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Posted by: SubRosa Jul 31 2016, 04:07 AM
I have been thinking about playing Saya in Skyrim ever since I saw the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65364/ mod, which would allow her to summon Kireteki. I have been fiddling around with Saya today, and think I have her face right. Now I am looking at outfits.
http://i.imgur.com/xdD40iC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SZsljRL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N6lCjak.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iG6UkjT.jpg
The ESO Altmer is my least favorite. It is just too skimpy and thin. Saya is a battlemage. She likes to get up close and crush skulls with her mace. So she like her armor to be armor.
Screen captures do not do the SPOA armor justice. You have to actually see it in the game to appreciate how it shines and reflects your surroundings. This is my second favorite so far.
The Ordinator is my favorite. It is Morrowind-specific, and really works for a Dark Elf. Plus I have never had a character who has used it yet.
The Eisen Platte in black is perfect for her. But I have had so many other characters wear it that I'd rather not go there again.
I have not played Skyrim or looked at the mods for it lately. Are there any interesting new armor mods? Something Dunmer/Morrowind themed would be ideal.
Posted by: mALX Jul 31 2016, 04:26 AM
I have been thinking about playing Saya in Skyrim ever since I saw the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65364/? mod, which would allow her to summon Kireteki. I have been fiddling around with Saya today, and think I have her face right. Now I am looking at outfits.
http://i.imgur.com/xdD40iC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SZsljRL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N6lCjak.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iG6UkjT.jpg
The ESO Altmer is my least favorite. It is just too skimpy and thin. Saya is a battlemage. She likes to get up close and crush skulls with her mace. So she like her armor to be armor.
Screen captures do not do the SPOA armor justice. You have to actually see it in the game to appreciate how it shines and reflects your surroundings. This is my second favorite so far.
The Ordinator is my favorite. It is Morrowind-specific, and really works for a Dark Elf. Plus I have never had a character who has used it yet.
The Eisen Platte in black is perfect for her. But I have had so many other characters wear it that I'd rather not go there again.
I have not played Skyrim or looked at the mods for it lately. Are there any interesting new armor mods? Something Dunmer/Morrowind themed would be ideal.
Oh, that mod looks AWESOME !!!!!!!
Okay, I have to go by just looks here; here is the order I like them in best:
http://i.imgur.com/xdD40iC.jpg
I don't care if she is a warrior or not, that Altmer armor is stunning on her! And this IS Saya, was she not a bit promiscuous? So the Altmer would suit her regardless she is a warrior, she has to sleep sometime! *pun intended*
http://i.imgur.com/iG6UkjT.jpg
Next: There is a reason all your characters have worn the Eisen; because it looks spectacular!
http://i.imgur.com/N6lCjak.jpg
The Ordinator looks great, but her hair kind of gets lost in all that gold; can you tone it down some? Dye it? Retex?
http://i.imgur.com/SZsljRL.jpg
Lastly - yeah this armor is shiny, a bit too shiny maybe? Imho, it doesn't suit her as well as any of the others. And the prim neckline and look of it are NOT suited to Saya's personality, imho.
Posted by: Acadian Jul 31 2016, 02:13 PM
As soon as that Winged Twilight mod came out, I thought of Saya and am so pleased you are thinking of bringing Saya and Kireteki to Skyrim!
I have tried the same modder's summonabe Golden Saints mod and it works well.
Of the four armors you are considering, I think the black plate looks best but, as you say, it is reminiscent of some of your other characters and says Chevalier d'Éon to me. Therefore I find the silver plate to be most compelling of the four. The ordinator armor is very cool as well but I can't get my head around the wider-than-a-door pauldron wings.
That said, I'm afraid I struggle just a bit, as does mALX, thinking of Saya in heavy plate. I know she likes to mace bash up close but perhaps more a combo of steel and magic for defense? What comes to mind is http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75842/. I imagine the quilted jacket to be internally reinforced with enchanted silk fibers - somewhat similar to modern ballistic soft armor. It is a mod that I use and works well. We don't see Buffy in it often because it does have a bit much steel on it for our tastes. As I said though, it might be perfect for Saya?
Posted by: Lopov Jul 31 2016, 05:08 PM
I'd immediately rule out the ESO Altmer armor, not just because it doesn't really fit Saya but I don't like it as a whole.
The black is my second least favorite, there are too many carvings on it (or however are those "decorations" called).
While the Ordinator armor looks great, the Silver Knight Armor is by far my favorite, it just looks perfectly on Saya. I'd go with that one without a second thought.
Posted by: Grits Jul 31 2016, 06:20 PM
I'm on my phone here, sorry if something comes out weird and I can't tell from here.
First, Skyrim Saya looks fabulous! Her hair and face are perfect!
