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Posted by: Epy May 6 2006, 03:39 AM

Hullo, people!

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Posted by: 1234king May 6 2006, 04:10 AM

ahhh good to be back in my favorite coffee shop, with my favorite company

"grabs cake and coffee while waiting for other people to stop by"

Posted by: Ibis May 6 2006, 07:33 AM

Joins 1234king at scoffing down cake and coffee .... thinking, "I hope people show up soon to talk 'cause I am getting quite a sugar/caffeine buzz going on here".

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 08:12 AM

Mmmm.... cake for breakfast! Anyone else really love cake for breakfast?

I remember a vacation in Greece - Crete to be precise - that me and my family went on when I was very young (I think I must have been between 3 and 6). It was the easter holidays, and to celebrate this very important holiday, the tv was on all day shoing the patriarch of the greek-orthodox church leading the ceremony with a lot of chanting and such, and they offered cake and orange juice for breakfast, in addition to all the normal things you'd expect. It was a new concept to me and I liked it! Mmmm, cake! I just woke up and I could really go for some cafe au lait and cake right now!

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 08:24 AM

Ouch, my good man, let us not go to that bloody, sad place again... People should not be judged for their race, nation or religion - only by their actions. That is why I don't hate people because of all these things... I hate them if they act like a**holes and deserve to be hated (like good ol' Sloba, God stomp his soul).

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 09:19 AM

ahhh good to be back in my favorite coffee shop, with my favorite company

"grabs cake and coffee while waiting for other people to stop by"

Joins 1234king at scoffing down cake and coffee .... thinking, "I hope people show up soon to talk 'cause I am getting quite a sugar/caffeine buzz going on here".

Mmmm.... cake for breakfast! Anyone else really love cake for breakfast?

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 09:27 AM

Anyway since this is a coffee-shop.....How do you like your coffee?With sugar?Cream?Something else?
Myself i like a strong black coffee,with no sugar,cream or whatever.
Ugh,those things just strip away the aroma.

Posted by: Ibis May 6 2006, 09:37 AM

Moved here from "Introduce yourself" -- stargelman

Good luck on your pharmacy exams, Foster. You sound like a very interesting and well-rounded person. You'd probably get along famously with my sister out in Berkeley, Calif. who is a world traveler as well.
She travels quite often to Europe, sometimes with her company, sometimes on vacation. Her very favorite country is Italy though. She and her friend from San Francisco visit and stay with her friend's grandparents in Northern Italy ... so she feels very at home there and speaks fluent Italian.

Posted by: Ibis May 6 2006, 09:40 AM

When I said sugar/caffeine rush ... I meant cake/coffee high. But I must admit that my favorite kind of coffee is cappucino ... which I'm sure has sugar in it somewhere.

Posted by: Foster May 6 2006, 10:52 AM

Thanks, though to be honest I don't really care if I pass or fail too much. Five years has kind of just sucked all will to live out of me, and I'm only sitting them because everyone else whinges at me if I don't. There's very little you can do with a Masters in Pharmacy other than be a Pharmacist, in practical terms.

And I'm really not a well-rounded person, though its nice of you to say. I'm pretty much an boatmaster. Certainly I'm the only pharmacy student that I've ever known with a green mohawk and a habit of referring to the governing body as an evil coven of witches. Still, in one month and a few days, it'll all be over. Kind of like a really strange lucid dream.


Oh, and I don't really know what to make of Italy. I've only been to Rome, but it's a very strange place. Everything is so fast and passionate, yet so much seems uncared for and unloved. Rome itself is a horrible mess of dilapidated housing and mad driving, but through all that as you walk around you realise that it's more. Every time you turn the corner you discover some relic that time has forgotten, an incredible masterpiece of Bernini, a piaza surrounded by magnificent churches, a 2000 year old building roaring with majestic power. It's a real Indiana Jones type city - treasures waiting to be discovered in what initially appears to be just a backward, almost provincial, city that needs a little attention and love.

I think my favorite country is probably Austria.

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 6 2006, 11:21 AM

Wish you good luck with you're exams Foster

It's pretty much morning for me now at 12:18... Waiting for my fresh baguette to cool down a little bit. Great weather and very warm here in Norway today, around 21 degrees due to the warm weather in Serbia was it?

So today I'm going to fix my bike and all that, clean it, oil it and all that stuff. Play some football with friends hopefully, pluss that I'm going to take some pic's of my fathers newly bought Harley

Well I'm gonna make myself a sandwich now

Posted by: minque May 6 2006, 04:22 PM

Mmmm.... cake for breakfast! Anyone else really love cake for breakfast?

.....How do you like your coffee?With sugar?Cream?Something else?
Myself i like a strong black coffee,with no sugar,cream or whatever.
Ugh,those things just strip away the aroma.

I can understand your aversion to sugaring your coffee. I do like my coffee with cream though. I'll drink it black if I must, though. My favorite type of caffeinated beverage is of cause cafe au lait and a good http://www.zibb.nl/horeca/artimg/a20031425205264.JPG.

When I said sugar/caffeine rush ... I meant cake/coffee high. But I must admit that my favorite kind of coffee is cappucino ... which I'm sure has sugar in it somewhere.

Posted by: DoomedOne May 6 2006, 05:07 PM

Everyone, listen up, this is last two minutes online for a long time, I'm moving and I won't have internet connection again until the 15th.

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 05:08 PM

That macchiato thingy loka awfully tasty, whatīs in it?

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 05:09 PM

Everyone, listen up, this is last two minutes online for a long time, I'm moving and I won't have internet connection again until the 15th.

Posted by: minque May 6 2006, 05:32 PM

Everyone, listen up, this is last two minutes online for a long time, I'm moving and I won't have internet connection again until the 15th.

Quoting Wikipedia:

"A latte macchiato is a latte (espresso with steamed milk topped with foam), but instead of having the espresso shots on the bottom, pouring the espresso on top of the foam. These shots should also be ristretto shots, which are shots taken out about halfway through the duration of the pull. You are left with half a shot, containing the crema and some of the body. This shot is considered sweeter because it does not contain the "heart"."

Posted by: Mazelure May 6 2006, 05:41 PM

Do you know how I like my coffee? Just get a cup and add sugar and then pour in the coffee and then dump all of it on the sink and then fill up the cup with cold milk and I'll drink it with Brownies...mmmmm...Brownies... or cake... I fancy both

Posted by: Foster May 6 2006, 05:42 PM

I know this is coming out of the blue totally, but seeing as how you can ask questions here I thought I would, rather than start a thread to ask a question. One of the first things I learnt on the forums is never to ask for help because you just get told to shut up. Anyway, you know the role-playing forum? Is that solely for Oblivion/Elder Scrolls stuff? Because I know about an RPG that might starting over pbem that has absolutely nothing to do with the Elder scrolls, and wasn't sure if it was worth mentioning it or not.

I seriously don't see what people see in Coffee, though. Can't stand the stuff, it's like black poison. A nice cup of tea with a squirt of cow juice though, that goes down a right treat.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 05:58 PM

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 06:04 PM

Official TES forum?

Well,a lot of people can't understand how can you drink a tea with milk!
I know that's quite common in England,but not much everywhere else

Coffee has a certain aroma......A good aroma.Maybe you just didn't have a GOOD cup of coffee

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 6 2006, 06:06 PM

Can we stop talking within this subject of tea, coffee and such - I know this is the Coffee Shop but I have no knowledge about such things I'll go and steal a beer from the fridge so we can talk about something else...

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 06:10 PM

I'll go and steal a beer from the fridge so we can talk about something else...

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 06:17 PM

http://www.staropramen.cz/staropramen/public/starous/images/reklama/staropramen.jpg - the beer from the inventors of the Pils.

First drank it in Prague when I was around 16. Great stuff.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 06:24 PM

Hey check this out!

http://www.waiting4oblivion.com/forums/index.php?showuser=2 - http://www.staropramen.cz/staropramen/public/starous/images/reklama/staropramen.jpg

Was that an inspiration for your nickname?

Posted by: minque May 6 2006, 06:35 PM

I know this is coming out of the blue totally, but seeing as how you can ask questions here I thought I would, rather than start a thread to ask a question. One of the first things I learnt on the forums is never to ask for help because you just get told to shut up. Anyway, you know the role-playing forum? Is that solely for Oblivion/Elder Scrolls stuff? Because I know about an RPG that might starting over pbem that has absolutely nothing to do with the Elder scrolls, and wasn't sure if it was worth mentioning it or not.

I seriously don't see what people see in Coffee, though. Can't stand the stuff, it's like black poison. A nice cup of tea with a squirt of cow juice though, that goes down a right treat.

Official TES forum?

Well,a lot of people can't understand how can you drink a tea with milk!
I know that's quite common in England,but not much everywhere else

Coffee has a certain aroma......A good aroma.Maybe you just didn't have a GOOD cup of coffee

Actually, that would depend on the type of tea. Some types go really very well with milk: assam for instance. It's a strong, "bland" aroma that can use a strong partner like milk.

