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Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 12:24 AM

In case anyone doesn't mind spoilers:

Game of Thrones leaks for season 7:


https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/57g8yf/compilation_of_spoilers_by_awayforthelads/

Posted by: Decrepit Jun 24 2017, 12:55 AM

The spoilers don't bother me, even if true, which they might not be. Much as I like the show, and I like it a lot, I'm more a fan of the often quite different books, which I take as gospel. I consider the show as something of an alternate historian's take on that time, people, and places. As such, events as depicted in season seven are unlikely to spoil the books for me...assuming Martin ever gets off his posterior and finishes them.

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 01:10 AM

I wish he would finish them! And I really wish I could have access to them, I've never read them! He has said several times that whatever Hollywood does with his story, he is not going to let that influence what HE plans for it.

I just worry that - he has stepped away from writing for a long time. It is so much harder to go back after years like that, you lose that magic touch. I am just so afraid he will never finish. He is not exactly in the peak of health, you know?


Here is another:


https://moviepilot.com/p/game-of-thrones-season-7-entire-plot-spoiler-leak-reddit/4132872

Posted by: Dark Reaper Jun 24 2017, 01:23 AM

https://youtu.be/3U7NpSubAJQ.

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 01:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1oTKyzu_2w

BWAAHAA!!!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 24 2017, 01:54 AM

Khajiit would rather have the next book, but he will watch the new season. Honestly, last season was more enjoyable than previous seasons because this one had no idea what was going to happen.

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 02:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICmp2P-EmyE

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 02:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owDwf0A9Oco

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 24 2017, 04:10 AM

Heh, you'll have to forgive Khajiit, but he will not be playing those videos you linked mALX

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 04:35 AM

That is why I wrote in the title of the thread that there would be spoilers here - in case they would bother anyone.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 24 2017, 04:50 AM

Oh! Khajiit just read the thread title on the main page and didn't notice the spoiler part! Sorry!

Posted by: Acadian Jun 24 2017, 12:53 PM

For a variety of reasons, I'm sure I will never see GoT on vid/TV. That said, it seems like an intriguing saga that I would likely enjoy. Are the books pretty good?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 24 2017, 01:45 PM

Khajiit likes the books a lot! The problem is the author doesn't seem interested in finishing the series.

Posted by: Acadian Jun 24 2017, 02:25 PM

Thanks, Khajiit! My focus is normally on the journey not the destination so that should be okay.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jun 24 2017, 02:31 PM

Well what is written so far is quite a journey, that's fo sho!

Posted by: mALX Jun 24 2017, 03:13 PM

I am kind of that way, but not in stories = I like to have a tangible end (or at least tie up all loose ends; don't leave us with so many mysteries and never conclude them so we can know if our conjecture was right; etc).

Posted by: Dark Reaper Jun 25 2017, 03:57 AM

I never saw an episode of Game of Thrones but I did collect some of the figures to make an Elder Scrolls type movie.
https://youtu.be/0_WWNhv6EvI.

I'd finish this if only I had a proper video editing software.

Posted by: mALX Jun 25 2017, 03:32 PM

This vid is amazing !!!!!!!!!!! You did an Awesome job making this, what a talent you have! Not just how you brought figurines to life; you should submit yourself as a voice actor, too! Really great job, just plain AWESOME!!!!!!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Jun 25 2017, 03:39 PM

Thanks .

Posted by: mALX Jul 17 2017, 02:11 AM

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jul 17 2017, 02:22 AM

Lol, is mALX excited? Khajiit can not tell!

Posted by: Dark Reaper Jul 17 2017, 02:46 AM

Let us celebrate by dropping our pants and underwear and let our floppy wieners flop in a way that'll make RR Martin proud .



Yeah South Park has basically ruined GoT for me .

Posted by: mALX Jul 17 2017, 08:32 AM

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Jul 17 2017, 07:42 PM

Khajiit thought it was a good episode.

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 02:29 PM

On the Game of Thrones front = I continue to be disappointed in the show this season. The acting is even beginning to fail; they have started just delivering lines at us instead of making us believe it.

This season they are cramming scenes together instead of weaving a story; not to mention impossible distances are crossed in minutes and everyone has some omnipotent knowledge of everything happening all over the universe despite it is medieval times. It has become ridiculous, and so "Hollywood" that it is falling just short of eye-rolling. I'd have to call this the worst season so far, imho.

Also, they are resorting to cheezy tricks like doing all their filming in darkened rooms so you are straining to see everything. How is it daylight for the scene of Jamie on his horse, but dark to see the fires the dragon just laid down against the night sky? Then back to Jamie in daylight on horseback, then back to the night shot of the flames? What is wrong with this picture?

They have totally suspended believability in this show to cram scenes at us; and it seems even the actors aren't feeling it anymore from their wooden delivering of their lines. That stilted meeting between Arya and Sansa? WTF?

Posted by: hazmick Aug 7 2017, 03:05 PM

I'm actually quite impressed that they've managed to keep the visual effects looking more or less consistent with previous seasons, despite a greatly reduced budget. They have a lot to cram into fewer episodes, so they're really hammering the pacing. It's kind of hit and miss as to whether it works or not.

I think the meeting between the Stark kids was done that way to show how distant they've become. Arya isn't a little girl who's happy to see her sister - she's been trained as an assassin, experienced a ton of bad times, and killed dozens of people. Her meeting with Jon will be the one that should be emotional, since she was closest to him as far as the Starks go.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Aug 7 2017, 03:33 PM

Khajiit thought it was a good episode *shrugs*

Stuff is finally getting done.

Re: The Loot Train battle
It wasn't night time. It was frickin smoke, and lots of it! The sun did appear to be setting, hence the golden tinge on everything when the smoke was momentarily clear.

Re: Khajiit agrees with Haz that the meeting between Arya and Sansa was intentionally awkward.

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 03:48 PM

I am having trouble understanding why they are having to work on a reduced budget; it makes no sense when the show is one of the most successful out there. Who reduced their budget, and why?

And they don't HAVE to force an end to the show in two seasons; they are choosing to. It is a successful show, if there is that much content remaining = why not extend it? And why are they giving us such short episodes and shortened seasons instead of the full episodes and seasons they gave us in the past?

So if they are cramming them, it is to save on cost and meet a deadline that none of us (fans of the show) really want them to meet. Cutting the quality of the show to ensure they keep making millions in profit is just going to harm the fanbase that is supporting their profit.

** not to mention that while they cut our quality of viewing; they managed to blow a wad on cameos of stars to "surprise a member of the cast on her Birthday" (while making another disjointed scene that did nothing to further the story).

That scene would have been fine and acceptable if it wasn't taking up room in an already crammed two seasons that they have set as their deadline ending of the show (seasons which are shorter than any previous seasons and with shorter episodes).

I'll use Breaking Bad as an example = we knew when we were reaching the last two seasons of that show, but they never once stinted on giving us the best possible performances/scenes; never crammed it up into disjointed scenes thrown at us in compressed episodes. It continued to be a chronologically occurring story that was riveting - it even got better as the last seasons played out; not cheapened.

I can't imagine any reason HBO would cut the budget of one of the highest watched shows of this decade.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Aug 7 2017, 03:49 PM

I agree entirely, especially with Arya and Sansa's reunion after three years!!

One thing though I disagree on: teleportation. The simple answer is that a lot more time elapsed than it first appeared. This has been the case in the show all along which has eaten up much time than the novels. More than a month elapses in the very first episode of the series. By the end of Season 5 Myrcella Baratheon says that she had spent “years” living in Dorne, where she was sent towards the end of Season 2. Even in the fourth book, GRR Martin mentioned, "Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year." From this, you can tell that the narrative as presented in the books is not strictly sequential - some things take place simultaneously, and the gap between each episode can't be assumed to be the same either. How do we make the leap from the book to the show? Simple - the first season followed so closely to the first book that we can assume that timelines are depicted in a similar fashion.

Season 7 comes along and I don't think the writers are going to devote an entire episode of Jon on a boat to Winterfell, or Varys going to and fro Dorne. Not even the story can pickup on their arrival.

Posted by: hazmick Aug 7 2017, 04:09 PM

/snip

I don't know the specifics, it's just what I've heard.