I love that SPOA armor for a battlemage. It looks stunning in game, and Saya is someone who would wear that mirror finish for maximum flash with her spells. The Ordinator one also looks nicely ornate and Morrowind-ish, but a bit bulky at the shoulders. That would be my close second choice.
The black armor is gorgeous, but it makes me think too much of other characters. I don't think Saya would put up with that. 
I couldn't load the mod page on my phone, but if Kireteki has a specific color-look that favors one of the armors, to me that would weight heavily in its favor. I think Saya would think about how she and Kireteki look together.
Neat, I'm looking forward to hearing about her adventures!
Posted by: SubRosa Jul 31 2016, 08:23 PM
Thanks for the link to that armor mod Acadian. That is one of the things I was hoping for from people. There are thousands of armor mods on the Nexus. Looking through them all is Herculean task. But sad to say, that one is too... flimsy looking for Saya. She has always liked her armor to be substantial. Back in Oblivion she started out wearing Iron Armor, added some pieces of Dwarven, and finally settled upon the RD Ayleid armor (which is just elven armor with a darker color scheme). So she should have something that looks solid and durable.
I agree with you mALX that the Ordinator has a lot of gold color in it. It is a very bright and warm color for Saya. Blues, purples, and silver work better for her IMHO. The blue cloth parts go well with her skin though, and that is one of things that really draws me to it. Plus the simple fact of it being Dark Elf specific gear. Your idea of retexturing it sounds ideal. I took a brief look at the texture files, and I think it is doable. I just have to think of what color to change the gold to. Maybe black or grey, or dark blue?
I really like the SPOA armor too, but I don't like the bits that hang down between her legs in front and back. I don't know why, but something about that just makes the whole suit look clunky. So I am holding off on it. I do love the mirror finish it has though. I just wish it was a little more streamlined in shape.
I experimented with the vanilla armors and weapons, and the ebony looked decent on her. But I don't think I'll go that route so didn't take a picture.
http://i.imgur.com/Y9AxAHQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tiL2pAw.jpg But again, it is a lot of gold.
http://i.imgur.com/iurnvoh.jpg. Grit's idea of trying to fit Saya's armor to fit how they look together really resonates in my mind when I look at it. It makes me think a darker armor would be more appropriate. I also think some kind of armor is going to be necessary for Kireteki. But not something that covers the whole body. Just something that looks better than the underwear. Maybe one of those fetish outfit mods that are so popular?
http://i.imgur.com/UEmhPBg.jpg. This has the kind of elegance that Saya demands, and the black and purple are definitely her colors.
Posted by: Lopov Jul 31 2016, 09:17 PM
I don't think she looks good in Daedric Armor but that's because I think that Daedric Armor doesn't fit anyone.
As I said earlier, she looks good in the Ordinator armor, it even goes well with her hair but standing together with Kireteki something darker would indeed be more appropriate.
Her town clothes are superb.
Posted by: mALX Jul 31 2016, 10:01 PM
Wow, that Daedric looks Awesome on her! Surprisingly too: it seems to fit Saya's personality. She seems to like to stand out in a crowd; draw the eye. I picture her wanting to have armor that is functional (of course) - but unique. Not something someone could see just anywhere daily. And the color of the armor shouldn't make her disappear, her Dark Elf skin has to be taken into consideration because otherwise she can become bright hair in an armor - don't want to lose that face by choosing the wrong color armor for her.
So you kind of (imho) have to take into account:
a. What looks good on her style-wise and color
b. What is functional
c. What suits her personality
d. What complements her companion if they will be together a lot.
By the way, Awesome choice on that Twilight; she ROCKS !!!
Also, the robe - I am drooling, that is spectacular !!!!!
Posted by: Acadian Jul 31 2016, 10:03 PM
I see what you mean about the steel loincloth on the shiny silver armor. Perhaps ebony is a good choice, as it is both dark and sleek. So much of the vanilla heavy armor incorporates bits of fur or hide and that just doesn't seem to fit with Saya. Dwarven could have possibilities I suppose - except for the 40 pound Herman Munster boots!
Posted by: mALX Jul 31 2016, 10:06 PM
I see what you mean about the steel loincloth on the shiny silver armor. Perhaps ebony is a good choice, as it is both dark and sleek. So much of the vanilla heavy armor incorporates bits of fur or hide and that just doesn't seem to fit with Saya. Dwarven could have possibilities I suppose - except for the 40 pound Herman Munster boots!
It looks like a shiny steel athletic cup; call it like you see it! BWAAHAA !!!
I didn't like that or the prim neckline on it = not for Saya, no way. There is nothing prim in her personality; she is wild and free.