It would be sacrilege to taint the subtle aroma of a fine Darjeeling with anything, though.

It is kind of bitter though. You stop noticing it after a short while, but not everyone is fond of that. Also, a lot of people really like the smell but not the taste. I used to be one of them! I only got into drinking coffee when I was doing civil service, and mainly because I had to cook so much of it and never had a way of knowing if it was any good

Posted by: 1234king May 6 2006, 06:43 PM

When I said sugar/caffeine rush ... I meant cake/coffee high. But I must admit that my favorite kind of coffee is cappucino ... which I'm sure has sugar in it somewhere.

Posted by: 1234king May 6 2006, 06:45 PM

oh sorry didn't know we changed the subject to beer. i've gone to some party's and knocked some back with my friends. i can't steal any from the fridge though becuz my parents don't drink. my favorite type of beer is kokanee.

Posted by: Foster May 6 2006, 07:00 PM

I'm teetotal, haven't had a drink for just over a year. Before that though I was all about the real ales - Old Speckled Hen, Abbot Ale and Timothy Taylor's 'Landlord' being particular favorites. Most certainly a bitter drinker, I was.

Posted by: Olav May 6 2006, 08:28 PM

Ah, new fresh coffee-shop? Black coffee person myself, but always have a latte macchiato after lunch at work. No milk or sugar in normal black coffee! And only sugar in tea...

Relaxing with a cool Guinness now, by the way. My favorite 'beverage with carousel-taste'...

Posted by: stargelinho May 6 2006, 09:26 PM

Hey check this out!

http://www.waiting4oblivion.com/forums/index.php?showuser=2 - http://www.staropramen.cz/staropramen/public/starous/images/reklama/staropramen.jpg

Was that an inspiration for your nickname?

Posted by: HyPN0 May 6 2006, 09:34 PM

Staropramen - http://www.carved-eggs.com/images/Opra.jpg? 

Posted by: Ibis May 6 2006, 09:48 PM

Cain & I no longer imbibe in alcohol ... but when we did drink beer, back in the band days, our favorite beer was Killian's Red.

I also forgot to say goodbye to Doomed_One. I hope I'm not too late, probably am ... but we shall miss you Doom until your return.

Posted by: Channler May 7 2006, 12:10 AM

Posted by: treydog May 7 2006, 02:25 AM

Good luck on the SAT and the finals, Channler- I am sure you will do well.

Beer- used to love dark beers myself- Heineken dark, Lowenbrau dark, Guiness. Also cream ale. Now I don't drink any alcohol. Makes life better for Mrs. Treydog- and I don't need it...

Been fighting off my second nasty cold of the spring- I thought they were supposed to taper off as we get older....

Take care, all. Mrs. Treydog will be making brownies and raisin bread (I am outa the kitchen until I get well.)

Posted by: Ibis May 7 2006, 04:08 AM

Well, since we are chatting in the coffee shop and have said farewell to the Doomed One for a short period of time ... it made me think about Intestinal Chaos and wondering how he and his friends are doing camping out until they can move into their apartment.

I hope all is going well for them. The world can be such a harsh place at times. We who sit in our warm, lit-up little homes huddled to the warmth of our monitor screens don't really think about how lucky we have it, not only to have a home but to be internationally connected on the internet. So tied in.

It's a very different world when you are looking up at the moon without owning a place of your own and you look longingly at the bright windows of the people in the houses and think about what you'd do if you get to be so lucky again. When we lived in our station wagon, I longed for a porch light to turn on every sunset. I finally got a very nice one and now another.

So it shall be for Stomach Ache, I hope. I think he will have to go through this hard time and then will really appreciate what he achieves by his own hand - not handed to him by parents. Never let any of us take for granted the blessings we have.

Posted by: 1234king May 7 2006, 04:40 AM

i tottaly agree wtih you. that's why i always give money to homeless people when i walk by them. but anyways, where have i been, where is doomed one. and good luck on your finals, and im sure you did superb on your SAT's.

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 7 2006, 05:01 AM

Rainer once saw a Street Musician in Banff. (Toursit town in the Provinvce Rainer lives in)

He couldn't think of anything else to do with his money, so he gave him Ten dollars.

Oh, and Rainer will aslo take one of the cakes

Posted by: 1234king May 7 2006, 05:27 AM

Rainer once saw a Street Musician in Banff. (Toursit town in the Provinvce Rainer lives in)

He couldn't think of anything else to do with his money, so he gave him Ten dollars.

Oh, and Rainer will aslo take one of the cakes

Posted by: Ibis May 7 2006, 06:28 AM

Cool that you guys are neighbors & I will take another peice of cake too, please.

Even cooler that you give money to homeless people, that is very kind. I know many people look down on them - but those same people may not realize that the losing of their job, some snag why unemployment will be delayed to them, the landlord demands immediate payment & oops, they themselves could slide out onto the street. It happens.

I thank both 1234king & Khajiit Overlord Rainer that you are so kind to others less fortunate.

Posted by: Kayla May 7 2006, 08:21 AM

Ah. I just got back from Prom. It was very special because it was my boyfriend's senior prom. It was really nice and romantic too.

Right in the middle of the dance, a guy proposed to his girlfriend... I've never seen anyone propose to anyone else and it was really cool... Though, I don't think they should be getting married right out of highschool.

We went to an afterparty at a friend's house and played Dance Dance Revolution. I'm really bad at that game. Especially in high heels.

Posted by: Ibis May 7 2006, 09:41 AM

It sounds like a lovely evening Kayla and a memorable one that you and your boyfriend can remember for years to come. Make the very, very most of your summer together before he goes to college. Fill it with tenderly memorable moments as well.
Ah to be young again!
Ibis

Posted by: Pisces May 7 2006, 10:55 AM

Ah yes the joys of youth, not having to worry about the fact that I won't get out of university for 10 years and $35'000 if I can't make up my mind on which subject to take and stick to it.

My favourite beer is Hoegaarden or Brew moon (a organic NZ beer)

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 7 2006, 01:18 PM

Cool that you guys are neighbors & I will take another peice of cake too, please.

Even cooler that you give money to homeless people, that is very kind. I know many people look down on them - but those same people may not realize that the losing of their job, some snag why unemployment will be delayed to them, the landlord demands immediate payment & oops, they themselves could slide out onto the street. It happens.

I thank both 1234king & Khajiit Overlord Rainer that you are so kind to others less fortunate.

Posted by: Foster May 7 2006, 02:05 PM

I don't give money to beggars, because I don't believe that, just because circumstance has given them that position, they should have an automatic right to expect money from everyone else. I've had them yell abuse at me and then ask for 20p, or claim to be diabetic and need to go to the hospital...all kinds of pathetic lies. Personally I have more respect for someone who actually works and gets themselves out of that situation, rather than succumbing to just sitting on their scabby backsides, bugging the hell out of passers by and saying things like "look into your heart..." in a mournful tone, as though the fact that I've worked my british boat off to afford a burger is justification for me to give it to them for free.

There is always SOMETHING that can be done. Even if it's street entertainment. I'd rather give my money to a talentless busker than a beggar that just seems to think he has some god-given right to be supported by everyone else. And it annoys the hell out of me that charity workers automatically assume that you're loaded just because you try and look presentable and can scrape enough to get by. I once was walking through LAX and one said "Fine, go and enjoy your burger." I ripped into that one like no tomorrow. I showed her exactly how much I had in my wallet, and exactly what I'd been through in the last 24 hours, and I rammed her rhetoric down her throat until she burst out crying and left. That made me feel very good. The ironic thing is that, with student loans, I am in infinitely more finanical trouble (the kind of debt that you can stick 4 zeros after) than any of these lazy beggars, but you don't see me parading myself and expecting anything for free.

Posted by: Red May 7 2006, 02:26 PM

I don't give money to the homeless, I give them food. When I have some time and I see a mentally fit homeless person in need of food, I buy them a sub or make them a sandwich, give them a blanket, maybe a cheap carrying case and the location of the new homeless shelter. I find it more reasonable because it helps you stay away from giving money to drug abusers and alchoholics, and you don't have to fear giving money to a pan handling thief (one who pretends to be homeless).

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 03:29 PM

The ironic thing is that, with student loans, I am in infinitely more finanical trouble (the kind of debt that you can stick 4 zeros after) than any of these lazy beggars, but you don't see me parading myself and expecting anything for free.

I find it more reasonable because it helps you stay away from giving money to drug abusers and alchoholics, and you don't have to fear giving money to a pan handling thief (one who pretends to be homeless).

Posted by: Mazelure May 7 2006, 04:27 PM

Hey I know this is way out of topic but I'm getting my 360 and Oblivion on June 23
Ohhh yeah.... by the way has anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire" yet... just wondering...