I imagine it's more about budget allocation than anything else. The amount of scenes with dragons, whitewalkers and other cgi stuff will be increasing exponentially from previous seasons and that will be a huge chunk of money they need to remove from other scenes. The popularity of the show might also work against it, since the actors that were previously (more or less) unknown are now big stars with expensive contracts (some of the actors are on at least $1 million per episode). It's also likely that they're pooling the budget for a big finale.

HBO knows by now that people will continue to pay to watch whatever they churn out. They could have an entire episode that's just a still image of Emilia Clarke on the screen for 50 minutes and it'd still get millions of viewers.

Posted by: ghastley Aug 7 2017, 04:26 PM

FTFY

Posted by: Dark Reaper Aug 7 2017, 04:37 PM

You guys would love this parody from https://youtu.be/iAnNzWB-4zY.



{You posted to Forums....Forums betray you}.

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 04:56 PM

This. And: I'd watch it, especially if there was a chance to see her nude and coming out of a fire! (I'm straight, but hey! It's Emilia Clarke nude coming out of a fire!!! )

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 05:16 PM

I agree with some of the timelines being shortened; but when in the same episode they jump from showing Jamie leaving one Province to return to KL; and he has a caravan of their goods = and mysteriously the dragon killing weapon that Q was showing Cersei in KL last episode. Meanwhile Dany not only just learns of this; but manages mustering the Rohirrim Dothraki to the exact spot on the road he is at. We know how the dragons made it, but a whole army and their horses?

And then in the same scene where Dany just found out about it; they pan to the beach and Jon meeting Reek Theon; and Jon says Dany is gone. Next scene the Dothraki army is attacking Jamie. No scenes of an army preparing to leave.

And while the battle is taking place, Tyrion (who was just at that beach watching Theon and Jon's meeting = is suddenly right there at the battlefield just watching it all happen (when it is supposed to be happening down in the south) - and he can see so clearly that he is commenting on Jamie's thoughts before and after Jamie charging the dragon!

I understand cutting some time out because you can only show so much of someone on a ship; but to never see her and an army plus horses leaving the castle?

That is what is making it disjointed; they are cutting out some scenes that shouldn't have been cut, and covering it by a stupid cramming of Theon's arrival and Jon saying Dany "is gone." They didn't even show Dany coming to the decision that she was going to act; they jumped to her THERE from Jon advising her not to and her looking like she listened to him.

And if they are going to try to make Tyrion or Varys the mole in her camp who is telling everyone their plans; then they are negating everything that GRRM built about their characters through all the previous seasons.

I'm not the only one that is noticing all the character changes, this quote from "The Verge" magazine online agrees:



And, all ll I have to say about all the omnipotent knowledge in this show is = those darn Ravens must have bionic wings or a jet engine between their legs!

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 05:33 PM

I'd watch that too,

Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2017, 09:19 PM

BWAAHAA !!!! That was great!

Posted by: Decrepit Aug 10 2017, 08:53 PM

Came across a most interesting longish YouTube video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdE8VEQReP0. This same channel has a number of other worthwhile discussions.

On a much smaller scale, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs.

Posted by: mALX Aug 10 2017, 10:20 PM

Ooh, while watching these I discovered this, GRRM's original outline for the books before finishing the first book!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5BWmtvO4c

Posted by: mALX Aug 10 2017, 11:08 PM

The first vid you linked (which is a two-parter) has some interesting info, but the guy making the vid is so slow at presenting it that it becomes irritating to listen to. Why he had to show us his outlines for the vid planning first and THEN re-go over them when he presented the quotes from the interviews??? (Why not just show the quote from the interviews and address it in one instance?) He was way too wordy and repetitive; which is too bad because the info he had is something I would like to hear; but probably hear by someone who can cut through all the drama and go right to the meat of the topic.

The second vid was excellent; extremely informative (but concise!!!) Nice one, very interesting!

Posted by: Decrepit Aug 10 2017, 11:49 PM

I had intended to mention that the first video was long-winded and that the gist of it could be gleaned within its first several minutes. Me being me, it totally slipped my mind.

Interesting linked video. I've long known some sort of early ASOIAF synopsis existed, but never before encountered it.

Posted by: mALX Aug 11 2017, 12:21 AM

Lol, I think that first guy liked to compartmentalize way too much; but if he had just kept all that to himself and used it as a silent guide for his own purposes it would have worked perfectly; because the meat of what he was showing was well worth learning. I have always felt like D&D's obsessive love of cameos was behind some of the worst side ventures the story took (that did nothing to further the story). They should never have been left unchecked, they need editing.

Oh, on that vid I linked - that was the first time I was able to hear what was in that synopsis too; and I was really surprised how much it strayed from the version the TV has. Makes me wonder if the books had that Arya love triangle in them, urk. (and since Sansa was hinting about Arya and Jon in this last episode, makes me wonder if D & D are going to try and insinuate it into the TV version now, urgh, yuk!).

Posted by: mALX Sep 18 2017, 07:10 AM

Hmmmm!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0i3iz43NU8



Mmmmmmm!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw50mRyJ1IQ

Posted by: Decrepit Sep 18 2017, 01:33 PM

While watching mALX linked videos I noticed a GoT / ASOIAF recommendation with the intriguing title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePTjdDXslM. Fascinating food for thought, much of which I agree with at least in part.

Posted by: mALX Sep 18 2017, 07:47 PM

I most def agree with everything he said regarding season 7 and what (D & D) are projecting as their ending for the series in the upcoming season 8. And I also have wondered if GRRM was hoping he would die before having to complete the books because then he would have gone out on a high note and as tragically as his characters in the story = with unfinished storylines.

But I also think that IF GRRM had written it, season 7 would not have been the most poorly written piece of "telling" crap ever produced out of Hollywood or ended up being the total shark jump that it was. I blame D & D for their cramming; their clumsy arrow pointing in their attempts at foreshadowing; at their "telling" instead of "showing" - at their total removal of any form of personality or good dialogue from any of the characters so they ended up just delivering trite lines and several that sounded like he was trying to make them catch-phrases = like how many times are we going to hear "I'll impregnate the bitch?" I was reminded of those cheesy sitcom shows where the characters look into the camera and say the same line every week to get the live audience's to cheer ("What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?").


All the characters in season 7 repeated lines from their past as if D & D were trying to say, "remember this?" = Yeah, we do remember when it was said originally; back when the story was being well written and well produced. By throwing the same line of dialogue in now, it is a cheesy attempt to wrap us into the same feelings we had about the story/character the first time those lines were said = and it is not working, because the build up of complete story is not behind the lines NOW, when they are just thrown out carelessly and for no reason but an attempt to manipulate the audience. I don't think D & D have any idea how bad they really are.

Back to the vid - I don't totally agree with him that GRRM could not have written a successful conclusion IF he had finished the books before his fame took off; but after this huge break from writing, I don't think he could achieve as quality an ending ever again. Regardless that he says he wouldn't be influenced by public opinion, I do think he would be. After all, he would want his success to continue; and fans are fickle. But I doubt very much he would ever pander to the fans to the extent D & D have so obviously done. And at least it would still be well written; though maybe not to the quality of the early chapters when he was so inspired.

Season 7 turned me off so badly that I am pretty sure my GoT addiction has been officially cured. Not sure if even GRRM could pull his story back from the damage D & D did to it. He really should have published those last two books before season 7; his audience may have lost all interest before he gets them out now.

Posted by: Decrepit Sep 18 2017, 10:00 PM

Me, I've not seen any season seven episodes in full. Watching excerpts from a few of them at YouTube (as after-view reviews) was enough to convince me that the show has gone decidedly downhill, even though the first several such videos were either somewhat positive or at least not overly negative. As to Martin finishing the books, I sometimes wonder if, at this stage, he's deliberately holding off until GOT is dead and buried, so that his book sales have no competition. That, and maybe he figures people will, once some time has passed, want to know how the story really resolves itself.

Posted by: mALX Sep 18 2017, 10:57 PM

That could be the reason he is holding off now; but wouldn't explain why he held off at the time he first stopped writing the rest of the story. He says "writer's block," but it hit right at the same time his fame blew wide open and he certainly never had any problem writing all those other shows he did in the aftermath. I think his inspiration for this story waned because he found the new (and much more productive/lucrative) venue for his talents that pushed him beyond any place that future books could ever achieve.

But all that aside = he should never have allowed D & D to ruin his efforts. He would have been much better off having the series suddenly dumped right at the end of the season that the books ended and have the world clambering for more (and like that vid said = imagining their own endings) than to have it get so bad that people are turning from it in disgust. D & D couldn't have done worse if they had set out to deliberately sabotage GRRM with season 7.