Posted by: SubRosa Jul 31 2016, 10:32 PM
I spent the last few hours working on retexturing the Ordinator armor.
http://i.imgur.com/lHEarl0.jpg. I left just enough of the original color in there that it still has a dark bronze look, rather than being purely black. I think I am going to work some on the steel plates around the waist, and try to change them from steel grey to the same black gold look as the rest of the armor plates.
Posted by: mALX Aug 1 2016, 12:12 AM
I spent the last few hours working on retexturing the Ordinator armor.
http://i.imgur.com/lHEarl0.jpg. I left just enough of the original color in there that it still has a dark bronze look, rather than being purely black. I think I am going to work some on the steel plates around the waist, and try to change them from steel grey to the same black gold look as the rest of the armor plates.
Now you're talking! That is AWESOME !!!!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 1 2016, 12:35 AM
http://i.imgur.com/6bh5oLu.jpg There is plenty of blue/purple to complement Kireteki and Saya's own natural skin colors, along with enough of the dark bronze to still remind us of the armor's Morrowind heritage.
Now I am looking at weapons and shield again. I am going to try retexturing the Bonemold and Dragonplate Shields, to see if I can make them match the dark bronze of the armor. I might take another look at shield mods up on the Nexus as well.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 1 2016, 12:40 AM
Wow, they're going to be an intimidating and fashionable pair! 
Posted by: mALX Aug 1 2016, 01:36 AM
http://i.imgur.com/6bh5oLu.jpg There is plenty of blue/purple to complement Kireteki and Saya's own natural skin colors, along with enough of the dark bronze to still remind us of the armor's Morrowind heritage.
Now I am looking at weapons and shield again. I am going to try retexturing the Bonemold and Dragonplate Shields, to see if I can make them match the dark bronze of the armor. I might take another look at shield mods up on the Nexus as well.
Gorgeous! Just Gorgeous !!! You did an awesome job on this!
Posted by: Acadian Aug 1 2016, 05:47 PM
Regarding shields, I just saw what looks like a new and potentially nice shield mod on Nexus called http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/77519/
Looks like they mostly use the mesh of the steel shield but several of the retextures look pretty good. Perhaps the ebony ones might suit Saya? If not, your idea of retexing a bonemold shield might be a good solution.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 1 2016, 06:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/6bh5oLu.jpg There is plenty of blue/purple to complement Kireteki and Saya's own natural skin colors, along with enough of the dark bronze to still remind us of the armor's Morrowind heritage.
Now I am looking at weapons and shield again. I am going to try retexturing the Bonemold and Dragonplate Shields, to see if I can make them match the dark bronze of the armor. I might take another look at shield mods up on the Nexus as well.
I'd try and outline the pauldrons to match the shin parts. It needs just a little more detail, but not enough to distract.
Sword and Shield could be a different style, if they match each other. I could see her using regular glass with that outfit, and swapping them out together for some other combo, such as DragonPlate/Bone.
Posted by: Lopov Aug 1 2016, 06:20 PM
I like the final result, her bright hair is a nice contrast to the armor, at the same time her armor fits well with Kireteki's appearance.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 1 2016, 11:00 PM
Great idea with Skyforged Shields Acadian! I have the older version of the mod, so I just ignored when I was looking the last few days. But after following your link I see it is a new version of the mod, with all new designs.
http://i.imgur.com/xZ1UQVN.jpg
Right now that is definitely the front-runner. I am going to still look some more, but I doubt anything will top that. I might not even bother trying to recolor the Bonemold and Dragonplate shields now that I have seen it.
I did already download http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2361, which has http://i.imgur.com/49VD47s.jpg. The colors are perfect. But it looks too flimsy after seeing the Skyforged Shield.
I still have to look for a mace as well. The Elven and Ebony maces seem to work ok, so if worse comes to worse I can fall back on them. But I modded one that is new to me would be nicer. I tried Sauron's Mace from a http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/5727, but it was too big. So I will keep looking for that too.
Posted by: mALX Aug 2 2016, 12:19 AM
Great idea with Skyforged Shields Acadian! I have the older version of the mod, so I just ignored when I was looking the last few days. But after following your link I see it is a new version of the mod, with all new designs.
http://i.imgur.com/xZ1UQVN.jpg
Right now that is definitely the front-runner. I am going to still look some more, but I doubt anything will top that. I might not even bother trying to recolor the Bonemold and Dragonplate shields now that I have seen it.
I did already download http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2361, which has http://i.imgur.com/49VD47s.jpg. The colors are perfect. But it looks too flimsy after seeing the Skyforged Shield.
I still have to look for a mace as well. The Elven and Ebony maces seem to work ok, so if worse comes to worse I can fall back on them. But I modded one that is new to me would be nicer. I tried Sauron's Mace from a http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/5727, but it was too big. So I will keep looking for that too.