Posted by: Foster May 7 2006, 05:19 PM

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 05:54 PM

Currently I don't have a source of income, and I don't even have a job lined up. In fact, I don't even know if I want one.

Hey I know this is way out of topic but I'm getting my 360 and Oblivion on June 23
Ohhh yeah.... by the way has anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire" yet... just wondering...

Posted by: Mazelure May 7 2006, 06:14 PM

Yeah Tom Cruise was in it playing the roll of a vampire called Lestat I think... but he was not the only big star in the movie... Brad Pitt played the roll of the main character. A vampire named Loui or something and Antonio Banderas played the roll of the eldest vampire on earth. There was also this little gril who played the roll of a vampire who was sphyco... if you read the books you would know that she would sit down on a bench at night and cry untill a unsuspecting elderly woman or anyone comes close to comfort her and then she will get them and they would be screwed... big time... and then she will keep they're corpses upon her bed... but at the end she gets killed horribly (well if you were a vampire) anyways you should see that movie again...I'm recenlty trying to hunt it down and buy it...but all my efferts have gone to vain... I cant find a single copy of it yet... it's so depressing.

Posted by: Foster May 7 2006, 06:46 PM

This may be very dumb to ask,but how are you going to survive if you don't get a job? And how do you think to pay the loan debt if you don't work?

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 07:11 PM

I would answer, but it really isn't any of your business.

Posted by: 1234king May 7 2006, 07:18 PM

Hey I know this is way out of topic but I'm getting my 360 and Oblivion on June 23
Ohhh yeah.... by the way has anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire" yet... just wondering...

Posted by: Olav May 7 2006, 07:35 PM

Well this will probably get the thread closed like the other one (why do they always get closed when it starts getting interesting?), but I'd like to comment on the beggar/homeless issue.

They get closed because the posts go off-topic, personal insults appear or because of a transformation into utter spam.

I must admit I've never seen a beggar, so I haven't given any money to them. Some of you may be aware that Norway has been 'awarded' the world's best country to live in (whatever that means) for the last 5-6 years or so (Canada in 2nd place), and so there are no beggars or homeless.

Anyway after watching the news lately I've learned that begging was actually illegal in Norway until recently. Since it was allowed a few months ago there have apparently become lots of foreign beggars in the capital, Oslo. It's starting to become a problem, since the beggars mostly turn out to be quite wealthy and take advantage of the goodwill of trusting Norwegians not used to beggars.

Anyway, there is a shortage of workers in Norway, so anyone allowed to be here should be able to get work. Those who can't work for any reason at all (whether they're war veterans, chronically diseased, alcoholics, drug addicts and what have you) get a place to live and money from the government for food, clothes, medical services/treatment etc. Those who will not accept work offered by the employment office get a few chances to say no until they're finally cut off from economic support. Then it's their own fault for not making money, and should receive no sympathy. I don't believe there are many of these, but if there are they probably make money from criminal activities.

Finally regarding street musicians; they are not poor at all! I give them money if they're good, as should be the only reason for giving them any. But having been a musician for many years I know quite a few street musicians. They say that it's not uncommon to bring in about 3000 NOK (about 450 euros/dollars) on a good day. This depends on where they play of course. Stavanger (my home city) is a great place to play they say, while London is a good number 2. These are musicians that could have made a good living playing in clubs etc., but instead choose to travel the world, which is ok in my book. But believe me they are not suffering (if they are they are not good musicians and should find other work).

Anyway I understand that the world is big, and not many countries have such social benefits as Norway. If I'd lived in a country with slum and lots of poor and homeless people I would probably have given them money whenever I could, if I believed they were really poor and in need.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 07:52 PM

Anyway I understand that the world is big, and not many countries have such social benefits as Norway. If I'd lived in a country with slum and lots of poor and homeless people I would probably have given them money whenever I could, if I believed they were really poor and in need.

Posted by: Olav May 7 2006, 08:08 PM

Ok I haven't got the patience to do all the quoting, so I answer quote by quote...

- Thanks for clearing up the closing issue. I was under the impression that only 'silly coffee talk' was allowed in this thread, and not more serious matters.

- Never seen a beggar in real life, only on TV. I may have seen some when I was traveling around the world with my father who was a sailor when I was a kid, but I can't remember.

- Social welfare in Norway is not very much compared to the high prices here. I think it's a minimum of about 7-800 euros/dollars a month. This is for food etc. A place to live and medical care etc. is extra.

- Well you have to be a member of the EEC (not EU) to come here to work. Norway is not part of the EU. Or you have to be an 'approved immigrant', meaning you come from other countries and have been granted asylum for political reasons etc.

- Yes I think the Netherlands is quite similar to Norway regarding social services.

- NOK means Norwegian kroners, and no we don't use euro here...

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 08:18 PM

Thank you for answering,honestly i didn't know that Norway isn't a part of EU.

It's better that way i think.I haven't been in Nederland for a long time,but my uncle tells me that it was WAAAAY better before Euro came.But,oh well....

Posted by: Olav May 7 2006, 08:37 PM

Well there have been two elections so far where the population could vote for or against EU membership, once in the 70's and once in the 90's. Both times the no-side got a slight majority. It's still pretty equal I think, when they have those surveys.

Personally I'm for EU membership, as I believe it is a great idea that will benefit every member countries in the long run. When every country is developed properly and produce items for trade, this will benefit everyone. People will be happier and there will be less conflicts and wars. It might take decades or even centuries before everyone is equally well set, but when they are it will be a very strong union, economically, cultural, military etc.

Most Norwegians who vote no are afraid that they'll loose their comfortable way of living, selfish, those short-sighted idiots...

Posted by: HyPN0 May 7 2006, 08:42 PM

Most Norwegians who vote no are afraid that they'll loose their comfortable way of living, selfish, those short-sighted idiots...   

Posted by: Mazelure May 7 2006, 09:20 PM

By the way 1234king I rented Interview with a Vampire via NetFlixs or whatever it go's by but I guess you can rented somewhere or buy it on ebay but I dont like to shop through the Internet... maybe thats just me... and yeah it is worth the wait for Oblivion... I recently played it at my friends house and it was awsome!!!!

By the way Foster I live in the U.S. and I realy havent found a copy of it jet but I'm taking into consideration stealing my friends copy... its just so damn cool... Interview with a Vampire rocks man!

Posted by: Foster May 7 2006, 09:21 PM

Virgin should have a copy.

Posted by: Mazelure May 7 2006, 09:25 PM

Who the hell is Virgin?

Posted by: Foster May 7 2006, 09:44 PM

Virgin Megastores. It's a big shop that sells all kinds of DVDs, CDs, T-shirts and other assorted goodies.

Posted by: Mazelure May 7 2006, 10:09 PM

Never heard of it... but it sounds like its my kind of store!!!

Posted by: 1234king May 7 2006, 11:27 PM

i too Mazelure have played Oblivion at a friends house and rendered the verdict that it totally kicks a$$. but alas my parents want me to do something to earn it or to make the money myself. im too lazy to make the money myself so she said i had to get straight A's and B's on my final report card which shouldn't be too hard cuz things are going splendid in school.

Posted by: Mazelure May 8 2006, 03:49 AM

Hey me too... only in my case it was more among the lines "get a hair cut and a job you lazy hippie!!!" and so I did and as soon I get my greedy hands on Oblivion and a 360 I'm quiting my job.

Man I just cant wait for Oblivion and my 360 ... I just cant sleep or eat so I've been listening to metal and counting the minutes until I am able to afford it... man everything is so expensive now days... what is this world coming to...

but I guess the wait makes the game even more enjoyable once we obtain it right?

Until then I'll be rocking on with Devil Driver

Posted by: Kayla May 8 2006, 04:05 AM

Devil Driver!

*Headbangs*

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 8 2006, 04:39 AM

If Rainer "headbangs", it is ussualy to Incantation.

Posted by: Ibis May 8 2006, 04:39 AM

well I can see that none of you have ever been out on the streets. I'm glad for you. There are so many misconceptions concerning the homeless.
Everyone criticizes them for not working, but you know, most of them want to work. The problem is ... if you go to the social services offices to get aide - they give you a form to fill out that requires at least an address and of course you don't have one - so they say they cannot help you.
When you go on job interviews, it's the same thing - how is the employer going to contact you later about a job if you have no address and no phone number? It may be better now with cell phones.
We were never bums because we worked 2 restaurant jobs each daily while living in our car. But we were smart, we got a post office box for receiving mail before we set out. But still, we had to make up excuses on why we used a P.O. Box & pretend we actually did live somewhere or no one would hire freaks living in their car.

It is so easy to slide out onto the streets homeless ... any 2 or 3 simultaneous calamities will do it for most people. It is an UNBELIEVABLE upstream swim to get back into regular society and have a job and a home again. Hope it never happens to the uninitiated here.

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The person who owes so much money for college debt - hmmmm, didn't you ASK FOR MONEY in order to go to school? Why is that more acceptable than asking for money for a sandwich when your hungry?

