't my words (I'm editing those words to put quotes up right now) but the media and political parties are just bad news.

This post has been edited by Intestinal Chaos: Jul 28 2005, 10:17 PM

[DoomedOne]

You're jumping to conclusions.

The corporations have usurped more power from this planet than we can ever begin to understand. They have most politicians in their pockets. For instance, it's the corporations selling the government all of their equipment, and likewise these corporations are usually granted the biggest say over matters, possibly because they gave the best "deal." It's under the table stuff, and it's today's form of bribery.

I agree though, the media is biased, but not in favor of liberals or radcons, but of corporations and the corporate agenda. In a way, it is a conspiracy because it's their decision what we read and see. That's why publicly owned media is so important, media that isn't paid for, but that survives on small, numerous donations. It's the only way we can be assured they don't have a corporate agenda, but of course most of these stations have an agenda for either the liberals or radical conservatives.

[Kiln]

Alright if you want to talk about this seriously then I do admit that the media filters what we hear in order to get us to believe what they want but I hardly believe this will lead to a dictatorship in the U.S.A.

[Intestinal Chaos]

You're jumping to conclusions.

The corporations have usurped more power from this planet than we can ever begin to understand.  They have most politicians in their pockets.  For instance, it's the corporations selling the government all of their equipment, and likewise these corporations are usually granted the biggest say over matters, possibly because they gave the best "deal."  It's under the table stuff, and it's today's form of bribery.

I agree though, the media is biased, but not in favor of liberals or radcons, but of corporations and the corporate agenda.  In a way, it is a conspiracy because it's their decision what we read and see.  That's why publicly owned media is so important, media that isn't paid for, but that survives on small, numerous donations.  It's the only way we can be assured they don't have a corporate agenda, but of course most of these stations have an agenda for either the liberals or radical conservatives.

I agree exactly what you say, the first post I made on this thread was just a quote of someone elses words. It's bribery and control, the biggest threat is the corporations who are controlling just what political parties and the american people think.

They may or may not realise this but it isn't a political party agenda it's a corporate one.

This post has been edited by Intestinal Chaos: Jul 28 2005, 10:24 PM

[DoomedOne]

Here's a good example of how political disputes basically play into Corporate hands too.

Are you a Coke guy or Pepsi guy?

Guess what? Most of the money goes to the same people, they're owned by the same parent company.

[Intestinal Chaos]

Yes yes exactly They inspire false competition in people and consquently sales go up!

Or the Y2K thing. It was very under control but it was let out a little early to promote compulsive armageddon buying.

[Chumbaniya]

I'm sceptical of the whole conspiracy thing. Then again, I'm not at all used to the idea of having purely commercialised media, as I live in Britain. The majority of my news information comes from the BBC, which has always been a completely impartial information source.

[DoomedOne]

Well BBC gets its funds by Off-shored American Corporations so don't think it doesn't have its ties as well.

[Intestinal Chaos]

Well BBC gets its funds by Off-shored American Corporations so don't think it doesn't have its ties as well.

I always knew there was something fishy about BBC

[ShogunSniper]

i didn't read that huge post, but we didn't go to the moon!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: ok i read it and i don't know what to think but...ah hell i don't know and i don't really care

This post has been edited by ShogunSniper: Jul 28 2005, 11:18 PM

[Chumbaniya]

Well BBC gets its funds by Off-shored American Corporations so don't think it doesn't have its ties as well.

Where does this information come from?

Ultimately, the information for conspiracy theories is just as shaky as the information that these theories relate to. Unless you somehow find out all of the information about the conspiracy yourself, you have to rely on some form of media, which, by the logic of conspiracy theorists, is likely to be just as shaky as they say the information given by the mainstream media is.

[Konji]

I have only one comment, and I wouldn't be surprised if it has been said before. (I haven't read the whole thread...) It depends what you mean by 'truth'

[i_am_the_billy]

that's all interesting and all, but 4 me
ignorence is bliss

[Slayer of Cliffracers]

The whole prison camps and dictatorship thing is a joke, you don't need a dictatorship or prison camps to hold tyrinnical power, you can do so more subtly than that and if you're the right person (ie a rich one) with minimal difficulty or effort.

The problem with democracy and there is a problem is that it's caught between two forces the market and goverment nepotism, both of whom do not answer to the electorate. The market consists of wealthy owners, landowners, media owners, owners of the means of production etc, often reffered to as the private sector. Goverment nepotism reffers to the tendancy of goverments to set up large self-serving buerocracies, that ultimately conspire to keep their own jobs.

Now democracy is an idealism, not a reality no country has ever been democratic in the history of humanity, only come within varying lengths of it. Democracy means "rule by the people". Who are "the people" and who has power over them. There is a marked tendacy of every group of people to look after it's own interests and the interests of the people are not unified. There is an essential conflict between rich and poor and several lesser conflicts, between religions, groups, ideologies etc.

In every society their is repression, repression of those that oppose the accepted veiw of the ruling class, whatever that ruling class may believe in. In dictatorships this takes the form of censorship of the media and often violant elimination of rival veiws. This results in goverment nepotism, where power is centralised into the hands of the goverment and the goverment elite thus decides on it's own what veiws and policies it will adopt and short of mass uprising or altruistic power-sharing with lesser classes, nothing can change this.

Parlimentary democracies however are based on control of either demographic magorities or control over key constituancies by factions. Now this logically results in stalemate, the factions are not allowed to repress opposing veiws, so this means that there hold on power is weak. This in turn makes them dependant on the media and upon the buisness elite and sometimes unions as power brokers, increasing their dependance upon such groups, who have the neccesery resouses to sway things there way, in exchange however they become dominated by them. In the end this means they are forced to answer to those elites that back their tenuous grasp on power, rather than to the electorate or even the ideologies they are supposed to espound.

Now democracies, now dominated by such groups subtly repress all groups that oppose their own ideologies and interests. They campaign vigourously to protect their own interests, while stamping on anyone who opposes "democracy" or has veiws that threaten their position in society. Hence the medias coverage, does it's best to create political division in society, whilst subtly making sure that the side they favor wins, on all issues that directly effect their position in society.

This post has been edited by Slayer of Cliffracers: Aug 1 2005, 04:03 PM

[ShogunSniper]

that's all interesting and all, but 4 me
ignorence is bliss

what makes that funny is the fact that you spelled ignorance wrong.

[Intestinal Chaos]

that's all interesting and all, but 4 me
ignorence is bliss

Seems like he's following that motto.