That Skyforged Shield even matches her pauldrons! Oh, that Angmar Shield would be just perfect color wise; but I have to agree - would not "feel" like strong enough defense. Too bad, the color looks Awesome with her skin!
I can't get the Weapons pack link to open up, Nexus may be down.
Really love this armor you made; and it is unique!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 2 2016, 01:16 AM
It looks like we have a winner for http://i.imgur.com/sCOGzIO.jpg. It is from http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27365, which adds a mace and a two handed warhammer. The mace looks perfect with Saya's other gear.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 2 2016, 01:25 AM
Looks great! All she needs to do now is figure out how to get a rose petal and chain bikini for Kireteki.
Posted by: mALX Aug 2 2016, 01:49 AM
It looks like we have a winner for http://i.imgur.com/sCOGzIO.jpg. It is from http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27365, which adds a mace and a two handed warhammer. The mace looks perfect with Saya's other gear.
It does match everything so perfectly; even the shield! Awesome choice!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 2 2016, 01:49 AM
I have been trying to figure that out since yesterday! But for some reason when I add armor to Kireteki, it just disappears. The Winged Twilights mod has several different parts. One has the summoning spell, and the other the playable race. I downloaded the race part, and I am hoping that by looking at it and comparing it to the summoning I can figure out what is going on. I am thinking it might be the Skin setting. I might just want to leave that blank.
http://i.imgur.com/bxLIIjh.jpg. They seem to collect shadows like a master ninja. They still look a little darker than the rest of the armor, even though in actuality they are about twice as light in the texture file itself.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 2 2016, 02:11 AM
If she's a unique race, then the ArmorAddon and Armor need to have that race added in AdditionalRaces before she can wear it. There are some instances where just making something wearable by DefaultRace works, but I haven't been able to figure out the rules.
In principle, you cold create a version of an armor with wing holes for her, and make that the model that only a Winged Twilight wears, by tagging the ArmorAddon only for her race, and selecting that model for the race in the Armor form. That's what is done for the helms that are shaped differently for Khajiit and Argonians.
It's also the way that the child clothing is differentiated from the adult, as they're separate races.
Posted by: mALX Aug 2 2016, 02:18 AM
I have been trying to figure that out since yesterday! But for some reason when I add armor to Kireteki, it just disappears. The Winged Twilights mod has several different parts. One has the summoning spell, and the other the playable race. I downloaded the race part, and I am hoping that by looking at it and comparing it to the summoning I can figure out what is going on. I am thinking it might be the Skin setting. I might just want to leave that blank.
http://i.imgur.com/bxLIIjh.jpg. They seem to collect shadows like a master ninja. They still look a little darker than the rest of the armor, even though in actuality they are about twice as light in the texture file itself.
It looks great with the lightening! If you have a cloth texture, you could try replacing the texture of the neck piece with actual cloth textures of the color you want; that may help keep it from absorbing the dark. But it looks awesome already.
On the Twilight - the mod is showing a bunch of them clothed in the images. Does it mention it in a read me? Does she have a second ESP for clothed? Because in the posts I saw one man mention that he was glad she included a clothed version.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 2 2016, 11:12 PM
If she's a unique race, then the ArmorAddon and Armor need to have that race added in AdditionalRaces before she can wear it. There are some instances where just making something wearable by DefaultRace works, but I haven't been able to figure out the rules.
In principle, you cold create a version of an armor with wing holes for her, and make that the model that only a Winged Twilight wears, by tagging the ArmorAddon only for her race, and selecting that model for the race in the Armor form. That's what is done for the helms that are shaped differently for Khajiit and Argonians.
It's also the way that the child clothing is differentiated from the adult, as they're separate races.
That's Right! I think I recall I ran into the same problem back when I created Persephone's Deadwalker race. I believe I had to set the Armor Morph to Default Race.
But the weird thing is that I checked the armor addon I was trying to use - for the Deadric Cuirass - and it is set to use both Default Race and the Winged Twilight race already. So I am scratching my head. Unless there is something about making a creature summonable that renders them unable to wear armor?
I have been trying to figure that out since yesterday! But for some reason when I add armor to Kireteki, it just disappears. The Winged Twilights mod has several different parts. One has the summoning spell, and the other the playable race. I downloaded the race part, and I am hoping that by looking at it and comparing it to the summoning I can figure out what is going on. I am thinking it might be the Skin setting. I might just want to leave that blank.
http://i.imgur.com/bxLIIjh.jpg. They seem to collect shadows like a master ninja. They still look a little darker than the rest of the armor, even though in actuality they are about twice as light in the texture file itself.
It looks great with the lightening! If you have a cloth texture, you could try replacing the texture of the neck piece with actual cloth textures of the color you want; that may help keep it from absorbing the dark. But it looks awesome already.
