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post Jun 7 2020, 08:14 PM
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That's a good day's work and a hard fought milestone. Is that a repeating random quest or a one time affair? As soon as you said loup I thought I've done this one. It had a great ending, I thought


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post Jun 7 2020, 11:24 PM
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That's a good day's work and a hard fought milestone. Is that a repeating random quest or a one time affair? As soon as you said loup I thought I've done this one. It had a great ending, I thought.

I'm almost positive it's a standard repeating random quest, though if so I don't believe he's done it in quite some time. He's certainly done his share of assignments where the target mob wasn't what it was supposed to be.


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post Jun 8 2020, 03:45 PM
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Discovered earlier this morning that I was using an outdated version of the DFU mod 'Taverns Redone'. The 'new' version (now several months old) is an impressive update, if the several Daggerfall City taverns my avatar visited are representative. Pretty much every inn room contained appropriate 'clutter'. Here's one such room:

(image) Daggerfall Unity mod: Taverns Redone - Daggerfall City Tavern Room (image)

This newer version also corrects a Tavern male NPC naming glitch.


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post Sep 16 2020, 02:14 AM
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I observed my DFU avatar perform a mission for Daggerfall City's Knights of the Dragon chapter. He was tasked to kill a 'dragon' hold up within a labyrinthine dungeon. It took a decent amount of time to find and dispose of the beast, not that that bothers either of us. Besides, he accumulated a decent horde of Daedric weaponry during the search. As is his norm, he again elected to return to the dungeon entrance/exit via map and instinct rather than teleport to his anchor location. Took no time at all.

Back in Daggerfall City, he trained Destruction at the Temple of Kynareth, turned in the quest, sold spoils, banked, and bought more oil for his lamp. I left him inside Daggerfall City Mages Guild, about to accept another assignment.


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post Sep 17 2020, 01:07 PM
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So there are dragons in Daggerfall. Interesting. That former assignment to find and pwn Loup had quite a twist at the end. Wow, a caged grizzly.

What does DFU stand for?
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post Sep 17 2020, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 17 2020, 08:07 AM) *

So there are dragons in Daggerfall. Interesting. That former assignment to find and pwn Loup had quite a twist at the end. Wow, a caged grizzly.

What does DFU stand for?


Actually, there are no dragons. He's putting quotes around the word since it is not really a dragon he hunts. There are files for creatures called dragonlings, but they don't appear in-game IIRC.

Also, DFU stands for Daggerfall Unity, since this project is made through the Unity engine.


@Decrepit: With your updates, I don't think I can resist replaying Daggerfall any longer. I found the download page for it. I assume I just use the one at the top that is supposed to be compatible with the most systems?


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post Sep 17 2020, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Sep 17 2020, 07:13 AM) *

QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 17 2020, 08:07 AM) *

So there are dragons in Daggerfall. Interesting. That former assignment to find and pwn Loup had quite a twist at the end. Wow, a caged grizzly.

What does DFU stand for?


Actually, there are no dragons. He's putting quotes around the word since it is not really a dragon he hunts. There are files for creatures called dragonlings, but they don't appear in-game IIRC.

Also, DFU stands for Daggerfall Unity, since this project is made through the Unity engine.


@Decrepit: With your updates, I don't think I can resist replaying Daggerfall any longer. I found the download page for it. I assume I just use the one at the top that is supposed to be compatible with the most systems?

There are indeed Dragonlings in Daggerfall. My avatar encounters them periodically, most recently during last night's play session.

You need both a 'basic' Daggerfall install, then Daggerfall Unity, which feeds off it. My recommendation for the 'basic' install remains DaggerfallSetup.exe, with its optional fixes enabled during install. As to Unity, I assume you found its Workshop? If so, simply pick the more current download. I need to update my Unity. It's still a Nov 2019 build. Rock soild. Not a single fall-through-the-world or game crash in all this time. (As with all TES titles, one must be careful to properly install and 'prioritize' mods.) Still, more recent builds have ironed out kinks with various features.

As to my DFU avatar, I watched him complete four more assignments yesterday evening: Mages Guild (open a stuck box for a local citizen), Temple of Kyrenath (rescue priest from dungeon), Fighters Guild (dispose of Harpies within dungeon), Civilian (deliver package). This morning saw him hunt down and dispose of a traitor for Knights of the Dragon. An odd dungeon in that it contained surprisingly few adversaries. In all cases involving dungeons, upon completing his mission he walked to the exit/entrance rather than teleport. (He 'always' sets an anchor 'just in case'. Once in a great while teleporting proves the saner choice.)

