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post Dec 9 2011, 12:40 PM
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For those who want to postpone the Main Quest for a dragon-free game, hereís what is working for me.

I have two characters who have told the Jarl of Whiterun about the dragon at Helgen but have not gone to Bleak Falls Barrow. There have not been any dragons in either of their games (other than Alduin at Helgen), and one is Level 19. I think it should be safe to go into Whiterun and even talk to the Jarl, if you stay out of BFB.

Of course you canít buy the Whiterun house without completing Dragon Rising, at least thatís my understanding.

It might be an even later event that starts the dragons, does anyone know? Maybe returning to the Jarl after the events in BFB. As soon as the next patch comes out for the PS3 Iíll do a little barrow diving and see what happens.



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post Dec 9 2011, 01:18 PM
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I would think that dragons don't start appearing until you defeat the first one at East Watchtower and learn you are Dragonborn. That way, you don't see any until the game has introduced you to fighting them, and giving you a small army to help you out.


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post Dec 9 2011, 01:52 PM
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I too have avoided Bleak Falls Barrow in my game (thanks to King Coin's warning) - and am also enjoying a dragon-free game.

In fact, I actually "discovered" Bleak Falls Barrow by accident last week, and was scared to death I may have triggered the dragons.

I ran like a banshee (did NOT go inside at all). I watched the sky a LOT after that to see if any dragons appeared - really didn't want to have to load a previous save unless necessary.

So far (thank goodness) still having a great dragon-free game.


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post Dec 9 2011, 05:40 PM
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You sure it's going into BFB that triggers dragons? I would think it would be either the Word, the druger boss or looting the dragonstone that would set it off. Giving the stone to Faragar sets off Dragon Rising so I had been thinking it was the trigger point for dragons.


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post Dec 9 2011, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(liliandra nadiar @ Dec 9 2011, 11:40 AM) *

You sure it's going into BFB that triggers dragons? I would think it would be either the Word, the druger boss or looting the dragonstone that would set it off. Giving the stone to Faragar sets off Dragon Rising so I had been thinking it was the trigger point for dragons.

I think the trigger is probably somewhere in Dragon Rising like TK said. Staying out of BFB means you canít get the stone that starts the whole thing, which is easier for me to remember and my only safe recommendation. Iím going to try starting Dragon Rising and going as far as meeting Irileth at the Western Watchtower but not talking to the surviving guard for awhile and see what happens. I think the last conversation triggers Mirmulnir, and then itís dragons ho! I just donít remember which is the last conversation that the player initiates. Is it the one at the tower with Irileth, or does the player find the surviving guard there? Iím guessing that one of those is the point of no return. Thatís what Iím going to check.

As soon as we get the patch. smile.gif



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post Dec 9 2011, 07:01 PM
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I know just approaching the tower will start the attack, once the guard starts walking down the ramp it starts. And he'll do that even if no one's near. Nither Irileth or I were close enough to trigger the conversation, and on two occasions Irileth and the guard hadn't even arrived yet.

As far as I remember, the last player triggered conversation is giving the stone to the mage. Don't know if the PC being there would have an effect on the conversation with the Jarl and the guard, I know Irelith and her 'pep-talk' will go with or without the PC. I think I'll do some testing of start up conditions as well.


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post Dec 9 2011, 07:09 PM
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All I know is, putting Bleak Falls Barrow on the map did not trigger it, but I'm not going inside and pressing my luck till I'm darn good and ready for dragons to pop out.

When I am ready, I'll retrieve the stone and then wander around, see if anything is different.


** Also, something to think about: In Oblivion the gates were set off by bringing Martin to Cloud Ruler Temple. After that you could trigger gates by walking through areas, but they wouldn't pop up till the next time you came through.

It may be the same with the dragons. Maybe going into Bleak Falls Barrow enables them, and the player triggers certain random ones by walking through areas - but won't see that dragon till the next time they walk through that particular place.


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post Dec 9 2011, 10:41 PM
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The trigger things for the Dragons is giving the stone to the Wizard in the Jarl's place...

I did the Golden Claw quest in BFB pretty much as soon as I started the game...You can do the whole thing...Beat the boss at the end, grab the Dragonstone (granted you can't then drop it and it weighs 25), then learn the word and no dragons...

I didn't start the MQ till I was in the Level 30s...I'm now Level 42...So now there's something about me, bayaybeeh soo riiiiight...*Cough*...Sorry...Decent English band alert!!...

Aaamywho...Methinks talking to the Jarl about Dragons is Taking The Amulet To Jauffre™ and giving the Dragonstone to the dude is Finding Martin™ which sets the whole thing off...
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post Dec 10 2011, 04:44 AM
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Good grief, I never thought about how much the stone would weigh. ohmy.gif I'm glad my characters aren't dragging that thing around! Just think of all the fur shoes they would have to leave behind when they're looting.


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post Dec 10 2011, 04:55 AM
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QUOTE(Grits @ Dec 9 2011, 10:44 PM) *

Good grief, I never thought about how much the stone would weigh.