On the Twilight - the mod is showing a bunch of them clothed in the images. Does it mention it in a read me? Does she have a second ESP for clothed? Because in the posts I saw one man mention that he was glad she included a clothed version.
I did download the Playable Race module and install it. I can create a Winged Twilight PC and they can wear armor normally. So what I am thinking is that I will just delete the Summoning .esp file, and do everything with the Playable Race .esp. I'll use the Winged Twilight race from it, copy one of the presets, and make a summoning spell for it. That ought to do the trick.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 2 2016, 11:34 PM
But the weird thing is that I checked the armor addon I was trying to use - for the Deadric Cuirass - and it is set to use both Default Race and the Winged Twilight race already. So I am scratching my head. Unless there is something about making a creature summonable that renders them unable to wear armor?
The race is all that's needed. Make sure the Armor agrees with the ArmorAddon, though. Go to the armor form, set the race to WT and confirm that there's an armor addon showing. Just being eligible to be an armor, doesn't make it one.
Posted by: mALX Aug 2 2016, 11:37 PM
I did download the Playable Race module and install it. I can create a Winged Twilight PC and they can wear armor normally. So what I am thinking is that I will just delete the Summoning .esp file, and do everything with the Playable Race .esp. I'll use the Winged Twilight race from it, copy one of the presets, and make a summoning spell for it. That ought to do the trick.
Oh wow, I wouldn't have known that was possible! I was thinking you may need to play the Twilight and have Saya the follower, lol.
Does the Twilight have to be that 60 second summon? I mean, can't she be like a normal creature follower that stays permanently; or maybe summoned by a ring and she remains permanently by your side till you remove the ring? (that was how I did my "Alix the Mouse mod, put the ring on and he would appear with a conjure sound; but he never went away unless you removed the ring)
Posted by: mALX Aug 2 2016, 11:53 PM
But the weird thing is that I checked the armor addon I was trying to use - for the Deadric Cuirass - and it is set to use both Default Race and the Winged Twilight race already. So I am scratching my head. Unless there is something about making a creature summonable that renders them unable to wear armor?
The race is all that's needed. Make sure the Armor agrees with the ArmorAddon, though. Go to the armor form, set the race to WT and confirm that there's an armor addon showing. Just being eligible to be an armor, doesn't make it one.
Ooh, I am learning something here !!!!!!!! Thanks, Ghastley!!!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 2 2016, 11:56 PM
I got it. I had to set the armor to her Default Armor type, rather than just put it in her inventory. I would post a picture, but Imgur does not feel like working right now.
Posted by: mALX Aug 3 2016, 12:14 AM
I got it. I had to set the armor to her Default Armor type, rather than just put it in her inventory. I would post a picture, but Imgur does not feel like working right now.
WOO HOO !!!!
Posted by: ghastley Aug 3 2016, 01:27 AM
Do you mean make it her outfit? If you do that, she'll revert to that when she resets for any reason.
If you put something in her inventory, it's available to be selected when she needs it. e.g. she'll put on armour next time she goes through a load door, or starts combat. If the player gives her an item, she'll re-evaluate each slot, too.
Still the main thing is that it's valid for her, and she can wear it.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 3 2016, 01:54 AM
And now Imgur works again, so I can http://i.imgur.com/Hu2SPSC.jpg. At least so far. That is just the first mod I saw that I thought might work. I'll probably want to look at others before I make a final choice.
Do you mean make it her outfit? If you do that, she'll revert to that when she resets for any reason.
If you put something in her inventory, it's available to be selected when she needs it. e.g. she'll put on armour next time she goes through a load door, or starts combat. If the player gives her an item, she'll re-evaluate each slot, too.
Still the main thing is that it's valid for her, and she can wear it.
I think for some reason her skin was defaulting as her 'outfit', and that is why she was not equipping the armor in her inventory. So I think by setting the armor as her outfit, it is overriding that. The rest does not matter, since I won't be giving her any other items like a companion. She's a summoning, so she'll only be around for a minute or so at a time anyway.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 3 2016, 02:29 AM
That Daedric-kini you gave Kireteki looks perfect for her - very Moonshadow exotic!
Posted by: mALX Aug 3 2016, 03:35 AM
And now Imgur works again, so I can http://i.imgur.com/Hu2SPSC.jpg. At least so far. That is just the first mod I saw that I thought might work. I'll probably want to look at others before I make a final choice.
Do you mean make it her outfit? If you do that, she'll revert to that when she resets for any reason.
If you put something in her inventory, it's available to be selected when she needs it. e.g. she'll put on armour next time she goes through a load door, or starts combat. If the player gives her an item, she'll re-evaluate each slot, too.
Still the main thing is that it's valid for her, and she can wear it.