There was a noticeable decline in the quality of the show about the time they reached the end of the books - especially evident in the character development and dialogue of Tyrion. All his hugely intelligent and humorous dialogue suddenly sank down into belching and slurred speech. He went from the most charismatic character in the show to just being a sidekick to whomever he was with at the time.

Tyrion wasn't the only blatant change in the last few seasons since the books ended. The gray characters GRRM was famous for suddenly became all black and white with no depth and completely lacking emotionally evocative roles to inspire the audience to care about them.

The beginning seasons were richly subtle; there was never any overt arrows to point to the plot twists so they really came as a surprise when they happened (like the Red Wedding!!!).

In contrast; D & D are as subtle as a train wreck; going way too far one direction to try and make it a "surprise" when the story turns the other way. Example: the ridiculously unbelievable hatred they built up between Sansa and Arya just so they could "suddenly" surprise us when they work together to turn on Littlefinger. As soon as they took the sisters out of character and out of any believable sisterly relationship premise, it was so obvious they were going to do something that it was eye-rolling. They may as well have hung a giant red arrow with the words, "Watch This!!!" written on it.

D & D don't trust the audience to be intelligent enough to detect any subtle plot turns; so they feel they have to make blatant reversals to get the shock value. That is where GRRM excelled - he never doubted his audience could follow what was going on, so kept everything so natural that we were stunned when the plot turned suddenly. And he knew better than to completely flip characters around to the point where they are no longer recognizable as themselves.

Another flaw that really ate up film time without furthering any story lines was D & D's obsession with cameos of stars they personally want to showcase (that have nothing to do with the major plot at all) The Dorne storyline was a baby that GRRM planned to murder in the films because there was no room for it and it wasn't part of the major storyline. D & D wanted to showcase a star THEY loved, so drew out that whole Dorne storyline just to give her a starring role.

I won't get into all the belief-suspending Ninja Arya stuff; but I def agree with the vid about the Mary-Sue/Gary-Sue feel of the story since GRRM's influence waned.

I can say this: I have never been so in love with a series in the beginning seasons of the show; and have never been so severely disappointed in a show as I was in season 7. And once I get this turned off, I'm usually gone. I will probably force myself to watch season 8; but not looking forward to it with eager anticipation like I had been all the other seasons.

Posted by: mALX Sep 22 2017, 07:32 AM

My son just got his Birthday present (that I'm pretty sure he ordered himself) = the coin Arya Stark used for passage to Bravos:




(the iron coin of the faceless man that you hand people and say, "Valar Morghulis" to gain any help you need).

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Sep 22 2017, 05:01 PM

That's cool!

Posted by: mALX Sep 22 2017, 06:18 PM

Yeah, it is ... but ... what is he going to do with that? I don't think that is a collectible that will gain much value over time, lol.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Sep 22 2017, 07:32 PM

Well obviously he's to go and join a death cult

Posted by: mALX Sep 22 2017, 07:36 PM

Urgh; he was watching reruns of Dexter the other day ...

Posted by: mALX Oct 2 2017, 07:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJyVIqMX6Q8

Posted by: mALX Feb 7 2019, 06:52 PM

Necromancy!!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fhOItB0zUM

Posted by: Dark Reaper Feb 7 2019, 06:58 PM

https://youtu.be/qSXs-qafa5s he he he .

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2019, 03:48 AM

Anyone watch the final season premiere?

Posted by: mALX Apr 17 2019, 04:19 PM

ME!!! Can we discuss spoilers yet? Because I'm dying to know 2 things:


1.




and 2.






There were a few other places I loved, but I was kind of disappointed that D & D felt the need to info dump in catching the audience up on all the players in the show, I mean = we aren't dumb; we remember the cast and storyline!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2019, 06:33 PM

1.

2.

Khajiit liked !!!

Posted by: mALX Apr 17 2019, 08:07 PM

Right? And that Umber kid left Winterfell in one scene and was a dead Wight 3 scenes later; so they are less than a day away.

But I really hope they wait to kill Jaime till he has helped them fight, since he has a Valerian Steel sword, lol.

By the way, where did Arya get the Valerian Steel sword she is having turned into a lance to kill the ice dragon with? Was that Jon Snow's? (because it couldn't have been Jaime's yet; he didn't arrive till after that scene). I know Sam had one, Jon Snow had one, and Jaime had one. (and if I'm not mistaken, Arya's Needle is Valerian Steel).

By the way, did you get to see any of the Extras from this season? If so, make SURE you see "The Crypts of Winterfell," and friggin' freeze the film on the last scene in that vid! It is only a couple minutes long. I stopped the film 3 times at the end and looked VERY closely. It is a HUGE foreshadowing!!!!


(and bone-chilling!!!)

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2019, 09:03 PM

Arya’s Needle is referred to in both the books and show as “castle forged steel”, that is, steel forged in the smithy of a smith under the direct employ of a major lord. Khajiit takes this to mean that it’s superior to most commercial products, but not as good as Valyrian. Khajiit believes that the weapon you are referring to is the Valyrian steel dagger that was used to try and kill Bran waay back in season 1 that somehow came into Arya’s possession (this one doesn’t remember how that came to be).

Posted by: mALX Apr 17 2019, 09:21 PM

I'll have to watch season one again to see when Jon made Needle for her whether she looked at it and said it was Valerian Steel. I thought she did. But I know it isn't Needle she is having melted down to make the lance = it was a greatsword, like Jon Snow carries.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 17 2019, 09:32 PM

Needle was forged by Mikken, Winterfell’s smith, back before the bad times. Khajiit believes Jon was the one who commissioned it for her though.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 17 2019, 11:21 PM

I feel like the episode could have used another 10 minutes throughout to flesh out some dialogue. Certain scenes between characters seemed rushed.

Posted by: mALX Apr 17 2019, 11:44 PM

I know Jon Snow commissioned Needle for Arya; just didn't remember if it was Valerian Steel or not (and by the way, I know my spelling is off on some words and names from the show, lol. Sorry about that).

Anyway, I watched it again, and Needle isn't Valerian Steel; but there are a lot more Valerian swords out there than I knew about. I knew Jaime gave his to Brienne of Tarth and kept Joffrey's = those were the two swords made from Ned's huge Valerian greatsword. And I knew the one Sam took from his home was Valerian; and the dagger that Arya has now (that the assassin tried to kill Bran with). Jon Snow got his from Mormont.

But I looked it up, and it turns out that all the great houses of the seven kingdoms each had one; so there are more floating around than we have been shown in the show. However = that doesn't tell us which one Arya is having melted down right now, lol.

Did you get to see the "Crypts of Winterfell?" You absolutely have to see it if you don't mind some foreshadowing!









Agreed 100% on that. D & D are terrible for rushing at things; and also for feeling the audience needs to be TOLD stuff instead of showing us and letting us decipher it.

(example: they had everyone around Jon Snow TELLING him that they noticed his interest in Dani without showing the audience one single scene that showed him being interested).

They are either really heavy handed or they are racing and totally skipping over places where depth is absolutely needed = like that scene you brought up. He never even tells Jon his parents were married; I guess Jon was supposed to get that from Sam saying he was never a bastard.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 18 2019, 03:36 AM

Khajiit really does believe it is that Valyrian steel dagger that they used to try and kill Bran. It would make an excellent spearhead.

This one will watch the Crypts thing later tonight!

Posted by: mALX Apr 18 2019, 04:11 AM

I can't wait to hear your comments about that Crypts vid = I was screaming it was so huge!!!

I thought she gave Gendry a full sword; but I guess I could be wrong. I'll watch it again to see.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 18 2019, 04:26 AM

To be honest, Khajiit is just speculating about the dagger because he saw her with it at one point. He didn’t see what she actually gave Gendry. This one needs to rewatch that episode at some point.

Also, she may have showed more emotion last season and Khajiit just forgot, but . That was a big f-in’ deal, and she’s just like “Whatev’s.”.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 18 2019, 05:04 AM

@mALX: Khajiit watched the trailer set in the crypts. Were you talking about the statues at the end or something else?

Posted by: mALX Apr 18 2019, 05:31 AM

YES! Did you freeze the film and see who those statues were of?




Another thing I noticed, in the opening credits those fancy carved swords with pictures on them? They are completely different this season than they have been the whole show = one of them is showing



Some are speculating that 4th is Dani; but...I am hoping there is a better and more interesting explanation, lol.