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post Sep 18 2020, 12:54 AM
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Today I watched my avatar scour a dungeon on assignment from the Daggerfall City Mages Guild. His task, find and dispose of a traitor. (He's dealt with several guild traitors lately.) It proved quite arduous. The dungeon was large and packed with and hard to navigate corridors. Luck was against him. The traitor was found in the dungeon's very last unexplored room. The maze was so bewildering that for once my avatar broke tradition and teleported to its exit/entrance.

Outside the dungeon, he depleted his magicka pool practicing Thaumaturgy, then returned to Daggerfall city. There, be bought a Destruction training session, reported quest completion, visited his DFC home to store rare armor/weapon finds, identified several looted magic items, sold non-collectable spoils, banked, and is now about to request assignment from Daggerfall City's Temple of Kynerath.


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post Sep 18 2020, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Sep 17 2020, 08:13 AM) *

@Decrepit: With your updates, I don't think I can resist replaying Daggerfall any longer.


I should one of these days, too. It's little things which put me off from that game, such as, the need to rely on fast-travel to finish timed quests. I can also remember my character (a couple years ago) joined some temple. I think it was Kynareth. So great. He is part of a faction, sweet! It had been awhile since he had been in civilization, so first thing he tried to do was get some rest in the temple or hall or whatever. And No! That was not allowed. mad.gif I forget exactly what happened but there was some adverse pop-up message saying he had been arrested, or ousted from the guild/temple. I'm not remembering exactly but it was one of those RP moments which made no senses to me. indifferent.gif

I know DF is supposed to have loads more content, and is supposed to be the best game in the series with all the right RPG elements. One of these days, perhaps...

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post Sep 18 2020, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 18 2020, 12:36 PM) *

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Sep 17 2020, 08:13 AM) *

@Decrepit: With your updates, I don't think I can resist replaying Daggerfall any longer.


I should one of these days, too. It's little things which put me off from that game, such as, the need to rely on fast-travel to finish timed quests. I can also remember my character (a couple years ago) joined some temple. I think it was Kynareth. So great. He is part of a faction, sweet! It had been awhile since he had been in civilization, so first thing he tried to do was get some rest in the temple or hall or whatever. And No! That was not allowed. mad.gif I forget exactly what happened but there was some adverse pop-up message saying he had been arrested, or ousted from the guild/temple. I'm not remembering exactly but it was one of those RP moments which made no senses to me. indifferent.gif

I know DF is supposed to have loads more content, and is supposed to be the best game in the series with all the right RPG elements. One of these days, perhaps...

Of the four organization to which my DFU avatar belongs, one allows rest within its walls upon joining. I believe a second organization might allow rest after a certain guild level is obtained, but don't quote me. Membership in a Knightly Order allows rest in Inns free of charge. (Innkeepers must still be solicited.) As to requiring fast-travel, from a technical standpoint this isn't correct, discounting water travel. One can indeed walk/ride between destinations. Admittedly, I've not tested it in so far as meeting quest time limits goes. From a practical standpoint the game's over-world is bland to an extreme. There's little so see or do, making extended surface travel unappealing. A number of mods attempt to address this, but much remains to be done.

You tempt me. Next time my avatar accepts an assignment with shortish travel distances I'll try to talk him into riding rather than fast-travel. Assuming I remember, that is.

As for my avatar, he was tasked to fetch as talisman for the Temple of Kynareth. Unlike his previous assignment, its dungeon was a pleasure to navigate. Luck was again against him, in that he combed the entire maze before finding the item. Talisman in hand, he elected to walk back to the exit/entrance, which took no time at all. Added bonus, the dungeon was full of Daedric weapon/armor dropping humanoids. My avatar made an absolute killing off sold spoils. At least 400-500k, if memory serves! I left him about to grab an assignment for the Daggerfall City Fighters Guild chapter.

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My avatar and I chickened out. His Fighters Guild assignment required three days travel each way. I hoped for a one-two day initial attempt. Still, we thought to attempt it. But... the world was shrouded in fog, limiting vision to near-field. Trees of Daggerfall (mod) doesn't yet provide a winter tree-set, leaving us to stare at vanilla trees. Lastly, my avatar odd in that he does not own a stand-alone horse. He does own a cart, but its horse doesn't gallop. (Only my original 1996 avatar bought both cart/horse and stand-alone horse.) We actually travelled some distance from Daggerfall City before deciding to throw in the towel and fast-travel. We'll try again under more favorable circumstances, fast horse or no fast horse.

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post Sep 19 2020, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 18 2020, 01:36 PM) *

I should one of these days, too. It's little things which put me off from that game, such as, the need to rely on fast-travel to finish timed quests. I can also remember my character (a couple years ago) joined some temple. I think it was Kynareth. So great. He is part of a faction, sweet! It had been awhile since he had been in civilization, so first thing he tried to do was get some rest in the temple or hall or whatever. And No! That was not allowed. mad.gif I forget exactly what happened but there was some adverse pop-up message saying he had been arrested, or ousted from the guild/temple. I'm not remembering exactly but it was one of those RP moments which made no senses to me. indifferent.gif

I know DF is supposed to have loads more content, and is supposed to be the best game in the series with all the right RPG elements. One of these days, perhaps...