I think for some reason her skin was defaulting as her 'outfit', and that is why she was not equipping the armor in her inventory. So I think by setting the armor as her outfit, it is overriding that. The rest does not matter, since I won't be giving her any other items like a companion. She's a summoning, so she'll only be around for a minute or so at a time anyway.
Oh, that looks great on her! I'm really glad you left a good amount of her skin still exposed, it suits her well!
Posted by: Grits Aug 3 2016, 04:50 PM
I absolutely love Saya’s town wear. She is the kind of sexy that withstands being covered from chin to toe.
Kireteki looks awesome in her armor, very exotic. I love how it complements Saya’s armor in color and style but also provides some contrast with how much skin she shows. Saya’s armor is gorgeous! You have made a fabulous look for her!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 6 2016, 02:16 AM
http://i.imgur.com/rg5CTH3.jpg. I am not sure if I want to look for more. So I will probably decide between this and the http://i.imgur.com/Hu2SPSC.jpg.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 6 2016, 03:34 AM
Both are good choices. I love the upper part of the witch armor but the netherbits skull. . . not so much. I love the loincloth on the Daedric armor but the excessive pauldrons. . . not so much. Honestly though, that is overly picky. Again either is good. On balance, I think I prefer the Daedric.
I'm still so tickled that you're bringing Saya and Kireteki to Skyrim! 
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 6 2016, 05:05 PM
I don't like the netherbits skull much either. Or the hanging leather crotch on the Daedric version either. So I am still on the fence.
Posted by: mALX Aug 6 2016, 05:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rg5CTH3.jpg. I am not sure if I want to look for more. So I will probably decide between this and the http://i.imgur.com/Hu2SPSC.jpg.
No girl should have just one outfit; even female Twilight! One could be her day look, the other night? One could be combat, the other casual or "Party Time?"
I like them both! The Daedric goes well with Saya's armor; the other matches Saya's skin coloring. Either way, she is going to ROCK as Saya's complement.
I don't like the netherbits skull much either. Or the hanging leather crotch on the Daedric version either. So I am still on the fence.
I'd keep the Witches, and change the texture on the skull then. Her coloring shows through much more in this outfit; and she can't wear armor all the time.
Technically, I prefer that small patch-cover to the long leather hanging crotch. But if it is just the skull texture you aren't liking; change that texture out for one you do like.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 6 2016, 07:22 PM
It doesn't look as if it would be hard to remove the skull from the Witch Elf, and use a modified copy of the rear piece in its place. Let me know if that's of interest.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 6 2016, 07:31 PM
Removing the skull and replacing it with the same kind metal plates as the rest of the armor is definitely what I would prefer. But I don't think it is necessary anymore.
http://i.imgur.com/FqSaWyZ.jpg
I would prefer it without the boots to show off the spots on her legs, but it http://i.imgur.com/N5pf8Ny.jpg.
I had to take the pics in Riverwood, because the armor looked green in my testing cell. It must be something in my lighting...
Posted by: Acadian Aug 6 2016, 07:39 PM
Oh, that looks nice indeed! I see what you mean about the boots & greaves. I actually think the little greaves look okay without the boots - and the boots certainly are a bit clunky for the overall fairly delicate look.
You didn't lose her wings, did you?
Posted by: ghastley Aug 6 2016, 07:55 PM
Here's an idea what it might look like. http://ghastley.org/Skyrim/images/Witchelf.png was just done crudely in NifSkope, duplicating the piece and re-positioning it. If doing it for real, it would need re-weighting as well. I could also chop up the armors into multiple body slots, so you could mix and match with the Black Silverlight. I'm thinking that the top half of the Witch Elf would go well with just the bottom half of the Silverlight body (with no leg parts).
The cross in the witch elf one could become a T at the front, while I'm at it.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 6 2016, 08:11 PM
Oh, that looks nice indeed! I see what you mean about the boots & greaves. I actually think the little greaves look okay without the boots - and the boots certainly are a bit clunky for the overall fairly delicate look.
You didn't lose her wings, did you?
Whoa, what happened to them? I did not even notice. I wonder if the Silverlight cuirass is using the same body slot as the wings? I just tried it again, http://i.imgur.com/0TyC7NI.jpg. I don't know what happened there.
Here's an idea what it might look like. http://ghastley.org/Skyrim/images/Witchelf.png was just done crudely in NifSkope, duplicating the piece and re-positioning it. If doing it for real, it would need re-weighting as well. I could also chop up the armors into multiple body slots, so you could mix and match with the Black Silverlight. I'm thinking that the top half of the Witch Elf would go well with just the bottom half of the Silverlight body (with no leg parts).
The cross in the witch elf one could become a T at the front, while I'm at it.