She still has that dagger, because she sparred with Brianne of Tarth with it last season.

Yeah, I def agree with you on Dani seeming to brush off her Dragon's death really quickly. Yes, she showed emotion at the time, but not as much as one might expect for a "mother" over her "children." And she hasn't once shown any grieving since then.

I don't think emotional scenes are D & D's forte, they seem to really fail every time the actors should be feeling something.

Posted by: Grits Apr 18 2019, 12:58 PM

Here’s a little Episode 1 treat for those who hated Ed Sheeran’s cameo as a Lannister soldier:




It’s possible that Meera Reed also has…


I have the problem of forgetting what’s in the books vs what’s in the show. For example regarding the Crypts of Winterfell



I took Arya’s sketch to mean



Also wouldn’t it be cool if the dragons

Posted by: mALX Apr 18 2019, 05:37 PM

I'll have to watch the episode again to see that sword Meera had, I didn't even catch that! And by the way, when are they going to finally bring Howland Reed into this; because GRRM said Howland Reed knew too much to ever be a P.O.V. character. I know he know what happened in the Tower of Joy; and possibly he was a witness to the wedding. But the show has brought all that info out via Bran and Sam; so not sure if they ever even plan to bring Howland into it.

I was absolutely sure Arya was making that weapon to kill an undead dragon; but the ability to split it in the middle makes me wonder if I'm wrong and that she is going to use it like that stick she learned to use so well in the "house of the many faced god." Maybe it will do both?

What I was wondering about was where she got the dragon-glass and Valyrian steel sword she handed Gendry. I'll have to watch that again, but I thought she handed him a Valyrian steel sword (and I wondered whose sword she handed him because it looked just like the one Jon Snow showed her when they met under that tree).

On that fourth dragon = oh, wouldn't that be Awesome? I was just remembering that when Bran first talked to the "3-eyed raven" that the raven told him he wouldn't walk again, but that he would fly. (and Bran can warg into a wolf; maybe he can also warg into a dragon?)

But there was one huge dragon and three really small dragons; so maybe your idea is the correct one here!

I did catch that little interchange between the hookers and Bronn; but didn't realize it was Ed Sheeran they were referring to, Thanks for that, it really did seem like they blew a lot of the budget money for the film on that little cameo and then raced us through valid content to make up for it, lol.

Wow, I didn't remember that horn, but I think they showed it in the vid in the crypts! And why would they linger the camera over it if it didn't have significance? Good catch Grits !!!! *mALX runs back to rewatch the early episodes...*







Horn of Winter:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rus_mXVLkJM

Posted by: mALX Apr 19 2019, 12:34 AM

** Just a side note: Every time I hear about the "Mad King" Targarian = I keep thinking of "Hodor/Hold the door." Jaime said that he (the mad king) kept repeating the same thing for hours, "burn them all" = just like Hodor kept saying "Hold the door" for hours. Makes me wonder if Bran caused that by traveling back in time.

Posted by: mALX Apr 19 2019, 11:06 PM

Also wonder if Sansa Stark and/or Tyrian will end up on the throne at the end, lol.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 19 2019, 11:15 PM

Tbh, Khajiit suspects that there won’t be an Iron Throne after all is said and done.

Posted by: mALX Apr 20 2019, 05:05 AM

Maybe the Night King will be sitting on it, lol.


I picked Sansa because she has been thoroughly groomed by Littlefinger to replace Cersei = she is calculating and smarter than the average bear, lol.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 20 2019, 12:09 PM

Lol, we’ve been told that (the conversation between her and Tyrion) but then she does things like jeopardize the entire war effort against the NK because she “doesn’t like” Dany and that John gave up his crown for forge an alliance with her. That kind of petty nonsense doesn’t really seem indicative of a smart and calculating person.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 20 2019, 03:38 PM

I don’t know. Maybe Tyrion is playing the game so well or he betrays Dany and Jon and gets executed for treason by them. So far he’s made some bad decisions that sort of helped the Lannister family. I hope I’m wrong.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 20 2019, 03:47 PM

Eh, Khajiit thinks Tyrion has chosen his side and will stick with it. It would be funny if Tyrion gets eaten by Undead Viserion

Posted by: mALX Apr 21 2019, 12:02 AM

I think Tyrion will survive = he is like a floating turd, he keeps bobbing up to the surface no matter who tries to end him. He is kind of like a perfect "anti-hero" type that somehow works their way through hundreds of plots against him = I don't see him dying now.

Not only that, but I am still not sure Tyrion isn't a Targarian too.

(Which would fit right in with the type of Irony GRRM loves = Jaime killed Aerys Targarian, who would have been Tyrion's father if Tyrion IS a Targarian = and Tyrion killed Jaime's father Tywin Lannister = evening the score if true) That would be another subtle winning for Tyrion; and fit right in with his life in the story so far. (so I'm rooting for him being a Targarian).

Posted by: mALX Apr 21 2019, 12:23 AM

Oh, I was remembering Dany's prophetic vision in that "Temple of the Undying" - the whole roof of that throne room was gone, and the throne room filled with snow and ice = but the throne was still sitting there. Dany reached out to touch it; but then at the last second turned away before her hand touched the throne and instead went to the room behind the throne = I can't remember what was in that back room, was it where she saw Khal Drogo and her baby Rhaego?

I know she never did touch that iron throne even though she was but inches from it; and it had to be after Winter came because of the snow and ice = and the throne was still intact, even though the building around it was destroyed.

The way GRRM writes, I'm pretty sure that means she will never get to take the throne, since that was a prophetic vision.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 22 2019, 04:49 PM

Saw a lot of Arya this week
Khajiit feels dirty.

Posted by: Grits Apr 22 2019, 04:59 PM

Yeah, that moment had me and my daughter both sort of looking away and saying, "She's much older than we think, she's not 14 anymore, gaah!"

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 22 2019, 05:06 PM

Lol, storywise she’s what, 16 maybe 17?

Posted by: mALX Apr 22 2019, 05:13 PM

She didn't appear to be very happy with the outcome, though (and I couldn't help thinking she should have chosen Podrick Payne (Brienne of Tarth's Squire) to be her first/only = at least she would have been smiling in the followup scene, lol).

(based on when Tyrion and Bronn sent Podrick to Littlefinger's brothel with a sack of gold as a reward = and when he returned he still had the full bag of gold because they all refused to charge him because they all said Podrick was the best any of them had ever been with, lol).

Posted by: Grits Apr 22 2019, 06:04 PM

I think she's 18 in the show but younger in the book, and I get the sense that Gendry is not much older (though the actor looks early 30s to me). Mr. Grits hasn't seen this episode yet. I suspect he is going to feel a bit dirty as well.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 22 2019, 06:16 PM

Pod is indeed supposed to be very good with his sword, but this one doesn’t think Arya knew this about him. Not only that, but Khajiit doesn’t remember Arya and Pod having much interest in each other. Arya and Gendry on the other hand have had good chemistry in the past.

Posted by: mALX Apr 23 2019, 12:49 AM

I know. It was just a joke about that strange look on her face afterward. She didn't look well pleased. It wasn't meant to be literal.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 23 2019, 12:54 AM

Ah, gotcha. Tbh, Khajiit didn’t pick up on the “weird face” afterwards. This one will have to watch again.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 23 2019, 02:23 AM

So has anyone amongst the living acknowledged that the Army of the Dead have an undead dragon?

Posted by: mALX Apr 23 2019, 02:37 AM

Bran told Jon Snow in front of Dany as soon as they arrived at Winterfell in the first episode of this season. That is what prompted Darkness Eternal to say that it didn't seem like Dany reacted at all a page or so back in this thread. Since that was one of her "babies," it seems like she should have had a reaction to hearing it, but showed none at all.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 23 2019, 02:45 AM

Geez, Khajiit is not paying close attention this season lol

Posted by: mALX Apr 23 2019, 03:05 AM

Posted by: Grits Apr 23 2019, 03:30 PM

I was completely wrong about Arya's staff. Looks like it's dragon glass on both ends, and she still has her big dagger. Does she still have Needle? Is it possible that Needle is concealed inside the staff? I'm fixated on this darn weapon!

