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monkeyemoness
post Apr 17 2019, 11:56 PM
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*continues to sob joyously*

That said, there's marked lack of Ohmes Khajiit. I hope it's just because of the risk of confusing them with Bosmer and not because they won't show up.


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post Oct 4 2019, 06:35 AM
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The Green Pact is so [censored] stupid.

I'm not talking about it being in the lore per se. The actual pact is so damn absurd and unreasonable. I mean, a Bosmer that follows the Green Pact accidentally snaps a twig on the ground and suddenly the forest and Y'ffre rain fury upon them and even other Bosmer pact followers that had nothing to do with it? Okay, so the twig example hasn't actually happened, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were to happen in the lore.

I had been thinking on this for a while going through Valenwood content, but doing the quest for Karthdar in Grahtwood really just added fuel to the fire. It's the quest where you have to decide between whether a Khajiit or a spinner or a spinner's wife were responsible for cutting a sacred flower (or at least shared most of the blame), with the forest and its creatures retaliating against them in turn. Nevermind the fact that it isn't entirely clear who is responsible, but everything about the quest kind of pissed me off and I almost abandoned the quest because I hated it. The Khajiit is just trying to make a living and obviously isn't a follower of the Green Pact since he isn't a Bosmer. But the spinner's wife had just been on death's doorstep with how sick she was recently, and the spinner was desperately searching for a cure, which apparently came from that sacred flower.

So because the spinner desperately wanted to cure his wife and the wife really needed and wanted the plant's curative properties, one of them deserves to die because they broke the Green Pact that one time? And apparently any Bosmer that violate the Green Pact after agreeing to it can potentially spend an eternity in torment because of even one minor incident? You got to be [censored] kidding me. Seriously, Y'ffre can't every once in a while be lenient? And even if they are repeat offenders, is it really enough to merit years upon years of torment, possibly without end? [censored] out of here with that [censored]!

*Deep breath* It also doesn't help that this past week saw Cincy just plow through Valenwood content. He and I are absolutely sick of seeing these damn forests. We took the first ticket out of Valenwood as soon as he got the last skyshard in Valenwood (and by extension, the Dominion).

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Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED talk. Thoughts?


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post Oct 4 2019, 01:24 PM
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Thoughts? I agree that the Green Pact is absurdly unacceptable. Walk through the forest without squashing a blade of grass? Clearly a concept conceived by someone who has never walked through a forest. Eat only meat – like deer that eat plants so eating plants secondhand is okay? It does break down to somewhat absurd rather easily. And it certainly presents some infuriating dilemmas as you have encountered.

So. . . we 'adjusted' things for 'Buffy Lore'.

As you know, the forests of Valenwood are ‘alive’. Long ago many Bosmeri tribes made the familiar Green Pact with Yffre for protection. So the Green Pact as we know it does exist and is followed by a fair number of tribes in Buffy's world. However. . . .

Buffy is descended from a clan of tribes known as ‘Clouddancers’. They are so known because each of these tribes is spiritually linked to their own massive graht oak which provides their home. Clouddancers are well adapted for treetop life at elevations where they can literally dance among the clouds. They are smaller than most Bosmer and lightly built which helps them move easily and safely among high fragile branches. Rather than Yffre, Clouddancers have always turned to the Mother of Nirn (Mara) and the Sky Goddess (Kynareth/Kyne) for assistance in living with the forest.

Clouddancers are taught to venerate the forest and use its bounty as they need to without waste. They are under no mandate to avoid using either flora or fauna that the forest so graciously provides. They generally say a prayer over successful hunting kills, wishing the animal’s spirit a safe journey until it someday returns to the forest. They further honor any animal they hunt by fully utilizing all parts of it. Because of their special relationship with the massive graht oaks of Valenwood, these trees readily grow and provide for many of their specific needs ranging from living pods to precisely grown small branches which can be readily crafted into arrows and bows.


As far as the forest itself, Buffy adores Valenwood. As she moves through it, she feels as if the forest itself is wrapping itself around her, protecting her and helping to mask her movement. I’ve noticed she gets a similarly comforting feeling when moving though swamp lands like Shadowfen or Murkmire.


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post Oct 4 2019, 05:22 PM
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I think the Green Pact was invented by people who had no idea what living in the forest is like. You need wood for the simplest of things, like the handles for your axes, or the shafts of your arrows, or for that matter, for your bows themselves. With no toilet paper, leaves are the wiping instrument of choice. Not to mention that hunter-gatherers need to eat plant-based foods in order to survive, hence the 'gatherer' part of the title. Very few societies manage to subsist totally on animal based foods. Those typically need the sea, or great herds of horses, cattle, or other such animals. Neither works for the deep woods of Valenwood.

So I tossed the Green Pact out the window in my writing.


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mALX
post Oct 4 2019, 08:17 PM
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I think the Green Pact was thrown into TES Lore as a kind of dig at the fanatics in our world (fanaticism in general) = to show how utterly inane they can get if they carry their beliefs beyond a reasonable point.

For instance: In Grahtwood you can run across a Green Pact fanatic who is going to murder a Khajiit for picking a flower. The Khajiit is not in the Green Pact; and not part of that belief system; but the Green Pact guy is going to kill him anyway.

(It is a random encounter in the game).

Anyway; it ends by giving the Player the choice to either kill the Khajiit or talk the fanatic Green Pact guy out of killing him (which can be done, it is what I always do when I come across that random encounter with one of my characters).






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post Oct 7 2019, 01:27 AM
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Actually even the Bosmer themselves realize how ridiculous the Green Pact is.

That random encounter in Grahtwood you speak of, mALX? I chose the Bosme’s side once, only to have him say he only wanted to scare the Khajiit.

So the Green Pact is ritualistic only, not literal, in my world.


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