Wow, that looks fantastic just like that! But the crotch area might indeed look better as a T shape than a cross. It is definitely better than the Silverlight. If you would make just a single .nif file of that, I'd be very grateful.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 6 2016, 09:51 PM
http://ghastley.org/Skyrim/download/WitchElf.7z - there are both _0 and _1 copies, as I don't know what weight you're using. Just overwrite the existing ones. I assume it's easy enough to re-install if I broke it.
I haven't tested it myself. You should be able to do that quicker than I can, as I'd need to install the Twilight as well.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 6 2016, 10:52 PM
http://ghastley.org/Skyrim/download/WitchElf.7z - there are both _0 and _1 copies, as I don't know what weight you're using. Just overwrite the existing ones. I assume it's easy enough to re-install if I broke it.
I haven't tested it myself. You should be able to do that quicker than I can, as I'd need to install the Twilight as well.
http://i.imgur.com/n9TjOQS.jpg. It has a similar effect on Saya, who is a vanilla Dark Elf. The parts just don't stretch out so far on her is all.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 7 2016, 12:15 AM
Try the link again. I just fixed a sequence error in the _0 nif. The pieces have to be in the same order, or the weight slider tries to morph one piece into a different one, and that happens.
Edit: Just found another issue with the loincloth. Hold off for now. Should be good now. Worked on Illia.
I discovered that loading part of the mesh into Blender and just re-exporting was changing the triangle count! So I did the same with the other copy and got the same number back out. That seems to have fixed it.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 7 2016, 01:57 AM
Try the link again. I just fixed a sequence error in the _0 nif. The pieces have to be in the same order, or the weight slider tries to morph one piece into a different one, and that happens.
Edit: Just found another issue with the loincloth.
I discovered that loading part of the mesh into Blender and just re-exporting was changing the triangle count! So I did the same with the other copy and got the same number back out. That seems to have fixed it.
http://i.imgur.com/dykeM6X.jpg Thank you so much, I am definitely going to use this with Kireteki.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 7 2016, 02:05 AM
By Azura! I agree - the best of all worlds and it looks fabulous. Great taste, SubRosa! Ghastley, once again your talent with the CK shines through!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 7 2016, 03:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/4c0iVhl.jpg
I also spent much of today integrating the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/15329 into my existing Silverlight Armor mod, so the black and red is a standalone alongside the original silver. I even took the mail from the original silver version and created a black and red mailed version.
http://i.imgur.com/fLmdGZc.jpg. I have always loved that armor, but it feels just too exotic for Skyrim. http://i.imgur.com/cdtTf0k.jpg.
I'll be sticking with the Ordinator Armor for Saya though. Now I will have to start looking at stats for her armor and mace. I also need to look at the same for Kireteki. I gave her a Daedric Sword for the moment, but I might just want to let her use her claws. I also want her to have some spells, so she can shoot Saya in the back.
I also need to decide whether I want her to level up with Saya. That would allow me to use just one spell to summon her for the entire game. Or I could go the standard route and make two versions of Kireteki, a regular one and a Potent one unlocked by the Elemental Potency perk. Which leads me to another question. Do I want Saya to start being able to summon Kireteki? Or should she start with the standard Flame/Frost/Storm Astronauts first?
Posted by: ghastley Aug 7 2016, 03:25 AM
I'd let her summon Kireteki right away, but level her. That avoids the situation where the atronach might be a better choice because of resistances etc. If Saya has a regular summon, she won't get into a habit of using the others.
Posted by: mALX Aug 7 2016, 08:43 AM
Removing the skull and replacing it with the same kind metal plates as the rest of the armor is definitely what I would prefer. But I don't think it is necessary anymore.
http://i.imgur.com/FqSaWyZ.jpg
I would prefer it without the boots to show off the spots on her legs, but it http://i.imgur.com/N5pf8Ny.jpg.
I had to take the pics in Riverwood, because the armor looked green in my testing cell. It must be something in my lighting...
I'm not excited about this armor; prefer the Witch one to this.
Try the link again. I just fixed a sequence error in the _0 nif. The pieces have to be in the same order, or the weight slider tries to morph one piece into a different one, and that happens.
Edit: Just found another issue with the loincloth.
I discovered that loading part of the mesh into Blender and just re-exporting was changing the triangle count! So I did the same with the other copy and got the same number back out. That seems to have fixed it.
http://i.imgur.com/dykeM6X.jpg Thank you so much, I am definitely going to use this with Kireteki.
MUCH better !!! But can you color the jewel in her tiara to the same color as her loincloth?
http://i.imgur.com/4c0iVhl.jpg
This looks AWESOME !!!! Perfect !!!!
The second picture of them together in red that you linked just didn't do it for me at all.