For some reason you now have me thinking of the Simpson's/X-Files crossover, when Moe and crew and carrying the Killer Whale. "Who would've thought a whale could be so heavy?" wink.gif


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post Dec 10 2011, 05:03 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Dec 9 2011, 10:55 PM) *
For some reason you now have me thinking of the Simpson's/X-Files crossover, when Moe and crew and carrying the Killer Whale. "Who would've thought a whale could be so heavy?" wink.gif

laugh.gif D'oh!! I've been made lazy by Oblivion's zero weight quest items! tongue.gif


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post Dec 10 2011, 05:11 AM
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Btw...For all those wanting to do the Golden Claw thing in BFB, you can start it in Riverwood Trading in...Umm...Where was it again?...Damn...

Aaaanyways...If you just go in there you can get to the end by rescuing the dude from the spidey then searching him later, you get the claw from him...Then more exploring...But it belongs to the shop...

Just so you know...
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post Dec 10 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Dec 9 2011, 11:11 PM) *

Btw...For all those wanting to do the Golden Claw thing in BFB, you can start it in Riverwood Trading in...Umm...Where was it again?...Damn...

Aaaanyways...If you just go in there you can get to the end by rescuing the dude from the spidey then searching him later, you get the claw from him...Then more exploring...But it belongs to the shop...

Just so you know...



...Er...huh? So even if we find the claw on a dead guy, it is owned by someone else? Can we use it first before returning it to the traders?


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post Dec 10 2011, 10:10 PM
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WARNING MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!




My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that Dragon Rising incites the appearance of the dragons. You can go into Bleak Falls Barrow, claim the Golden Claw and the Dragonstone, and even make your way back to Dragonsreach. As long as you donít turn the Dragonstone over to Farengar you should be safe. I have actually gone into Farengarís office and eavesdropped on his conversation with Delphine with the Dragonstone in my inventory (I wanted to use the Arcane Enchanter). Then I left and literally walked (not ran) from Whiterun to Riften to Winterhold to Markarth with no further thoughts (or appearances) of dragons. When I went back eleven levels later Farengar was still talking to Delphine. Just be quick because the moment he finishes talking to Delphine he initiates conversation with you and takes the Dragonstone. Even then you can still get away without triggering the dragons as long as Irileth doesn't show up. When Irileth comes into the room and says: ďA dragon has been spotted . . .Ē that locks you into Dragon Rising, Mirmulnir, and the rest of the cliff racers, er . . . dragons.

QUOTE(mALX @ Dec 10 2011, 07:55 AM) *

...Er...huh? So even if we find the claw on a dead guy, it is owned by someone else? Can we use it first before returning it to the traders?

Hint: You have to use it to get the Dragonstone. wink.gif


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post Dec 10 2011, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(Destri Melarg @ Dec 10 2011, 04:10 PM) *

WARNING MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
*snip*
Hint: You have to use it to get the Dragonstone. wink.gif



Well...I kind of figured that, lol. But I was not sure how one gets it into their own inventory with no stolen tags on it, lol.


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post Dec 11 2011, 12:27 AM
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It's probably marked as a lootable quest item, so you can pick it up from the dark elf and use it, but not get rid of it until you talk to Lucy in the Riverwood Trader.


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post Dec 12 2011, 03:39 AM
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Well, having completed Bleak Flats Barrow for both the Golden Hand and the Court Wizard in Whiterun (but not completing either quest) last night - I went to Shearpoint and waited several days, plus fast traveled in several times - no dragons !! WOO HOO !!!

Before I shut everything down I was trying to get Throat of the World on my map without doing any quests to get there. So far no luck. Am seriously considering buying a horse and trying, lol.


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post Dec 17 2011, 06:48 PM
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I just ran through this with Jensa. Wow, if you're standing close enough everything just keeps happening. I thought there were dialog breaks, but nope. It's the way Destri described.


If I want to avoid dragons, I'll avoid picking up the Dragonstone in BFB. Otherwise my nerves will be wrecked every time I go in to talk to Farengar. I can see me getting my character stuck running against a table in panic while Irileth keeps getting closer. blink.gif


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post Dec 17 2011, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(Grits @ Dec 17 2011, 12:48 PM) *

I just ran through this with Jensa. Wow, if you're standing close enough everything just keeps happening. I thought there were dialog breaks, but nope. It's the way Destri described.


If I want to avoid dragons, I'll avoid picking up the Dragonstone in BFB. Otherwise my nerves will be wrecked every time I go in to talk to Farengar. I can see me getting my character stuck running against a table in panic while Irileth keeps getting closer. blink.gif



Maybe you can run up to the deck and fast travel from there !!! Lol.


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post Dec 17 2011, 07:53 PM
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Erm...Couldn't you just avoid going to Dragonsreach?... biggrin.gif ...I did for absolutely ages...

And when I had to go there for a seperate quest I just kept backing out of the conversations with Irileth...
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