Overall, I'd advise people not to be so harsh in your judgement of others. Your words may come back to bite you sometime. I hope you'll remember them then.

And as a veteran I'll give my opinion that the people who've kept you sleeping safe in your beds while they kept watch, deserve to live a fruitful life in the society they guarded.

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Forgot to say that Interview With A Vampire was indeed a really excellent movie. It is worth seeing twice and/or owning. The acting was superb, the plot was exciting and unexpected at times and it really just lent a window into the "humaness" of vampirism and I believe it was one of the landmark media events that made vampire-interest & the goth movement the immersive phenomena they are today.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 8 2006, 08:33 AM

Anyway,here in Nederland i don't give money to begars.
Nederland has one of the best social systems in the world.Social help is 800 Euros which is enough to get a small room,to eat and to always be dressed.A minimal thing for a human being,but it's here until you get the job.The only people that are beging are those who spend their money in casinos,are druged or drunk the whole day,don't want to spend thier time on education (Nederland gives a lot of options on this field).Such people simply don't deserve to be given any charity

Posted by: Foster May 8 2006, 09:58 AM

Posted by: Pisces May 8 2006, 10:39 AM

I've never seen anyone begging, the social services aren't that good around here but the charity services are so you can get free meals with 100% reliability. Most of them aren't there because they are too lazy to work, but rather the perfer the free lifestyle (which I can completely understand); you could distain them for relying on charity but we rely on charity for the first ~13 years of our lives, then we rely on charity everytime we go to school, everytime we go to hospitial and everytime we go to our job (with very few exceptions). And don't forget a loan is charity, you can't say you'll pay it back untill you have, especially when you don't have a job.

Now I have never met a beggar personally but I would buy them some food then ask them if they wanted me to get them a job, if they do then I'll clean them up and try to get them a job at a supermarket, letting them use my postal address (I'll claim that we never bothered connecting the phone). Though in NZ I know they can use the city mission as a postal address, but some employers will recognise the city mission address and won't hire them out of prejudgice or just because they turned up looking like compassion. Everyone who says that homeless should just get a job is another reason why they can't get a job.

Also with busking, if you have no instruments or talent then what the hell are you going to do?

Posted by: 1234king May 8 2006, 04:18 PM

We were never bums because we worked 2 restaurant jobs each daily while living in our car. But we were smart, we got a post office box for receiving mail before we set out. But still, we had to make up excuses on why we used a P.O. Box & pretend we actually did live somewhere or no one would hire freaks living in their car.

Posted by: Channler May 9 2006, 02:19 AM

Hmm.. I don't like when people compare the USA to any other country..

Statistics lie like a umbrella seller. The Netherlands (random choice) has 16.4 million people. Thats.. 282,132,590 million people less then the US. The Netherlands population division is also..

80.8% Dutch, 5.6% other European (including 2.4% German), 2.4% Indonesian (Indo-European, Indo-Dutch, Moluccan), 2.2% Turks, 2.0% Surinamese, 1.9% Moroccan, 0.8% Antillean and Aruban, and 4.2% other

America...

According to the 2000 census, the country has 31 ethnic groups with at least one million members each, and numerous others represented in smaller amounts. Taken from data in 2003, the largest ethnic group is white, making up 81.7% of the population. Others include black (12.9%), Asian (4.2%), Amerindian and Alaska native (1%), and native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander (0.2%).[47][49]


Trying to provide medicare, welfare, social whatever for a large majority that has been played down throught the past 3 centuries, plus that of every other downtrodden person IS AN IMPOSSIBLE number to contend with.

"Rugged Individualism" <- Providing for ones self. Iblis and her husband are nothing short of miraculous now-a-days in American (meh, world culture). They worked. FROM THEIR CAR! The point is.. They worked! They didn't expect a handout. I know far to many people that HAVE CHILDREN FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING MORE WELFARE MONEY! Thats insane!

Not only that but Social Security was a short term BENIFET. It had to of been undoutably known that as the population grew, there was no possible way to provide for the next in line.

By God.. I need to go... We can take this to the Political Debate topic if you want?

Posted by: Ibis May 9 2006, 06:57 AM

Seems it would probably make a good debate subject. Thanks for the vote of recognition.

Pisces has a good point that charities will feed, temporarily house homeless people and in some places, let them receive mail and use the address. But yeh, there is the problem that employers get to know the charity addresses. Also, we strictly stayed away from the soup kitchens and shelters because, unfortunately, the very people being helped at those places steal from and prey on each other. Some of the most dangerous places are those charity shelters. Especially if you are working & have saved a little money. You'll wake up without your money, your nice work clothes, your shoes ... it's really sick.

Also, not mentioned is that a large majority of the homeless are mentally ill, or addicted to substances. Also, there are many vietnam veterans out there who long ago lost all faith in their own government and will never come back in off the streets.

Its a shame in what is supposedly the richest country on earth at this time.

P.S.-Thank you for the kind words, Channler & 1234king. We do indeed now have a wonderful life living in a little efficiency condo on a private lake in Florida. Living in our car was a conscious decision on our part to move locations in order to further my hubby's drum career & it worked. But it was hard at times, sometimes it takes sacrifice to reach your goals. Him being in two different working bands in Orlando made our carlife worth the effort.

Posted by: stargelinho May 9 2006, 09:03 AM

Time to get off-topic again!

If you want to further debate the issue of poverty, beggars, begging and Norway, please create a new, dedicated thread for that

Wow, what a strange feeling. Normally one has to tell people to stay on topic!

Posted by: Ibis May 9 2006, 09:08 AM

Okay, off topic it is.

What kind of cake is served here? It is so delicious and goes so well with the coffee, but I cannot place the exact ingredients. So delicious!

tee hee

Posted by: HyPN0 May 9 2006, 09:15 AM

By God.. I need to go... We can take this to the Political Debate topic if you want?

Posted by: Olav May 9 2006, 09:28 AM

Time to get off-topic again!

If you want to further debate the issue of poverty, beggars, begging and Norway, please create a new, dedicated thread for that

Wow, what a strange feeling. Normally one has to tell people to stay on topic!

Posted by: stargelinho May 9 2006, 10:12 AM

Okay, off topic it is.

What kind of cake is served here? It is so delicious and goes so well with the coffee, but I cannot place the exact ingredients. So delicious!

tee hee

Posted by: Joryn May 9 2006, 11:30 AM

I think it's http://www.myhouseandgarden.com/recipes/images/sliced%20marble%20cake.JPG. Not too dry. Fresh. Yummy.

So, what's everyone doing today? I'll spend this wonderful day playing a bit of Oblivion. My little fighter character is coming along nicely, so it's gonna be fun. Other than that, I'll probably do...well...absolutely nothing! 

Posted by: HyPN0 May 9 2006, 02:51 PM

Its my day off college and I just finished my homework so today is doss day. There is one exception though, later I might go on Baldurs Gate II again. Seems no matter how many times I play that game, Ill come back to it eventually.

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 9 2006, 04:31 PM

Well well, today we got our first exam back - the Math Exam, it was the last years Final Exam so it was pretty hard. We still haven't got the grade yet, but we got to know how much points we got. I got a pretty decent score, so hopefully the grade won't be too bad. Just waiting for the Norweigan and English exam now, get them on Monday or something I think - the day before we find out what we're going to get as our Final Exam

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 9 2006, 04:32 PM

Rainer wonders, how many characters does everyone have?

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 9 2006, 04:34 PM

Rainer wonders, how many characters does everyone have? 

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 9 2006, 04:37 PM

Well, when Rainer gets Oblivion, he has at least 6 planned out.

All of them his fictional characters he uses.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 9 2006, 04:37 PM

I'm back everyone . Sorry for leaving without notice, but school got hectic, as did work. and real life in general got into a turmoil. I should be visiting more often now though.

Posted by: Joryn May 9 2006, 04:50 PM

Rainer wonders, how many characters does everyone have? 

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 9 2006, 04:53 PM

I have had about 6-8 all pretty much the same due to having to restart through screw ups and bugs. His name is obviously Joryn, because I liked the names Foryn Gilinith and Voryn Dagoth from morrowind and since my name is Jonathan I put a J on there. I realise you didnt need to know that but.........Fleh. 

Posted by: Foster May 9 2006, 05:00 PM

2. I had one character, and then decided that they wern't evil enough, so I decided that basically my character would be based very much off the concept of a Trickster in mythology; that is, neither good nor ill, but rather popping up and getting involved in just about anything. It means that it makes sense to be head of five guilds, in my view.

For looks my first character was very warrior like, whilst this new one looks completly innocent - wouldn't hurt a fly type. Which makes being Listener and Grey Fox all the more amusing, and makes the bizarre collection of body parts arranged in some strange rite in my house all the more sinister.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 9 2006, 05:29 PM

Rainer wonders, how many characters does everyone have? 