Well, it's the best game depending on what you want out of an RPG. It does have a lot more content in a sense, but the vast majority of it is procedurally generated, which some would argue is not actually more content because it isn't as unique as handcrafted worlds.

I'm not much of a fan of the timed quests (at least when it comes to their prevalence), but in its defense it makes for something different than what you're used to. And trust me, if you get to the game sometime, you're going to greatly appreciate the fast travel system. The world is too damn big, although it is exceptionally cool that, if you wanted to, you could actually travel between locations on foot. That's one of the most fascinating things about the game.

I think you would be really surprised at how much you would enjoy the game. There are some unique roleplaying elements that Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim/Online just don't and/or can't have.



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@Decrepit - I imagine you know what I am talking about given your affinity for Daggerfall, but otherwise this may sound out of left field: Can you visit The Ruins of Cosh Hall in Cybiades?


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post Sep 19 2020, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Sep 18 2020, 08:00 PM) *

The world is too damn big, although it is exceptionally cool that, if you wanted to, you could actually travel between locations on foot.

Yes it is exceptionally cool. I've traveled short distances overland a few times just to be able to say I did. What was really amazing was the time I stumbled upon a witches coven out in the middle of nowhere.
In 2016 someone did a real walkthrough by walking across the as he says the entire map (I think he missed the SW section of the map) of Daggerfall. It took him 69+ hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RA9LRoc6k4


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post Sep 19 2020, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Sep 18 2020, 08:00 PM) *

@Decrepit - I imagine you know what I am talking about given your affinity for Daggerfall, but otherwise this may sound out of left field: Can you visit The Ruins of Cosh Hall in Cybiades?

Cybiades! Boy does that bring back memories. Not so much for Daggerfall itself, but rather the Oblivion quest mod "Daggerfall Memories: Cybiades". My avatar adventured there during both Oblivion plays-through, though I deleted those save from my second play-through to reduce save-game file size.

After reading your comment I fired up Daggerfall just long enough to ensure that I recall Cybiades exact map location. Yup, it's exactly where I remember it being. To the best of my recollection, none of my Daggerfall avatars ever ventured there. Last night's look shows that there are no reality available fast-travel points on the world-map. But we can indeed visit there should we so choose. I suspect it's now easier than ever to reach, thanks to a ship mod that allows ocean surface travel. There's also an Airship mod that will likely serve. I don't use it either. (I haven't kept track of these two mods in quite some time, so don't know their current functional status.) It can be traveled to conventionally too, of course. Hmmm...I wonder if Ruins of Cosh Hall is a randomly selected quest locale assignmented by a nearby 'kingdom'? Or by finding its map during a dungeon crawl?

Speaking of maps, it seems my DFU avatar has collected every available dungeon map within Daggerfall Kingdom. He still finds them in Daggefall Kingdom dungeons. But 'using' them always gives a message that that location is already recorded.


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post Sep 20 2020, 12:30 AM
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@macole - I'm not surprised. I actually tried doing some trekking through the wilderness myself. One "dot" distance on the map was probably something like 5-10 or so minutes.

@Decrepit - That's one of the mods I plan on using when I ever get back to Oblivion and finally start modding it. The location just intrigues me because it is in the smallest region in the game, Cybiades has reputation stats and such despite the fact that there are absolutely no other NPCs on the island whatsoever, and there is only one location to go there for. The Elder Scrolls Online was also going to have it be a big part of the Thieves Guild DLC, although sadly that got cut out (but the name "Cosh" is still relevant in it).


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Well, boys and girls, I finally took the plunge last night and started playing Daggerfall Unity! I hadn't played the original game in what must have been about 5-and-a-half years. And it certainly showed, because it took some getting used to again.

Since my first playthrough of the game was with a male Argonian (as is tradition with me whenever I first play a TES game), I changed it up this time. I am running with a female Breton Spellsword, and I gave her the name of my Breton Sorceress from Elder Scrolls Online, Evelona Mathieu. Her name is the odd one out in the Iliac Bay since the series hadn't settled on French-inspired names as the norm for Bretons. And I got the Ebony Dagger in character creation this time, which saved my hide later on. More on that in a moment.