The third picture in Oblivion looked great !!!
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 7 2016, 09:21 PM
I spent the afternoon tweaking the Winged Twilight mod more. I did make Kireteki level with the player, with a minimum level of 8 and a max of 80 (I have never had a character get that high). I gave her the starting shock, healing, and a mid-level vampire drain. I also created a Potent Twilight Race, with higher stats, and used that to create a Potent Kireteki that is summoned with the Elemental Potency perk. She also has higher level versions of the same spells. I decided not to go with weapons, but instead increased the Twilight race's unarmed damage.
I also did some final tweaks on Saya - adding modded spells like night eye, open locks, etc... I also worked a bit on her face, since her cheeks looked a little hollow to me. While I was at it, I decided to visit the hair salon...
http://i.imgur.com/t442t7c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M6zOe8a.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YHDROKD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N94fkjn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RoWEuEw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QGtOIy5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WNYky1D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3YGD0Mi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3X4bBCX.jpg
Now I just need to decided where to start her out. Saya was last seen in Cyrodiil. But that was back in the 3rd Era. Her Ordinator armor points to a visit to Morrowind. So she might start at the Morrowind-Skyrim border, either on the road east of Windhelm, or the one east of Riften. I am toying with starting her on Solstheim. But I think the monsters there are scaled up higher than normal, which would make it a bad place for a 1st level character.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 7 2016, 09:44 PM
What a fun day Saya must have had at the hairstylist! I'm glad you settled back with 'her' style - I think it really does suit her.
Since your focus here was on hair, it really struck me that the golden blonde seems a bit. . . warm for Saya (both her nature and other coloring). Cooling it to more of a platinum or even white might suit her well? In fact, was not her original hair color from TF days white?
Edit: Oh - starting location. All three of the options you mentioned are good. I think I'd pick the road to Windhelm. As you say, it clearly comes from Morrowind. It also boasts the following that I think would suit well:
- A harsh inhospitable climate.
- A harsh inhospitable city (to Dunmer).
- Proximity to the College of Winterhold.
Posted by: SubRosa Aug 7 2016, 10:38 PM
Since your focus here was on hair, it really struck me that the golden blonde seems a bit. . . warm for Saya (both her nature and other coloring). Cooling it to more of a platinum or even white might suit her well? In fact, was not her original hair color from TF days white?
She actually started out black when I http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/oblivion/Oblivion165.jpg in Oblivion. But when http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/oblivion/Oblivion206.jpg.
Unfortunately some of those hairstyles just won't do white. The blond/auburn color is literally the closest they will come.
Posted by: Acadian Aug 8 2016, 12:04 AM
Oh, I know what you mean. Well, we'll just rely on the gold highlights in her beautiful armor to tie things together and it will work wonderfully! 
Posted by: mALX Aug 8 2016, 11:25 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3X4bBCX.jpg
Now I just need to decided where to start her out. Saya was last seen in Cyrodiil. But that was back in the 3rd Era. Her Ordinator armor points to a visit to Morrowind. So she might start at the Morrowind-Skyrim border, either on the road east of Windhelm, or the one east of Riften. I am toying with starting her on Solstheim. But I think the monsters there are scaled up higher than normal, which would make it a bad place for a 1st level character.
This is my favorite hair - the one she had before the wig-athon, lol. I'd have to see something a lot better than this to switch my opinion; and none of the other wigs quite made it; though the one sided one you liked came close (and I technically liked the tribal one too, but maybe not on Saya, lol)
I didn't realize Solstheim was so tough! I did go ahead and buy the DLC, but haven't actually played it yet.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 8 2016, 02:21 PM
The side-part one does follow on from her Oblivion style, better than all the others.
I'm personally biased towards styles that reveal an elf's ears, as they're one of the significant differences with the man races, so don't ask me.
A Solstheim start needs a level 20 character, so I'd save that to later. Also the cultists may still appear on the mainland, and if they're too high-level, nobody will survive.
Posted by: Grits Aug 8 2016, 08:10 PM
Oh wow, Saya and Kireteki just keep looking better and better! Kireteki’s ghastley-modified armor looks perfect on her!
Valdi-Saya, lol. I’m guessing that Saya did NOT vote for that hairstyle!
I love the almost-permanent one, but I still think her bob is best. It reminds me so much of her Oblivion look.
Here’s another vote for starting her on the road near Windhelm, where she would have come through the Dunmeth Pass. I think it would be great to explore Solstheim with her at a higher level, though. Perhaps she will have some personal reason to go there.
Posted by: ghastley Aug 8 2016, 08:50 PM
Although I only tweaked the mesh, I did think about dulling down the bright design on the armour. It's almost white, rather than silvery, and could probably use reducing to a mid-grey, putting the shine back in the specular instead.
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