Posted by: Mazelure May 9 2006, 06:15 PM

I only play with one character at a time... in morrowing I'm a breton born under the sign of the mage...

You know what I noticed?... I look like the guy who is my avatar... only I dont have green skin... so sad... if only I had green skin...

Posted by: Foster May 9 2006, 06:29 PM

You might need to visit a dentist. And an Optician. Maybe a style guru.

Posted by: Mazelure May 9 2006, 06:33 PM

Yeah I forgot to add with a full set of teeth... so you can scratch out the dentist... the other ones seem to be in order... only you forgot to add a sphycaratist... if thats the way it is spelled!...muahahahaha!!!

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos May 9 2006, 06:46 PM

Well, since we are chatting in the coffee shop and have said farewell to the Doomed One for a short period of time ... it made me think about Intestinal Chaos and wondering how he and his friends are doing camping out until they can move into their apartment.

I hope all is going well for them. The world can be such a harsh place at times. We who sit in our warm, lit-up little homes huddled to the warmth of our monitor screens don't really think about how lucky we have it, not only to have a home but to be internationally connected on the internet. So tied in.

It's a very different world when you are looking up at the moon without owning a place of your own and you look longingly at the bright windows of the people in the houses and think about what you'd do if you get to be so lucky again. When we lived in our station wagon, I longed for a porch light to turn on every sunset. I finally got a very nice one and now another.

So it shall be for Stomach Ache, I hope. I think he will have to go through this hard time and then will really appreciate what he achieves by his own hand - not handed to him by parents. Never let any of us take for granted the blessings we have. 

Posted by: Olav May 9 2006, 07:05 PM

Good to see you back and that things aren't going all too bad, and congrats with the girlfriend!

Posted by: minque May 9 2006, 07:08 PM

Good to hear things are going your way...a bit..I wish you all luck with Amanda and the rest of your life....

Iīll be thinkg of you Stomach Ache..so you take care!

Posted by: Wolfie May 9 2006, 07:25 PM

Congrats on the new girlfriend mate, and hopefully everything else ends up going so well too

Posted by: Channler May 9 2006, 09:10 PM

I'm back everyone .  Sorry for leaving without notice, but school got hectic, as did work.  and real life in general got into a turmoil.  I should be visiting more often now though.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 9 2006, 09:41 PM

hmm life has finally been quelled for the moment. so to speak, have to find a job. and I ahve three essays to write for scholarships.

that and trying to improve on the whole art thing

Posted by: Ibis May 9 2006, 11:52 PM

YAY!! Welcome back Stomach-Ache & Megil.

So glad you are both back. Stomach-Ache, that is fantastic about Amanda! Best of luck to both of you. And it sounds like it worked out the way it was meant to somehow with the 2 others going their own way.

It's very nice that you won't have to move to a different town. It'll be way easier to find a job where you already are. Sounds like the apartments you looked at are nice. I hope things continue to work out good for you.

Megil, I admire you for working whilst going to school and we would never yell at you for not being here when RL gets hectic. That happens to all of us at times. And it is wonderful to hear that you're applying for scholarships. Good luck there! What type art do you do?

(I'm considering going back to school for art or for game design.)

Posted by: 1234king May 9 2006, 11:52 PM

on the school subject, i don't know if any of you guys in college and highskool remember these things we call FSA's oooooooooooooo scary omg they are such a waste of time and you don't even get a mark. it's so very pointless

Posted by: Ibis May 10 2006, 07:50 AM

Are those the letters that are abreviated for the college entrance exams? Or, the tests that give your rating that the colleges will look at?

When I took mine, I came out as a senior in high school with the reading level of a graduate college student but the math skills of a high school freshman. Very high English - low Math.

And my dad was an electrical engineer, so there was a question to him whether it was even worthwhile to send me to college with such a low math grade.

Posted by: stargelinho May 10 2006, 11:09 AM

Hahaha... Ibis, I'm right there with you as far as math is concerned.

I'm really really bad with math. The funny part is, I've been told you really had to be good with math to do computer stuff. Turned out I needed no math skills whatsoever, and now I'm a software developer.

My last math grade in IT college was a 5, where 1 is best and 6 is worst. Or was it the other way around? These funny numbers always confuse me

Posted by: Foster May 10 2006, 11:40 AM

well, unfortunately part of my degree is an ability in maths, which means that I've had maths tests every single year at a horrible, shuddering level. Take for example this beauty.

13. A dopamine infusion is set up for a patient weighing 56Kg, to deliver 2.5mcg/kg/min. The infusion syringe contains 300mg dopamine in 50mls normal saline. What should the infusion rate be?
A. 1.4mls/hr
B. 8.4mls/hr
C. 14mls/hr
D. 17mls/hr
E. 84mls/hr


You've got 20 of those to do in 1 hour (that's 3 minutes per question), without a calculator, and a pass mark of 70%. I failed the first one, but my resit was on Monday and I just found out that I passed - which means no more calculation tests for me! Ever! Unless I want to sit one (which I don't)!

Posted by: stargelinho May 10 2006, 11:43 AM

Hehehe..that's great!

You can bet I was in extacy when I was done with my last math exam. To know I'd never have to do one again was more than a bit exhilerating.

Posted by: Olav May 10 2006, 12:49 PM

I actually liked and did quite well in maths until I started college/uni, when maths no longer made any sense. It was like I was stranded on some surreal planet where all logic was opposite of normal...

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 10 2006, 12:50 PM

To answer the earlier queston, my art is a bit of dabbing in everything. I do a little here and a little there. enough to appease myself, not good enough for others *shrug*

not sure about those exams, the name doesn't sound familiar. But on the math subjcts I am alright at it, have yet to take a college math, but have calculus with analytical geometry this coming semester, which I am not particularly looking forwards too >.<. But I need the course for my major so got to suck it up.

Posted by: Kiln May 10 2006, 12:59 PM

Welcome back Megil, great to see you check in we were starting to get a bit worried.

Posted by: Khajiit Overlord Rainer May 10 2006, 04:25 PM

Well, RAiner thinks he is odd. Mostly because most of his marks come from tests and exams (Rainer loves exams, but hates homework with a passion) and that he seems to rarely require to study for them. In middle school he didn't study for any of his finals and he still got high 70's and low 80's.

Rainer is different, Rainer supposes.

Posted by: Fethenwen May 10 2006, 09:12 PM

Ah geez, don't mention math...

it's my worst enemy.

Posted by: Kayla May 10 2006, 10:44 PM

I'm horrible at math too.

Posted by: 1234king May 11 2006, 01:06 AM

well i took an IQ test today and i got 113. i am 12 years old is that high for me. but on thr math subject i am so horrible at math. in math class while everyone else is chatting and having fun i have to sit at what my friends call the "stupid table" because i am challenged at amth.

Posted by: Pisces May 11 2006, 10:34 AM

Depending on what type of IQ test you took, the average is typically 100 for most tests. IQ tests vary in what they measure as well, most measure responce time to oral ques (which is why people with the test langauge as a second langauge tend to do badly). But yes 113 is above average so you can say with statistical probability that you are smarter than your friends Even if they can beat you in maths.

Personally I am quite good at maths I was near the top of my form in school and I got top equal for one of the maths test even though I never study Strangly enough I was never in the "smart class" for maths in school even though I could beat most of them in maths.

Posted by: Wolfie May 11 2006, 02:50 PM

Maths has never been my forte

I do ok in it, i'm in the highest class in my school for it, but i pretty much get average marks, in the middle. Not especially high or especially low.

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 11 2006, 03:16 PM

The only thing I'm actually really good in when it comes to Math is constructions and such. Making all kinds of shapes, finding locations on maps, making angles, making certain shapes out of a triangle etc. graphical things to say it like that - those are the only I usually get max points on...

Posted by: Geonox May 11 2006, 05:33 PM

Maths has never been my forte

Posted by: Wolfie May 11 2006, 06:07 PM

I just got back from the doctor. Turns out i have low blood pressure..damn low. only 80/70
Apparently that's why i've been collapsing. So now i have to get a 24 hour heart monitor and blood pressure thingy

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 11 2006, 06:14 PM

I just got back from the doctor. Turns out i have low blood pressure..damn low. only 80/70 
Apparently that's why i've been collapsing. So now i have to get a 24 hour heart monitor and blood pressure thingy

Posted by: HyPN0 May 11 2006, 06:27 PM

I just got back from the doctor. Turns out i have low blood pressure..damn low. only 80/70 
Apparently that's why i've been collapsing. So now i have to get a 24 hour heart monitor and blood pressure thingy

Posted by: minque May 11 2006, 07:53 PM

I just got back from the doctor. Turns out i have low blood pressure..damn low. only 80/70 
Apparently that's why i've been collapsing. So now i have to get a 24 hour heart monitor and blood pressure thingy

Posted by: Wolfie May 11 2006, 09:22 PM

Do you have any kind of a major disease?
Are you anemic?