Posted by: mALX Apr 23 2019, 05:08 PM

She still has Needle. This is going to add a staff (like she trained with in the House of the Many Faced God) with the dagger-type tip made of Dragonglass on both ends; but it can be split in two and make for duel wielding = if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 23 2019, 05:30 PM

It’s going to be like the double bladed lightsabers. “More slaughter per swing.”
Arya is going to be a whirlwind of destruction with that thing!

Posted by: Uleni Athram Apr 24 2019, 12:18 PM

I see the shadow of Maul is still strong...

But goddamn tho, that scene with Greyworm and Missandei. Dude's a soldier through and through; after that One Last Fiery Hubba-Hubba, he didn't even look back.

Posted by: mALX Apr 24 2019, 01:29 PM

I like both of them together. Really surprised to hear him talk of leaving Dani because he has always been so loyal to her! But that said = if he is going to leave anyway; might be a good idea to do it quickly before the battle, or it may never happen.

By the way = is his weapon Valyrian Steel or does he have dragonglass on it? I think it is still just plain wood still. And if I was him, I'd be wondering why the best trained fighter there other than Arya Stark doesn't have a dragonglass weapon!









https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bf/Darth_Maul.png/220px-Darth_Maul.png

Posted by: Grits Apr 24 2019, 02:01 PM

Just in case anyone hasn’t watched and is reading this thread…

Posted by: mALX Apr 24 2019, 02:43 PM

Well, this part is just conjecture anyway; so not really spoilers. But I have to agree with you on all of this. Brienne could never have a future with Jaime; and so her story would only be completed if she dies as the Knight she always dreamed of being = defending those she is sworn to protect = she comes around full circle.

And Tormund will never have Brienne; so I think he will die fighting beside her = and most likely trying to save her in the attack that kills her.

(below does have spoiler in it)

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 24 2019, 03:53 PM

Posted by: mALX Apr 24 2019, 04:38 PM

Posted by: mALX Apr 25 2019, 01:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0w0EqKfij8

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 29 2019, 04:08 PM

Holy [censored].

Posted by: mALX Apr 29 2019, 04:35 PM

Is that over the episode or over the vid posted above? Lol.


If over the episode: "Ditto!"

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 29 2019, 05:07 PM

Lol over the episode.

Posted by: mALX Apr 30 2019, 12:58 AM

I heard an interview GRRM did where he said she was his favorite character.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 30 2019, 04:04 AM

Arya is definitely my favorite character. Always has been since I started reading the books. I heard GRRM is quite fond of Tyrion as well.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 30 2019, 04:37 AM

What a weekend!! After watching Endgame, I went straight home to watch Game of Thrones. The entire episode was nerve wracking. There were plenty of great moments!

Melisandre, though.... she’s probably one of my favorite characters next to the Hound and Jaime. The trench scene was amazing and the Lord of Light theme there gave me massive goosebumps!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 30 2019, 06:19 AM

Khajiit loved that the fires didn’t automatically light right up and Mel had her “why hast thou forsaken me” moment. Then they light and the dead are just standing motionless on the other side of the trench, blue eyes blazing. It was pretty chilling!

Posted by: mALX Apr 30 2019, 08:46 AM

I really wanted to see Melisandre get murdered by someone though; she always just showed up everywhere = I was really surprised the Onion Lord yelled for the gates to be opened for her! Didn't he swear to kill her if he saw her again?

So what I want to know is = will anyone pick up that necklace she dropped on the ground? And will it still hold power?




Yeah, didn't GRRM say he identified with Tyrion more than anyone else? Of course, that was back when Tyrion's dialogue was so witty and clever. When D & D took over the writing, they couldn't write Tyrion at all, just made him drunk or baldly rude.

(I.E. = "I have balls and you don't!") = NOT the great dialogue he had when GRRM had the pen in his hands.

Posted by: Dark Reaper Apr 30 2019, 02:03 PM

http://i.imgur.com/egQ9XTH.jpg.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Apr 30 2019, 02:17 PM

Khajiit suspects that without a mage or Priest/ess of R’hllor around, the necklace will probably not work. Looks like it would be valuable though.

Bahahaha!

Posted by: mALX Apr 30 2019, 02:41 PM

Except the Night King can't draw his weapon as fast as Maul, lol.







I am used to video games where the artifacts retain their power and so become desirable for using in major warfare (and so the Player has to hunt them to either keep them from an evil person's grasp and save the world at the last second - or to give them to the quest giver for them to protect or use for their own purpose). Maybe the secret of the magic would be that only someone with the right incantation/skill/or bloodlines could remove the protection from it to access the power like the Amulet of Kings, etc.)

Either way, I'm dying to see it looted from that ground, lol.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 6 2019, 04:54 AM

Oh what the hell......this episode was tragic.

I already know what happens in the next two episodes. I thought the leaks weren’t true but.... but.... why?!?! Why?!?!!?!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 6 2019, 04:53 PM

Posted by: Decrepit May 11 2019, 04:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVyxnMM3ldc.

Posted by: mALX May 13 2019, 09:23 AM

Why = because D & D are in charge...grrrrrrrr. Yes, those leaks are very accurate; this episode proves that even more than last episode.

I have two things to say about this episode:

HOLY CRAP!!!! This war was so much better than the Night King attack! I think it was the best war of the whole series!

And:









Ditto. He fell so immediately; and without having done a single bit of damage! It was TOO easy imho.

Posted by: mALX May 13 2019, 09:40 AM

Monty Python comes to Westeros...

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 13 2019, 02:30 PM

“She's not her father and she's not insane and she's not a sadist.”-David Benioff.

Wow. Some character development there!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 13 2019, 02:53 PM

She’s not?!

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 13 2019, 03:12 PM

That’s what I’m saying! They threw character development out the window and just contradicted themselves. He said that about two years ago, and now we saw what Daenerys became. Jaime Lannister? They utterly obliterated how far he came as a character with his latest decision. I know for sure next episode I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

Posted by: SubRosa May 13 2019, 04:49 PM

This sounds a lot like season 3 of Penny Dreadful. It just went completely off the rails then. Like they fired the original writers and replaced them with a room full of monkeys with typewriters.

I guess it is kind of true. They were following GRRM's writing in the early seasons right? Until they passed the point of his writer's block (or whatever is keeping him from writing more books). Then the quality of the show's writers really became apparent.

Posted by: mALX May 13 2019, 05:55 PM

BOLD: I'm already there. I have been there since Arya and Jaime were both wandering those stairwells trying to get into the Red Keep and she never found him, killed him, took his face, reached Cersei with Jaime's face, killed her, and stripped off Jaime's face just as Cersei was dying. Jaime's and Cersei's death was so Hollywood it wasn't funny. D & D suck.






Exactly right; and D & D are the monkeys with typewriters. The worst part is, they can't even see how badly they suck at it because they managed to keep a great audience based on GRRM's great original story. I agree with you; GRRM's writers block and him letting them take over his story was the ruination of what was one of the most Awesome stories around.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 13 2019, 06:10 PM

Season 3 of Penny Dreadful was awful, more so toward the end. What happened to Vanessa Ives left me feeling bad for quite awhile.

They did. Season 1 followed the first book almost religiously, and the dialogue was taken straight out. During season 5 the show began to suffer from changes, and coincidentally that's when the books end. Characters who made wise choices in the past make odd decisions now. Superb character development was thrown out the window when characters quite literally return back to their former ways, and the level of contradictions are too numerous to even begin.

To add insult to injury, HBO actually asked the directors if they wanted more episodes. And they decided to just stick with six episodes and rush the entire thing.


Jaime is like those people in abusive relationships who return time and time again to the same person, despite the countless times where they've suffered at their hands. He shouldn't have gone back. As for Cercei . . . everyone, including me, expected her to suffer a worse fate. She's one of the reasons her entire city got Spyro'd into Oblivion.

Daenerys character development was great until now . . . season 1 had her start from a fresh-faced timid young girl to an ambitious young woman climbing up the ladder. She's done cruel things and was capable of doing far worse, but her advisers always told her otherwise. Her main goal was to break the wheel of social injustice to save the kingdom from tyrants. While it is ironic in a way the path she took, it nonetheless is very dissatisfying seeing her go down that road. You can say she's just like her dad now, fulfilling his mad ranting about "burning them all."

Jon and Rhaegar are one in the same. Decent people with good morals caught up in bad situations.