Surprisingly, I remembered much of how to get out of Privateer's Hold from my first playthrough years ago, or at least I vaguely had a sense of it. But, of course, it was not without hiccups. My old friend the screaming Skeleton came to say hi, and boy, was he tough. I don't remember other creatures attacking each other that much, but I worked that in a couple times in the fight. First, a Giant Bat got into it with the Skeleton and I got to get a couple hits on him as he tussled witb the winged monster. He eventually dispatched the bat, but I found a bear trying to get out of a door in the same room, so I released him to attack the skeleton. I still had to help kill the skeleton and then kill the bear. I also killed a thief who initially surprised and killed me, and she had a map to a dungeon called The Citadel of Wickhart.

After I got out of Privateer's Hold, I decided to run on foot to the nearest town, Gothway Garden and did a quick quest in town for a scantily-clad patron of one of the taverns. I then trekked a bit of a longer distance to Burgley, a somewhat larger town, just a few hours ago. A shopkeeper gave me a quest to clear out some Harpies in a rundown property that he no longer used, but he had to have taken care off due to some law that required him to have it be in a certain condition. I went there, and it was just BRUTAL. The Harpies hit hard and often, my rest got interrupted constantly, and I had to do a lot of save-scumming. Evelona died a lot in the dungeon but she eventually pushed through. I did not remember that Harpies needed to be hit by a certain quality of weapon, and my Iron Flail I was mostly using was not cutting it. That's when I remembered: I had an Ebony Dagger! It was still rough going, but the dagger made it possible to get through. I eventually found a specific Harpy I had to kill because it dropped a clan feather (and in typical Daggerfall fashion, there was little to no indication that this Harpy was different than the others).

It took some time to find the way back out, but the QoL changes Unity made to the map were extremely helpful. The map was easier to navigate even if it's still a cluster[censored]. You also get a red vertical pole indicating where you are relative the rest of the dungeon and a green vertical pole marking the entrance/exit of the dungeon relative to the rest of the dungeon, and big arrows in the respective colors marking exactly where you are and where the exit is.

After I came back and finished the shopkeeper's quest, I went off to meet Lady Brisienna, joined the Mages Guild, bought a bunch of spells, and traveled to the location that was on the map I looted off the thief I killed all the way back in Privateer's Hold: The Citadel of Wickhart. I ended the session right outside its entrance. The sky was this really cool red and black, which may be an ill omen...but oh well!

Forgot to mention that I purposely traveled to back to Daggerfall recklessly after I left it to meet Lady Brisienna in another town. As I hoped, I got back at night to hear our old friend, King Lysandus's Ghost yell "VENGEANNNNNCE!" a bunch of times. I climbed the wall and eventually a Wraith started chasing me. I luckily had a Slowfall spell from character creation, so I cast that as I jumped off the wall. I booked it to a tavern and bought a room for the night. Ordeal over, right? WRONG. The Wraith was still there when I left the tavern (which I am pretty sure is a bug), and I found that there had been a second Wraith in tow! That one cast a spell that hit a citizen, but she just kept walking like nothing happened. None of the citizens acknowledged the Wraiths were there. I made it back to the smith that was repairing my Ebony Dagger that got a lot of use against Harpies. I picked it up, ready to do battle with the Wraiths...and they were gone when I went back out the door. Seriously? Ah well.


Also, in case it is not known: You can capture screenshots easily in Daggerfall Unity! All you need to do is hit F8 (or in my case, CTRL and F8 because F8 already has a specific function on my computer). I'm excited that I can actually share pics from that game. Be on the lookout for those in the near future.

I can't believe I am playing Daggerfall again! And an upgraded version at that!


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post Sep 21 2020, 03:59 PM
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Once my avatar banished Lysandus' shade, it felt as if a little color disappeared from the world. It had been such a rock-stable presence in my avatar's existence that its departure was akin to losing old acquaintance who, until that moment, he hadn't expected to miss.


My DFU avatar hit several milestones. He's now level 29. Slow as he progresses (a deliberate choice), such occasions are few and far between. This time round he did something unusual (for him), pumped five points into LUCK. The remaining point went to PERSONALITY, another rarity.

He also progressed DESTRUCTION magic to '51'. That's the highest it can rise through bought training sessions. Since he doesn't have a good 'practice spell' for it, and doesn't use it during crawls, doubt it'll climb much of any higher. Daggerfall City now has no trainers for any skill he cares about that's under 51. He can of course improve the various language skills. No thanks.


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Added a newly published mod to my DFU arsenal, Reverb_Dungeons. It does exactly what the name implies. Not a game changer by any means. In truth, during this morning's crawl I forgot it is installed.

My DFU spent time fruitlessly soliciting Daggerfall City citizens for employment. When that didn't pan out he accepted a Lich extermination assignment from the Fighters Guild. Your average dungeon crawl, much like any other. He looted enough Daedric gear to turn a tidy profit. I left him outside the assignment dungeon, about to return to Daggerfall City after having exhausted his magicka poll practicing Mysticism.


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