Oh my Wolfie!!! Your blood is hardly getting around in that body of yours....jeez! hmmm letīs see......red wine is good but you probably donīt like wine.....hmm 24 hours heart monitoring..yeah thatīs not funny Iīve also been on that once....but that was because of high blood pressure!

Oh well Wolfie, Iīll keep my fingers crossed itīs nothing really serious .....btw are you very tall?
ps. Extremely nice sig youīve got...who made it? you?

Posted by: stargelinho May 11 2006, 10:04 PM

You don't like red wine? You're crazy.


Seriously though, just be grateful it's not high blood pressure. Low blood pressure is annoying, sometimes really annoying. But afaik you don't die of low blood pressure. High blood pressure on the other hand leads to a lot of very bad things.

Edit: teh intarweb says you're supposed to drink coffee, work out and take hot and cold showers in the morning to combat this problem.

Posted by: ShogunSniper May 11 2006, 10:07 PM

well that's it. 7:30 tonight is the last time i'll see her. my girlfriend is actually off to Ohio (like 10 hours north) for the entire summer, and then she will likely come back here to TN only to actually move about an hour and a half west of here.

this sucks

Posted by: HyPN0 May 11 2006, 10:18 PM

You don't like red wine? You're crazy.

well that's it.  7:30 tonight is the last time i'll see her.  my girlfriend is actually off to Ohio (like 10 hours north) for the entire summer, and then she will likely come back here to TN only to actually move about an hour and a half west of here.

this sucks

Posted by: Ibis May 11 2006, 10:57 PM

Wolfie, so sorry to hear about your low blood pressure.

I hope the doctor is giving you a good treatment so you feel better.

Posted by: Foster May 11 2006, 11:06 PM

What's intresting is that the systolic is only 10mmHg over the diastolic. Of course I am not about to give my medical opinion over the internet whilst knowing bugger all about the situation, but its interesting.

Sorry if that sounded a little callous. I didn't mean it that way.

Posted by: ShogunSniper May 11 2006, 11:22 PM

Maybe you should consider finding another girlfriend?

Posted by: 1234king May 11 2006, 11:41 PM

oh wolfie that sucks about your blodd. my mom and grandma both have low blood pressure. my granma's is 70/50 and my moms is 80/70

Posted by: HyPN0 May 12 2006, 12:41 AM

lol could you be any more blunt?

Posted by: DarkHunter May 12 2006, 12:49 AM

I feel sorry for you Shogun... try here online, the girls here obviously have the same interests as you!

Posted by: Dantrag May 12 2006, 01:19 AM

that's a little....creepy, DarkHunter.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 12 2006, 01:57 AM

I have to agree w/ Dantrag on that one. slightly on the upsetting side of things.

and Wolfie I am sorry to hear about the blood pressure. will be hoping things improve for you.

May I note that parents can be extremely frustrating. mother keeps nagging me about getting a license yet keeps telling me she wants me to have a job nearby so I don't have to drive How am I meant to practice driving to get my license when she doesn't want me driving . She confuses me at times

Posted by: minque May 12 2006, 06:15 PM

You don't like red wine? You're crazy.
Seriously though, just be grateful it's not high blood pressure. Low blood pressure is annoying, sometimes really annoying. But afaik you don't die of low blood pressure. High blood pressure on the other hand leads to a lot of very bad things.

Edit: teh intarweb says you're supposed to drink coffee, work out and take hot and cold showers in the morning to combat this problem.

What's intresting is that the systolic is only 10mmHg over the diastolic. Of course I am not about to give my medical opinion over the internet whilst knowing bugger all about the situation, but its interesting.

Sorry if that sounded a little callous. I didn't mean it that way.

I feel sorry for you Shogun... try here online, the girls here obviously have the same interests as you!

that's a little....creepy, DarkHunter.

I have to agree w/ Dantrag on that one.  slightly on the upsetting side of things.

and Wolfie I am sorry to hear about the blood pressure.  will be hoping things improve for you. 

May I note that parents can be extremely frustrating.  mother keeps nagging me about getting a license yet keeps telling me she wants me to have a job nearby so I don't have to drive    How am I meant to practice driving to get my license when she doesn't want me driving  .  She confuses me at times

Posted by: treydog May 12 2006, 07:14 PM

Man, that is not good, Wolfie. But at least now they have a handle on what is happening- hopefully treatment will be available and effective.

Not to be scary, but the big problem with low BP is stroke. Basically, the walls of the blood vessels tend to be thin- then when BP spikes, they can't handle it.

As far as mothers and sons- Minque is quite right. (Naturally ) Mrs. Treydog has two children from her first husband. Both live somewhat "away." And she misses her son the most. Not sure where that comes from, but moms really have a hard time with sons growing up and getting out on their own. What can I say- our families drive us crazy because they love us....

Posted by: HyPN0 May 12 2006, 07:37 PM

Jeez Iīll hate it when my son will move out! (ok heīs 11)

Bear with her! iīm also a mother..and I didnīt feel all that bad when my eldest daughter moved to US.....I wonīt mind my younger daughter get a life..but I klnow myself, Iīll be devastated when sonny leaves!!!!

Posted by: DarkHunter May 12 2006, 08:52 PM

I was only saying that the girls here on Chorrol.com, have the same interest 'cause they all play TES same as him... Arygon's distrusted in a Rp and I'm distrusted in Real Life, I must say WTF!?!?

Posted by: minque May 12 2006, 08:59 PM

I must say WTF!?!?

Posted by: Foster May 12 2006, 09:29 PM

Posted by: Mazelure May 12 2006, 09:51 PM

So you study medacine... good... good... hey what should I use to get rid of depression... and head aches... I get that often... and for no reason too... witch is werd...

Posted by: minque May 12 2006, 10:24 PM

Pharmacy. Well, technically I finish studying it on Monday. Then its just the whole exam thing.

Posted by: 1234king May 12 2006, 11:37 PM

So you study medacine... good... good... hey what should I use to get rid of depression... and head aches... I get that often... and for no reason too... witch is werd...

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 13 2006, 12:09 AM

I understand the whole parental attachment, but *shurg* it gets annoying.

Anyways Mazelure, I would seek a proffssional opinion and attention to bopth the issues. Depression is multifaceted and hard to tell you how to treat it without undergoing detailed observation first. The random out of the blue headaches I would also get exmined. While more than likely harmless it could also be an extremely serious problm that you are unawares about (apart of course from the headaches). So my advice would be to go see your GP and see what they have to say then if needed get referred to a specialist.

Posted by: Mazelure May 13 2006, 12:35 AM

yeah... I should make an appointment with my doctor... I just try to sleep through the depression and the head aches are probaly coming from my loss of sleep at night (since I tend to sleep during the day)... but thanks... I appreciate the help...

Kudos... Kudos

Posted by: Foster May 13 2006, 01:04 AM

Well, depression is a big subject, and obviously there are a lot of degrees - just being depressed isn't automatically clinical depression, and then you've got a whole host of varieties, all of which have specific methods of treatment. And even the common depression enters the two-figures when you're looking at possible drug therapies; largely choice of medication is based on things such as patient tolerance, contra-indications (ie if you're pregant there are drugs to avoid), effect, doctor perference, etc. And some people don't even advocate that, perferring other solutions. Oh, and that isn't mentioning the so-called herbal remedies that are a whole subject in themselves...

So basically if you're concerned about depression, you should talk to your doctor and look for a professional diagnosis. I'm certainly not in a position to give medical advice, beyond referral to your doctor. Especially as any medical treatment would require a prescription.

Headaches are, if you can believe it, even more of a black hole than depression. There are so many possible causes and so many possible types of headache that really there is no way for me to give adequate advice without talking to you about your symptoms and certain lifestyle possibilities (which in a pharmacy would take half a minute and chances are I'd sell you an analgesic), but without being able to do that obviously I have to refer you to your doctor if they are a regular occurance.

Posted by: Ibis May 13 2006, 08:48 AM

yeah... I should make an appointment with my doctor... I just try to sleep through the depression and the head aches are probaly coming from my loss of sleep at night (since I tend to sleep during the day)... but thanks... I appreciate the help...

Kudos... Kudos

Posted by: Mazelure May 13 2006, 11:20 PM

the depression is not new but the head aches are... maybe I am coming down with something... either way I will make a appointmen... head aches suck... big time... but thanks for all of your concern...

Posted by: Olav May 13 2006, 11:45 PM

I had a constant head ache some years ago. Not very strong, but extremely annoying. Then I went to the doctor, and he ordered one of those head-scans (not sure of the English term). It didn't show anything, luckily...

Well it turned out that the reason for my head aches was because I drank too little water! All I drank at the time was coffee and cola (and sometimes alcohol in the weekends), and all of these are dehydrating as you may know. So now I'm drinking at least one liter of water a day, and I have no more head-aches... Sorry, just felt like sharing this...