Should I be worried about D&D taking the helm for the new Star Wars movies/shows?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 13 2019, 06:19 PM

Definitely echo what you folks are saying about Penny D. Khajiit loves that show, but the last season was a complete let down. The first half of that season seemed to be building up to something awesome and then the second half was like they just gave up and wanted it over. Episode 4 of that season, “A Blade of Grass”, was (imo) one of the best episodes of TV I’ve ever seen. After that, the show nose dived to it’s disappointing conclusion.

Posted by: Uleni Athram May 13 2019, 10:38 PM

Dany out here being a queen, dark and beautiful and much more terrible than the Night. Tempestuous as the Sea and stronger than the foundations of the Red Keep. All did not love her so she despaired.

Hela to Dany, if she watches GoT’s latest abomination: “Ugh, now you remind me of [your] dad.”

Seriously, take me back to Season 1 where Bobby B was the king. Take me back, babes, take me back...

EDIT:

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 14 2019, 12:01 AM

I can imagine Robert Baratheon in the afterlife screaming at Ned.

“I warned you this would happen, back in the North. I warned you, but you didn't care to hear!”

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 14 2019, 12:36 AM

Big Bobby B!!

Posted by: mALX May 14 2019, 12:48 AM

The day the books stopped and D & D took over; Tyrion never had another good line of dialogue. He went from being the cleverest person in the 7 kingdoms to being a slurring drunk without a thought in his head and making really dumb mistakes under D & D. And Tyrion used to be one of my favorite characters! (and along with Arya; was GRRM's too)

And I agree; Dani's development was Awesome until this season, then suddenly everyone is warning she is untrustworthy and POOF! She suddenly does a 180 and goes off the deep end! It makes no sense at all.

*SPOILER* (can't get spoiler tags to work)

Now I guess Tyrion is going to die since he released Jaime and the leaks predicted that would be his fate for doing it.

And after ALL this; the universe bringing Jon and Dani forward to fulfill the ancient prophecies and save the world (then both Dani and Jon are useless in the war and Arya saves the world) = and now if D & D kill both Jon and Dani off from the story; then everything GRRM wrote would have been for nothing! They would have turned the greatest story written by GRRM into as exercise in masterb8tion.

I wasn't even going to watch this season because the leaks two years ago said Jon dies, leaving Dani pregnant by him = she dies and Tyrion and Varys raise the child in the Iron Throne; and their daughter is supposedly the "One the ancient prophecies predicted..." = which would be so much Hollywood sucky crap I didn't even want to see it.

Truthfully = I think that is what D & D had written, and everyone revolted so badly at it when it was leaked that they decided to change it. What they have done so far this season is at least better than that; but it is still predicting they both die = which again, makes no sense since neither has fulfilled any prophecy.

And = I saw 3 baby dragons and one large one in that intro sword carving! Who is going to be the father of those dragons if Dani, Jon, and Tyrion are all dead? The big one would be Drogon; where are those babies?

So right now I'm pretty ticked off at D & D's slaughter of a good story. If they are taking over Star Wars; I won't be watching them anymore. I'll boycott everything D & D do if they screwed up GoT this badly.

*SPOILER*






Cleganbowl is over now, though, lol.

Bobby B =

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 14 2019, 12:57 AM

Can you guys imagine if Aerys had access to dragons?

Posted by: mALX May 14 2019, 02:44 AM

If D & D don't kill him off; he should have three of his own plus Drogon if the prediction on the carved swords is accurate.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 14 2019, 03:04 AM

No no, Dany’s father Aerys, “The Mad King”. If he had dragons, there probably wouldn’t be a story left to tell!

Also, what are these “carved swords” you speak of?

Posted by: mALX May 14 2019, 06:39 AM

Oh, I thought you were talking about Jon but using his Targarian name, lol.

Carved swords:

In the intro to each episode when they are playing that Awesome music they have always put a sword across the screen with gold carvings on it. It only sits there a short time; then the camera moves across a drawn map of Westeros to one of the seven kingdoms; then they showed a model of one of the cities whirring up; then they show another sword with different carvings on it; more of the map; then another city model whirring to life = etc.

Some of those carvings show stuff that has already happened; but some of them reveal secrets to something that hasn't happened yet.

Well, those swords seemed the same every season before; but THIS season they completely changed the designs on the swords; and the first episode of Season 8 the only city they showed was Winterfall; then they swept the camera all over the map but didn't open any other mechanical city model.

This season there are several that supposedly indicate the past; = like the one with the stag on the throne I think is indicating Robert Barathean - though technically it could indicate Gendry on the throne at the end, lol. (though I really doubt Gendry will seek the throne, or that even D & D would be stupid enough to stick him on it; lol).

But the final one shows 4 dragons = one really large one (I think it is Drogon) and three smaller dragons flying with him = not babies, but maybe yearlings?

Well, we know that when Mormont was traveling through old Valyria (when he caught the grayscale) with Tyrion that Drogon was there for some reason; but no one knows why. It was a LONG way from where Dani was; what was he (or she) doing there?

That was during the time in Season 4 that Drogon disappeared for so long and also during the time that Dani locked the other two dragons up in the top of that pyramid shaped top of her palace in Meereen.

Drogon only came back because Dani was in trouble = those people with masks attacked her in that fighting pit. Drogon swooped in and got her out of there = brought her to safety.

BUT = Normally she controls where he flies when she is on his back; but this time HE flew her where HE wanted to go. He brought her to a huge feeding grounds that he had been using during his time away from her. That showed he had established his own territory somewhere far away from her = so the question is why he had done that.

The theory is that he (or she) was starting a family of his/her own there in Valeria. (laying dragon eggs maybe?).

It was significant that they put those 4 dragons on the sword this season (AFTER the first dragon was killed last season by the Night King) = because that eliminated Dani's dragons from being the three small ones on the sword. (everyone was conjecturing that Dani was that large dragon = "mother of dragons").

Some other people thought the large dragon was "Cannibal" = that dragon that supposedly killed off all the other remaining dragons in Valyria's Lore. But since Dani was already down to two dragons by then, it couldn't be her three dragons.

Now she has lost another one; and Drogon is huge = so I am thinking Drogon is the big dragon on the sword; and that the three little ones are his/her offspring.

So anyway; that is the theory of why they changed the swords to show those three small dragons and one large one on that sword carving. I hope that he was busy in Season 4 laying eggs in Valyria; and that maybe three of them have hatched.

But if the leaks are right and both Dani and Jon Snow die; then who will be their human counterpart?




@ DE = if they have Jon Snow killing Dani like the leaks say = I'll wash my hands of the show. That would be the last straw for me on their flipping personalities. Because I still remember that Jon Snow couldn't kill Ygritte even when she was attacking his own men and killing them viciously; and even when she was attacking himself and trying to kill him. So if they flip him to where he kills Dani then it is totally against everything we know of Jon Snow.

Posted by: Uleni Athram May 14 2019, 11:02 AM

@mALX: I know Cleganebowl is over but in our heart of hearts it’s still ongoing. Probably because it’s the only thing that was actually good in that episode BWAHAHAHAH

Posted by: Kane May 14 2019, 01:33 PM

https://i.redd.it/5clfwgi2z4y21.jpg

Posted by: mALX May 14 2019, 03:58 PM

Well, I really did enjoy seeing the Dothraki horse charge through the streets.

I just think that after all the hype leading up to it; the Cleganebowl was kind of a "meh" moment they just threw in there; and really hate that they tried so hard to manipulate everyone into "feeling sorry for Cersei." All they did with that was tick me off that she didn't get an Arya face removing death; or at least a "toasted by a dragon" death.


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Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 15 2019, 12:57 AM

Bran wargs Drogon. Eats Dany because she won’t burn. Bran leaves his broken human body behind and remains a Dragon for the rest of his days. The end.

Posted by: SubRosa May 15 2019, 01:17 AM

I want mALX to write the show. More Arya wearing people's faces while assassinating folks!

Posted by: mALX May 15 2019, 01:42 AM

Yeah, why go through all that painful training if you are only going to use it once on Walder Frey? That should have been Cersei's death = Death by Jaime AKA Arya with the reveal right before her last breath!

Also, it would fulfill the prophecy by that witch who predicted she would be killed by her little brother. D & D obviously thought the fans of the show forgot that! (or more likely; D & D forgot it).

Seeing Arya kill Cersei with Jaime's face on is one of the man reasons I even watched this season!


*mALX stomps off to a corner and sulks...*










Not a bad idea; since Bran didn't even use all those powers to stop the war with the Night King. At least he could be good for SOMETHING other than telling everyone what they already know!