Sorry about your depression. My mother suffered from that, and she tried to commit suicide twice. Not a good situation for anyone in the family, I can assure you... Hang on, and best wishes for your future. Remember most depressions are caused by your own mind playing tricks on you, so it's not really you there is something wrong with, however strange that may sound. If you get it fixed, you'll be glad you did...

Posted by: Foster May 14 2006, 12:23 AM

I had a constant headache once. Then I broke up with my girlfriend.

Posted by: Ibis May 14 2006, 04:27 AM

Ta ha ha Foster.

Depression is actually a nervous disorder caused by mineral imbalances in your body. The imbalances affect the way your brain processes things. That is why, with a proper diagnosis and the right medicine, your depression can be lifted and your moods kept constant, even if there is no cure. Some people are genetically suseptible to depression and so far a cure has not been found for them. Others who are suffering depression due to circumstances can be cured in therapy.

Posted by: ThePerson98 May 14 2006, 06:50 AM

In my family it gets scary, Ive been barracaded in my brothers room, with my brother, and my mother. With my dad throwing a rampage around the house. Fights like this happen like almost on a schedule. Im just coming around to who I was, Im usually a hyper funny guy, and for awhile I just became dark. I predict another fight soon, but Im fed up of trying to stay in a good mood. Ive always been the one on the side of the fight, but Im sick of a psycopath (spelling) dad rampaging, next time he starts that Im stopping him.

Anyway, I dont want to get into the horrid parts of my life . Im fine.
This week is my last week of school! I think its 4 more days! Felt like it was yesterday that it was 50 more days! My favorite thing about summer..
Sleep
Ill almost go nocturnal during the summer too, which I know isnt good for me, but its fun. I need something better to do than to sit around playing games and stuff, but in Oklahoma, its all heck to get outside, cause it gets blazing hot. Im a winter person, I perfer it to be 30 degrees than 80 degrees.

Posted by: Ibis May 14 2006, 07:03 AM

Theperson98,
There is a good way to stop the rampaging dad - pick up the phone in another room & call the police. Don't ty to stop him physically, then you will become part of the problem whilst trying to be the solution. Don't think about what the family will do without his income if he goes to jail, or if he seeks revenge later - think rather that you are helping him as well as yourselves.

There are other jobs, others in the family to work, restraining orders if needs be ... try to get life straight for you, your mother & your brother. You should not live under a moody tyrant who bullies everyone. Someday he may do irreversible damage without meaning to.

That's my thoughts anyway. I hope it's good advice.

Posted by: ThePerson98 May 14 2006, 05:04 PM

Theperson98,
There is a good way to stop the rampaging dad - pick up the phone in another room & call the police. Don't ty to stop him physically, then you will become part of the problem whilst trying to be the solution. Don't think about what the family will do without his income if he goes to jail, or if he seeks revenge later - think rather that you are helping him as well as yourselves.

There are other jobs, others in the family to work, restraining orders if needs be ... try to get life straight for you, your mother & your brother. You should not live under a moody tyrant who bullies everyone. Someday he may do irreversible damage without meaning to.

That's my thoughts anyway. I hope it's good advice.

Posted by: Mazelure May 15 2006, 12:40 AM

hahahaha... I was just having the best time of my life... I went to my control panal and I noticed that Inbox thingy... so I cheked it out... and it was empty... so what I did next was mail myself a bunch of jokes... and then I read them... I'm retarded I know... but it was funny as hell... muahahahahaah!

so yeah... I quit my job so I can go work at Pappasitos Restaurant... my frien Jose got me the job since he already worked there... it's going to be weird because I'm going to be a host and I'm not much of a people person... I'm more like anti social... but o well... it puts money on the table... right?

Posted by: Ibis May 15 2006, 01:14 AM

Yes, it does put money on the table Mazelure. And you may find that your new job gives you new "people skills" to incorporate into your life in other places. Many of us got to be more social that way.
I was quite shy and quiet when young and didn't like to talk to strangers or in public. But I got a job as a waitress and did that work for many years and now I know how to talk to many different kinds of people in different situations.

Look at it as a growing experience.

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P.S.- I have to comment that I love Minque's new Siggy ... the cape turned wings are to die for, Minque.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke May 15 2006, 03:02 AM

The person98: Even if it is only verbal and you think you got it under control it doesn't hurt to get outside help. If this thing is in his mind. as in an actual biological/chemical/ neurological issue, going to a proffesional could help control the outbursts. Just cause its biology does not man you have to live with it. and if you love him then you would want to help him. While hard it might require outside intervention to fix the issue.

as for the job and being shy, as Ibis has said you will learn and develop social skills with a job like that. Even doing Barista work I have become more social outside work from the social interactions I have to do while I am on the clock. It will be a good experience, let you explore a side of yourself you did not really know.

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 15 2006, 02:08 PM

Today we got back the last three examns, norwegian, new-norwegian and english. The two norwegian exams went a little bad I think, my teacher says that it simply wasn't enough to get the grade I wanted but still both are pretty high above avarage and not anything to whine about The english went very very well, got something pretty much equal to the american A So even tho the math went decent the others went quite good - So tomorrow we will know what subject we get to have on the Final Examn Writing Style and the Final Examn in Speech we will get to know within a week or something...

In our music class we have a last project before we're off this school and that is to perform something: dance, singing all that. So I got together with some mates and we've planed either to make a very funny heavy death metal band called "Sort Grevling" Black Badger in norwegian and just sing like hell and have a great and fun time while looking all stupid. Our other plan is to perform Renegades of Funk, by Rage where I will play most of the guitar and sing

Posted by: Olav May 15 2006, 03:00 PM

Congrats on your exams Fuzzy Knight! I bet it's great to have something less on your mind...

And getting a grade equalling an American A is awesome. My ex girlfriend lived in the states (Seattle) for 6 years, where she went to university. She had straight A's in practically every class (a few B's).

When she got home to Norway and tried applying for jobs with her Amercican education, it turned out that she had to take some classes over again here before they got approved (I think this has changed now that they've started using bachelor and masters degrees in Norway). To her amazement she got medium grades, despite the fact that she had done this in the US recently, and she also thought that her exams were better here, since she had recently done them. So apparantly it is easier to get good grades in the US, or at least in Seattle (I think the university she attended was called North Western university or something).

Anyway, isn't it good to get New-Norwegian out of the way, knowing you'll never have to worry about it again?

Posted by: Wolfie May 15 2006, 10:36 PM

Phew, nice to be back here. My internet's been out all weekend
Thanks for the well wishes folks, and hopefully i get back to normal blood pressure soon enough

Posted by: minque May 15 2006, 10:53 PM

P.S.- I have to comment that I love Minque's new Siggy ... the cape turned wings are to die for, Minque.

Phew, nice to be back here. My internet's been out all weekend
Thanks for the well wishes folks, and hopefully i get back to normal blood pressure soon enough

Posted by: Wolfie May 15 2006, 11:18 PM

Sorry to worry you minque
On a better note, i did a karate grading for my yellow belt with Master Kanazawa last wednesday, and not only did i pass, but i double graded straight to Green belt
Quite proud of myself for that one lol

Posted by: Dantrag May 15 2006, 11:21 PM

Sorry to worry you minque
On a better note, i did a karate grading for my yellow belt with Master Kanazawa last wednesday, and not only did i pass, but i double graded straight to Green belt
Quite proud of myself for that one lol

Posted by: minque May 15 2006, 11:28 PM

Sorry to worry you minque
On a better note, i did a karate grading for my yellow belt with Master Kanazawa last wednesday, and not only did i pass, but i double graded straight to Green belt
Quite proud of myself for that one lol

Posted by: Wolfie May 15 2006, 11:35 PM

Hrmm......
That'll be a few more years at least

Posted by: 1234king May 16 2006, 12:39 AM

doesn't it take 10-20 years to get a black belt???

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 16 2006, 12:43 PM

Today, I feel like I've been blessed by God - That I've dodged the arrow of an eternal life as a toilet scrubber...

We got to hear what subject we got to have on our Final Exam, I nearly got a heartattack just waiting. I came up in Norwegian, while all my other mates in the other classes got math

I was hoping for english, but it doesn't matter since I didn't get math lol - It's like I've escaped the jaws of a 10 feet alligator or something

Posted by: Foster May 16 2006, 11:39 PM

Well, today I had a dispensing exam. Which was going fine - very fine, in fact, because I actually got some of the workstations right, and didn't kill any of my patients.

And then I did the last workstation... and actually forgot to dispense a product. As in, I didn't actually give anything out. I just forgot. I still have no idea how.

So, looks like I'll be re-sitting that one.

Posted by: DarkHunter May 17 2006, 12:29 AM

... didn't KILL any of your patients!?!? oh... simulation, right?

Posted by: Ibis May 17 2006, 12:49 AM

I think Foster is a pharmacy student, so a mistake on his part in his profession could indeed be fatal in real life. I would imagine that the exam was a simulation but we shall find out when he answers. I am interested in hearing about this.