*mALX takes off a shoe, wipes it in dog poo, throws it at D & D*

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 15 2019, 01:52 AM

Bran was even told by Bloodraven that he would “never walk again” but he’d be able to “fly” instead. Now, he has indeed already warged some crows and ravens, but why not a dragon too?

Posted by: mALX May 15 2019, 02:10 AM

I know, right? I remembered him saying that too; and that is why I thought Bran would turn into a dragon and fight the Night King's dragon; but no! Maybe he can warg into a dragon and carry Dani to "Cannibal" and drop her off as a tasty treat?

But you could be right about him eating her, he did kill and eat when he was warged into a direwolf.

OH! What if he warged into a dragon already and HE is the father of Drogon's babies? BWAAHAA !!!!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 15 2019, 02:27 AM

Posted by: mALX May 15 2019, 02:42 AM

Posted by: Uleni Athram May 15 2019, 04:09 PM

Jaime: *kills Aerys to save the innocents*
Also Jaime: i dONt cARE aBOuT THe iNNocEnTs

Dany: *completely loses it and chains her dragon-children after hearing they burned a child*
Also Dany: THOSE FRICKIN BELLS! BURN THEM ALL!!!!!!

Gods be damned, everything is just... the magnitude of it all is just starting to do its number on me.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 15 2019, 06:14 PM

Lol, indeed! So bizarre. The Jamie one is worse than the Dany one, imo. This guy murdered his king to keep him from having King’s Landing burnt to the ground with all of the Wildfire he had spread throughout the city. Then for him to say he never cared much for the folks in King’s Landing is really unbelievable.

Posted by: mALX May 15 2019, 07:32 PM

Jamie flipped personalities three or four times since D & D took over; Dani completely flipped personalities these last two episodes; (like why she went street to street burning in the farthest end away from the castle and killing all those innocents she has been protecting till now; not to mention that she completely ignored Cersei just standing there watching her from the window and didn't go for the throne first after all this time) - Tyrion totally flipped personalities from brilliant to a dupe; Arya flipped personalities (suddenly her list gets tossed out when she is just feet away from completing her list just so Cersei can have a romantic death with her brother) = and if the leaks are true; then Jon Snow is about to completely flip personalities and murder the woman he loves; and so is Bran; whose flip to being wargarific didn't seem to help Westeros at all! I mean, the whole story was geared on his newfound abilities as the 3 eyed Raven; but then he never used a single bit of it when the time came!

Not to mention that the Witch's prophecy about the little brother choking Cersei to death = D & D flipped to him putting his hands on her throat lovingly as they die together! They are saying that the prophecy was just a "suggestion, not set in stone." Gee, all the other parts of it came true when GRRM was writing it!

Seriously: I have never seen such poor writing as what D & D have done to GRRM's story. What should have been epic has really become a farce in their hands.

Posted by: mALX May 18 2019, 01:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONrUvj0-bjI

Posted by: Renee May 18 2019, 02:00 PM

One of these days I want to get into this series. I've been saying that for years. But it's only on HBO, right?

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 18 2019, 03:01 PM

Yup. If you have Amazon Prime you can do a free trial subscription to HBO on the Amazon Prime Video service.

Posted by: Uleni Athram May 18 2019, 03:08 PM

At this point be Walmart-brand Jack Sparrow and just pirate it, my good dudette. Or go with what Catmandhou suggested!

Shame on the house of D&D. Shame!

Posted by: SubRosa May 18 2019, 06:43 PM

I suggest reading the books instead. If or when Martin ever finishes them. I never even liked the show, and I am outraged over how badly it has been butchered by the showrunners. I cannot imagine how incensed the people who really loved the show feel. Well, I don't have to imagine. The internetz has made that clear...

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 18 2019, 06:54 PM

Khajiit will second this advice. Even if Georgie boi never finishes them, the books are so much fun to read!

Posted by: Decrepit May 18 2019, 06:59 PM

I'll third recommending the books over the TV series. Much as I like and can recommend the show's earlier seasons, the books have 'em beat.

Posted by: Darkness Eternal May 20 2019, 04:40 AM

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/tommen-suicide-gif-6.gif

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 20 2019, 06:52 AM

Khajiit is glad

It’s stupid that

Posted by: mALX May 20 2019, 08:11 AM

If you fall out a window = even if you warg into a birdbrain you will be made a ruler as long as D & D are writing your scripts!


I've been watching Twitter, lol. Really liked this reaction:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1130288093888700416



The reason I went to Twitter and Reddit first = because if the leaks were true; I was not going to watch the episode at all = Which is exactly what happened. I boycotted the episode after last week's = not watching the last episode because I knew by then that the leaks were going to be true and I didn't want to see the BS on my screen and know HBO got paid for my viewing it. (plus: if I watch it, I'm going to be pissed off like I was last week = this way I avoid that at least).

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 20 2019, 03:33 PM

Well, hopefully the rumors are true that Georgie was just waiting for the end of the show series to finish the books. Khajiit is not holding his breath, however.

Posted by: mALX May 20 2019, 06:52 PM

According to his tweets on his official tweet site = he was not holding off till they were done with their murder of his story.

I think what you said last is the key = I don't think he is going back to his story. First: he sold the rights to it to HBO; so not sure how it would work if he did. They would own it, and they wouldn't be able to use it if it differed from the crap they committed to the last two weeks.

Secondly: He has been away from it for years and years now; and has been writing other completely different things for years now. He has numerous future hugely paying projects lined up; going back to finishing those two books would pay less than what he can make on future endeavors.

So he may finish them, but ... I doubt it.

D & D did fine when they were working off GRRM's writing and with his constant assistance; but as soon as his storyline stopped and it was up to D & D = they showed us exactly what they had to bring to the table; and the only thing that sustained them this long was the momentum and love for the great original story they had been working off of (both of which they have now destroyed with their ham-hands on the wheel instead of GRRM's).

Without GRRM's writing it was VERY clear who the real genius was behind them; and their ineptness and real lack of ability in writing a story became blatant.

D & D don't have a clue how to mold a character or story arc. They don't know how to show a story arc in either direction; or build a character in any way at all = they TELL you it happened and think that is just as good. It is not.

Example: They never showed us Jon falling in love with Dani = but had Tyrion say HE had "Noticed" Jon admiring her. None of us saw it, but we had Tyrion's word that he did = (so immediately Jon IS in love with Dani the next episode).

D & D don't know how to show the viewer something, they just TELL them they are seeing it and don't know it isn't the same thing. That is not just their version of character/story building; it is also how they change a well established character; which is even worse.

They think they are giving shock value; but instead what they are doing is negating everything previously known about that character as if it never existed and showing us a completely different character with no previous indications that ALL their characters had multiple personalities. It is not even character assassination; it is just really poor writing.

They took 8 seasons of a great ruler and good character and in two episodes had her reduced to a mad killer for no apparent reason; who suddenly didn't care about the throne she had been seeking for the entire show.

And like Dani suddenly slipping into the madness that supposedly ran in her family (which was possible due to the in-breeding; but hadn't been absolutely established since only her father had shown any madness) = instead of easing visual signs of it over time into the storyline; they just had a couple people say they didn't trust her the episode before she snaps!

What they could have done to give her a reason for it (and to give Bran some reason for still being alive) would be to have Bran warged back to Dani's father yelling to "Burn them all" for hours = and have Dani somehow be hearing it (like the Hodor instance).

** In fact, when Bran warged into that bird while the Night King's army was attacking; he could have gone back in time to the "Mad King's throne room and the shouting of "Burn them all!" in the background (from the war in Winterfell from them trying to stop the army of undead) could have been what caused the king to go mad to begin with = then maybe Bran got kind of stuck there and was still there when Dani was attacking King's Landing so SHE heard her father yelling "Burn them all!" and have it cause her to flip too = all Bran's doing!

That would at least have given Bran SOME purpose for still being alive; and a part in the "Game" for that throne = and that would have given some reason for Dani to have flipped right at that moment = especially at THAT moment.

Because otherwise it made no sense whatsoever that she wouldn't go straight for the Red Keep and Cersei; but instead go street by street at the furthest point from the Keep and killing innocents = no sense at all. Having Bran warg Dani into flipping into that mental state would have made a good reason for it to happen; and a good reason for her father to have flipped so suddenly too.