Fuzzy, I am so happy for your that you didn't draw the math final exam question. Your attitude in dealing with math is making me think that I am going to follow my student advisor's advice and apply for the Computer Animation Bachelor's Degree over my original choiice which was Game Design, because that is the part that involves a lot of math - C++ and all that, I think.
Anyway, she says that I'm very creative and passionate about making games and she likes my artwork style and she thinks that I will be a natural for computer animation, which is also involved in game making. So, think I will listen to her ... and you. I don't want to find myself in the position of dreading my finals when I could be enjoying myself with art design.

Posted by: Foster May 17 2006, 12:57 AM

Yeah, it's a simulation. But most of the workstations are about spotting something potentially fatal. For example, one patient had COPD (irreversible breathing problems) and had been prescribed an eye drop that would have caused his lungs to constrict (I spotted it through a Theophylline/Timolol interaction, for those that are interested). That sort of thing. Last time out I accidentally prescribed (Pharmacists in the UK can prescribe, so there was a 'imagine you're the doctor' workshop) a...uhm...drug that makes you go pee-pee, to a patient that had gout. It would have resulted in severe pain. This time out it was just about PPIs in duodenal ulcer, so it wasn't so bad.

This time out I managed to avoid the obvious pitfalls, only to completely muck up the easiest workstation - one that, had I actually given the boxes out, would have netted me 10% of the exam.

Posted by: DarkHunter May 17 2006, 01:31 AM

Good for you! You go on working at that! The pay is good (from what I hear) You ARE doing a good job!

Posted by: Olav May 17 2006, 01:57 AM

Foster,

Just out of curiosity, how long are you from becoming a doctor? Just wondering, in case I get a letter from a doctor that has a skull as his logo...

Posted by: Foster May 17 2006, 11:57 AM

Uhm... 3 weeks. And as a Pharmacist, not a doctor.

Oh, and if that skull worries you, perhaps you'd be more concerned if I tell you I have it tattooed on my right arm.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 17 2006, 12:14 PM

Oh, and if that skull worries you, perhaps you'd be more concerned if I tell you I have it tattooed on my right arm.

Posted by: Wolfie May 18 2006, 06:45 PM

Anyone here heard the Finnish entry for the Eurovision song contest? It's actually pretty good
http://www.monstereo.fi/monmedia2.php

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 18 2006, 07:56 PM

Anyone here heard the Finnish entry for the Eurovision song contest? It's actually pretty good
http://www.monstereo.fi/monmedia2.php

Posted by: HyPN0 May 18 2006, 08:10 PM

I don't see my country in eurovision list !
I wonder why? Damn, I wish milanius is around...

Posted by: Ze Milanio May 18 2006, 08:44 PM

I don't see my country in eurovision list !
I wonder why? Damn, I wish milanius is around... 

Posted by: HyPN0 May 18 2006, 09:06 PM

ROFL Oh, man, I was really really really REALLY waiting to hear that question

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=03&dd=12&nav_id=191328&nav_category=11

Posted by: Ze Milanio May 18 2006, 09:17 PM

We don't, Hypno. And yes, this is one of 99 little reasons I'd like to see our beloved mother Serbia as a single, independent country. No BS from anyone anymore, just one flag, one hymn, one banner shield... and one song.

Posted by: HyPN0 May 18 2006, 09:23 PM

We don't, Hypno. And yes, this is one of 99 little reasons I'd like to see our beloved mother Serbia as a single, independent country. No BS from anyone anymore, just one flag, one hymn, one banner shield... and one song.

Posted by: Ze Milanio May 18 2006, 10:30 PM

Indeed.
Anyway, who should represented us in your opinion?

Posted by: Ibis May 18 2006, 11:16 PM

Well, I liked the entry and I's sorry to say that I'm not aware of the situation of Serbia. Could you explain it abit, if you don't mind?

Yes, I am a stupid American ... a dumb Floridian ParrotHead to be exact!

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 19 2006, 08:02 AM

Morning everyone...

Just jumping in this morning, like a ghost down at 9:00 at the morning here in Norway

Have nearly the whole day for myself, only need to go to school around 13:00 to get some papers about the exam I'm having on Tuesday and Wednesday. So I'm off to get some coffee and put some baguette's in the oven and rexal with some music!

Posted by: stargelinho May 19 2006, 11:10 AM

Oooh yeah, it's that time of year again, isn't it? Time for that idiotic Grand Prix de la Chanson Eurovision, where you get to see all of Europe's worst in one big show. Granted, some people like it because they consider it craptacular (so bad it's funny) - I'm not one of them. I listen to all kinds of music really, but this? Blargh.

Of course, every year you get someone who just participates to irritate everyone else, and that's mildly amusing. This year it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordi from Finland ("Hard Rock Hallelujah"). I don't know. I don' think I wanna suffer through all that crap just to see the annoyed faces of the crowd or hear someone comment on how this is an outrage.

Posted by: Olav May 19 2006, 11:26 AM

Hehe.. Eurovision is a show filled with horrible, horrible music indeed. I like it when someone comes along every now and then to make it a bit interesting, like Finland this year.

Don't know if anyone remember Norway's contribution last year? They were called Wig Wam, and was a glam rock sort of band playing typical 80's music like Kiss/Bon Jovi etc. Quite fun... Old guys dressed in glam clothes with lots of 80's make-up...

Link: http://www.wigwam.no/

I must confess I like Norway's contribution this year, though. Not your typical Eurovision crap, but a bit mystical and elvish...

Posted by: Rane May 19 2006, 02:55 PM

Lordi has cleared its path to the Eurovision finals thus making history by being the first Finnish contestant who've made it that far. Also, they've now made me laugh out loud (for one reason or another; first time I saw them, their appearances in Athens, the "insult-exchange" with one of the other contestants to name a few things) for a total of eight times. Now that's an achievement. If they actually manage to win on Saturday I promise here and now that as soon as possible I'll get myself a Lordi avatar and stick with it at least 3 days.

Yeah, I know. I'm a real daredevil.

Posted by: Ze Milanio May 19 2006, 08:48 PM

Well, I liked the entry and I's sorry to say that I'm not aware of the situation of Serbia. Could you explain it abit, if you don't mind?

Yes, I am a stupid American ... a dumb Floridian ParrotHead to be exact! 

Posted by: Olav May 20 2006, 07:56 PM

I must confess I like Norway's contribution this year, though. Not your typical Eurovision crap, but a bit mystical and elvish... 

Posted by: Wolfie May 20 2006, 10:38 PM

Hehe, watching the results of the eurovision now, and Finland are absolutely slaughtering everyone lol

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 20 2006, 11:05 PM

Yes - Lordi won, great stuff!

I want to see the Lordi avatar soon Rane!

Posted by: minque May 20 2006, 11:09 PM

Aaaaaaaaaalrighty then!!! CONGRATS to FINLAND!!!! Nope I didnīt watch it.....see I donīt fancy Carola at all.......hehe

Posted by: Rane May 21 2006, 05:42 AM

They actually won. Where's that "Rolling on floor laughing" emoticon when you need it...

I want to see the Lordi avatar soon Rane!

Posted by: Fuzzy Knight May 21 2006, 10:07 AM

They actually won. Where's that "Rolling on floor laughing" emoticon when you need it...

Posted by: Olav May 21 2006, 10:39 AM

They actually won. Where's that "Rolling on floor laughing" emoticon when you need it...

Posted by: Dantrag May 21 2006, 06:28 PM

I'm totally lost....is it like a european american idol?

Posted by: Geonox May 21 2006, 06:31 PM

I'm totally lost....is it like a european american idol?

Posted by: The Wolf May 21 2006, 07:03 PM

All hail! Yesterday, I acquired the Oblivion. (A reward for that that I would cut the grass for the rest of the summer).

Posted by: minque May 21 2006, 07:05 PM

All hail! Yesterday, I acquired the Oblivion. (A reward for that that I would cut the grass for the rest of the summer).

Posted by: Geonox May 21 2006, 07:06 PM

Aye! thatīs nice......congrats to you! I havenīt played yet.......

Posted by: minque May 21 2006, 07:08 PM

you haven't played oblivion yet? Ah it's not that interresting anyways. It's cool for a wile but I liked morrowind better

Posted by: Geonox May 21 2006, 07:11 PM

No my comp is not good enough and I canīt afford an upgrade....yet. But I might just install it and have a look at the sceneries.....some day .....

I still play Bloodmoon......itīs very nice..reminds me of ancient Sweden...

Posted by: minque May 21 2006, 07:23 PM

ohw :/ Yeah I know mine wasn't good enough 2 but I got myself a new card. But I didn't spend to much on it, I don't need full graphics. I think I'll get back to morrowind, however it would have been great to see morrowind in oblivion graphics.
Ah well the new video card wasn't completely useless because I can also play the new tombraider. Which is a realy addictive game. I  Tombraider