The REAL reason for it was purely D & D wanting to give Cersei and Jaime that romantic death in each other's arms (which was the same reason they had for Arya suddenly give up instantly on her goal of revenge that she lived by by for 8 seasons).

(and in doing that they completely negated the Valonqar "Little Brother" prophecy that was another theme throughout both the story and the show). D & D looked like they thought they'd made an intelligent twist to the Valonqar prophecy by turning the "choking to death" into loving hands cradling her throat. That was as dumb as their deaths by a few rocks hitting them after all they survived before that. It should have been Arya with Jaime's face or Dani and Drogon toasting her face in that window till it melted like the iron throne did.


D & D made the entire title of the book AND the show useless!

Show: From what I heard; D & D just had the survivors pick who sat the throne; and they chose Bran! Not Tyrion or Sansa, who both proved they could rule and had been a part of the "Game" that led to the throne; which would have kept the title "Game of Thrones" meaningful.

Book: The story was "A Song of Ice and Fire" = The entire story arc was about the fire and ice meeting in war; which should have been Dani and her dragons and Jon Snow against the Night King; with Bran an integral part by warging to a bird and bringing back the Children of the Forest to help stop the war. THAT is what the story was built up to do; but of course GRRM would have made it epic and with unforeseen twists = but that never happened.

Instead Bran was just immobile bait; the dragons/Dani/and Jon were useless = and Arya killed the "ice" = but she isn't the one prophecies have been holding out for; (Dani, Jon, or their unborn child were supposed to be the Prince). So that made no sense to any of the story arcs and negated them all except the fight for the throne.

Now, I didn't mind Arya being a killing Hero; because I love her character and she is awesome = but it still negates the whole "Prince That Was Promised" story-line because Arya didn't have a single sign of being the Azor Ahai everyone was waiting for = neither did Bran; who did nothing in the fight against the Night King; and did nothing to win the "Game" for the throne = but somehow fell into it.

So what they have done is completely negate every story arc in GRRM's story to be and mean absolutely nothing to the story at the end.

Bran was built up to be an important part of the fight against the Night King, and he did nothing but act as an immobile bait for him due to some accidental touching during one of his wargs. BUT: he was supposedly important before that touching took place; and still did absolutely nothing to save the world. (other than make Hodor a mute). So what was REALLY the point of him surviving that fall then?

Dani and Jon were supposedly the ones the prophecies were written about = so that storyline was completely murdered and all those Red Priestesses like Melisandre who sought them and found them were all wasted storylines too. Now Dani is dead with nothing to show for it, and Jon is a nothing for the rest of his life. At least during the original "Baby" leak there was some reason for them to die, and still some hope that the prophecy was still being met.

They have negated every single story arc and theme throughout the whole original story; and shattered every established character GRRM gave them!

Jon killing Dani was another complete character flip from the Jon (who wouldn't hurt Ygritte even when she was killing his fellow Knights of the Watch and trying to kill him).

D & D made both Jon and Gray Worm snap into completely different characters. Gray Worm at least has the excuse of them killing Missandei; but = he wasn't the type to slaughter innocents in his rage. No. He would have gone straight for the Mountain and Cersei = but instead D & D wanted the Cleganebowl and Cersei's romantic death.


And I heard Arya gets in a boat and sails away? What the hell is that for the main character? Remember the theme of the Starks throughout the story: The lone wolf falls, but the pack survives. So she becomes the lone wolf now, after the Starks just pulled together and over came everything (per D & D). That was just plain stupid writing! Like they couldn't just leave it alone so we assumed she stayed with Sansa or joined Jon at the wall; they had to make a display of how bad and senseless their writing was.

What they have done now is completely turned off GRRM's fan base to the point that = even if he was able to write the last two books and produce them; it would never be the same magical feel that the original story had. It would be an exercise in comparison to the TV show.

I still haven't watched that last episode, and don't intend to now that I know how bad it was. Glad I waited and caught the internet rage about it before watching. And = as much as I love Star Wars; there is no way I want to see what D & D do to destroy that franchise. I won't watch anything they put their hands to after this unless the real writers are holding their hands through it like GRRM did in the beginning of GoT.


* Rant Not Over, but you understand, lol. *

Posted by: SubRosa May 20 2019, 08:49 PM

So, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theater?


Seriously though, These two Dungeons and Dragons guys made the end of Lost look like a work of art in comparison.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 20 2019, 09:03 PM

Supposedly they are doing a Star Wars thing next...

Posted by: mALX May 20 2019, 10:58 PM

Bold:


** More like Dumb and Dumber, lol. ("Dungeons and Dragons" gives them too much credit).

Posted by: SubRosa May 21 2019, 12:01 AM

Rian Johnson probably hired them to make him look good in comparison to the crap they are likely to spit out.

Posted by: Uleni Athram May 21 2019, 12:17 AM

SPOILER BECAUSE IM TOO LAZY LIKE DND TO WRITE THE WHOLE TAG


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D&D kinda forgot that the **whole** building fell on top of Jaime and Cersei. Around a few feet to the side of where they were killed, there’s like a bigass spot where there’s no debris whatsoever. You can notice it on the scene where Tyrion finds them both.

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit May 21 2019, 03:05 AM

Besides that, a whole [censored] ton of stones and debris fell on them and yet they are right near the top of the rubble pile, lol

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Jun 1 2019, 03:42 PM

https://youtu.be/_V8dOQSFzkM

This video explains the importance of character development in GOT and how they dropped the ball. It was a very good video, and offers terrific insight on the characters. Especially Daenerys.

Posted by: Decrepit Sep 8 2019, 02:13 AM

Spent much of the afternoon until supper, then again until mowing the lawn, watching a recently begun YouTube GoT reaction video series from a total GoT noob. I watched quite of few of these at one time, either in part of in full. But it's been a long time since I last saw one. (If memory serves, I've watched none beyond season six.) Quite enjoyed it, which as of now extends only to season 2, episode 2. Not much point to this post, other than that this is my first ASoIaF exposure in quite a while.

Posted by: Decrepit Oct 18 2019, 03:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZdbpfcxfSk, YouTube video be Shadiversity.

Posted by: Decrepit Nov 2 2019, 05:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFunL1j_LO0

I still haven't watched season 8 and doubt I ever will. Well, maybe after reading the final books, assuming Martin ever gets around to writing them.

Posted by: mALX Nov 2 2019, 09:16 PM

Agree 100%. I still haven't watched the final episode of it; and won't. I really wish I hadn't even watched the entirety of Season 8 at all.

Posted by: mALX Nov 2 2019, 10:35 PM

D & D will no longer be doing Star Wars, thank goodness! I don't care what excuses they give to the public to keep their face; we all know the truth of why they are no longer on the project.

* Two major petitions were sent to Bob Iger and George Lucas by Star Wars fans who vowed they would boycott the movies if D & D were the writers

* Kevin Feige was picked up by Iger to make "A Star Wars Movie" @ one month after the final episode of Game of Thrones aired (even though D & D announced in 2018 that they had been hired by Lucas and Iger to do the next three Star Wars movies)

So = no matter what D & D say; we all know they were forced to resign their positions or be fired. Why else would they have shopped a job with Net Flix when they were supposed to be working on a Star Wars trilogy? (because their Net Flix contract was signed just in the last couple months).

They were fired; I have no doubt about that.


https://screenrant.com/star-wars-game-thrones-movies-cancelled-reason/


https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/the-storm-podcast-game-of-thrones-star-wars-reddit.jpg?quality=98&strip=all


So justice is served. And HBO is trying to start up a new Game Of Thrones Sequel working with GRRM (only this time with Ryan Condal instead of D & D).



http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2019/10/29/hbo-gives-series-order-to-house-of-the-dragon-co-created-by-ryan-condal-and-george-rr-martin-882314/20191029hbo01/


https://deadline.com/2019/10/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-prequel-reaction-house-of-dragon-series-1202773768/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjm21g5HAdQ


Quite obviously; the story will be the background for the Targaryens; the history of their family long before the story of "The Game of Thrones" was supposedly written.

Posted by: Uleni Athram Nov 3 2019, 07:04 AM

@mALX:

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/dqozuw/a_bit_late_but_had_to_be_done/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

The only proper reaction to such a news

*#MiamiMentality #DrugLord #WarMasvidal

Posted by: mALX Nov 3 2019, 10:27 AM

SPEW !!!!

Posted by: TheCheshireKhajiit Nov 8 2019, 03:51 PM

Lol, that guy high af.