Fallout 4 - no spoilers, Are the rumors true? Options

[Kiln]

Commonwealth?

I just thought the text on that page looked like Russian letters

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I hope it is Obsidian does get a sequel. They had some difficulty with Bethsoft's engine but their game was no more broken than Oblivion or FO3, which both had game breaking bugs at launch. I actually preferred FO:NV to FO3 personally. Anyone who has ever fired a gun can appreciate the improved mechanics and ability to upgrade weapons in New Vegas.

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I would say so. But for me Fallout NV was broken as hell. And then it got worse when they patched it. By the time they were done with it masochists were calling it too painful

But since it's undoubtedly for the newer consoles and PC, my interest is pretty much academic.

I loved New Vegas. I also loved Fallout 3 but for me New Vegas was a step forward in terms of game mechanics. They added a lot to the game like reloading, weapon mods, more detailed crafting, and multiple ammunition types. This mirrors real life much better than FO3's system did.

[Callidus Thorn]

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I would say so. But for me Fallout NV was broken as hell. And then it got worse when they patched it. By the time they were done with it masochists were calling it too painful

But since it's undoubtedly for the newer consoles and PC, my interest is pretty much academic.

I loved New Vegas. I also loved Fallout 3 but for me New Vegas was a step forward in terms of game mechanics. They added a lot to the game like reloading, weapon mods, more detailed crafting, and multiple ammunition types. This mirrors real life much better than FO3's system did.

Sure, it added some great new features, but some of them were undermined by bias in the game's design. Energy weapons, for instance, were fundamentally inferior to small guns, even after they tweaked the ammunition.

They released the game with game breaking bugs. I'm not even sure they got rid of them all before they decided to stop patching it. But with every patch the game became less stable, at least that's what happened on my 360. By the time they were done "fixing" it, I had maybe a 50% chance of getting past character creation before it froze.

[Kiln]

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I would say so. But for me Fallout NV was broken as hell. And then it got worse when they patched it. By the time they were done with it masochists were calling it too painful

But since it's undoubtedly for the newer consoles and PC, my interest is pretty much academic.

I loved New Vegas. I also loved Fallout 3 but for me New Vegas was a step forward in terms of game mechanics. They added a lot to the game like reloading, weapon mods, more detailed crafting, and multiple ammunition types. This mirrors real life much better than FO3's system did.

Sure, it added some great new features, but some of them were undermined by bias in the game's design. Energy weapons, for instance, were fundamentally inferior to small guns, even after they tweaked the ammunition.

They released the game with game breaking bugs. I'm not even sure they got rid of them all before they decided to stop patching it. But with every patch the game became less stable, at least that's what happened on my 360. By the time they were done "fixing" it, I had maybe a 50% chance of getting past character creation before it froze.

Strange. I'm on the 360 also. It plays great for me now that it's all been patched. I wonder why the difference between two users on the same system?

FO3 and Oblivion also shipped with bugs that broke the main quest and caused constant freezing. Bethsoft didn't bother to completely fix all their bugs either. Skyrim was a step forward in terms of stability so hopefully this is what we will be able to look forward to when it comes to next gen FO and TES games.

[King Coin]

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I wouldn't expect one. They are working on their own project right now. Plus after reading some interviews, it doesn't sound like they made much money off of FONV.

This post has been edited by King Coin: Dec 4 2013, 10:00 PM

[Colonel Mustard]

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I wouldn't expect one. They are working on their own project right now. Plus after reading some interviews, it doesn't sound like they made much money off of FONV.

Aw, I really liked New Vegas; one of the best-written games of this (the last? Christ) generation, and a really well-made setting, too

[Kiln]

Also, is it at all perverse that the thing I'm looking forward to the most with this game is Obsidian's sequel?

I wouldn't expect one. They are working on their own project right now. Plus after reading some interviews, it doesn't sound like they made much money off of FONV.

That is unfortunate.

[SubRosa]

Apparently FONV sold nearly 3.5 million copies. Less than half of Skyrim, just a little less than Oblivion and FO3, but more than any of the individual Mass Effect games. Of course these numbers are suspect, as I doubt they include online purchases for PC copies, such as through Steam (who do not publicly release their sales figures).

They did blow a bonus because of one point on Metacritic. They had to fire 30 people afterward, and cancel a new project they were working on, so obviously they were counting on that bonus.

It also says later in that article that Obsidian did not get paid on a per sale basis (Bethedsa published the game, so they made all the money from sales, and then in turn paid Obsidian some unknown amount). They just got a straight, one time payment for their work. My guess is Obsidian negotiated a bad deal, or Bethesda simply screwed them out of their money. Hmmm, my understanding is that Bethesda did the Q&A for FONV, not Obisdian. Perhaps Bethesda deliberately ignored bugs in the game so it shipped in such a sorry state as it did, in order to keep the Metacricitc score down?

There is no way of knowing how much Obsidian expected to make off of it either, or promised their shareholders/financiers that they would make. Maybe they expected to make a lot more, or even spent more creating it than they got paid by Bethesda?

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Dec 5 2013, 04:28 AM

[McBadgere]

Yeah, I saw that article a while ago...Kinda sad the way Bethesda held back the money...Dunno if they'd have released it deliberately to screw Obsidian over, they still have their reputation to keep up...Actually, they screwed themselves big-time with that and Skyrim didn't they?...

Um...

Oh yeah, but releasing a game where the online community thing has identified and fixed 27,000 bugs (according to Wikipedia)...that's not good for anyone...

Personally, I prefer FO3 anyways...The exploration is far more fun, and less soul grindingly dangerous..."Hey, shall I go this way?...Oh no, I'm dead by flies...Oh, how about this way?...Oh no, dead by Ghoul...How about..."...

Yawn...

But, each to their own of course...

However...Being part of that Next-Gen thing now... ...I'm looking forward to what they throw at the machines...The difference between the PS3 and PS4 in terms of graphics is ridiculous...

I'm still playing through the PS3 version of Assassin's Creed 4, and it's stunningly gorgeous on that machine...Properly gorgeous...But I've tested the PS4 version and it's just so far beyond beautiful...Oh my...

I'm rather looking forward to what they do with Fallout and ES now...

Still not doing the online thing though... ...

[Colonel Mustard]

GONORRHOEA-RIDDEN ARSE MONKEYS!!!!!

[King Coin]

GONORRHOEA-RIDDEN ARSE MONKEYS!!!!!

Concurred.

[Kiln]

This is why I was watching the whole thing with an eye of skepticism. I was hoping it'd be eventually proven true however.

[McBadgere]

GONORRHOEA-RIDDEN ARSE MONKEYS!!!!!

*Sigh*...Bollocks...

Hey-ho...Back to FO3 for a while then...

[ImperialSnob]

"Hey Pete,see this hoax?"

"Yeah maybe we should tell the fans."

"Nah,let's tell them when the countdown ends "

[SubRosa]

"Hey Pete,see this hoax?"

"Yeah maybe we should tell the fans."

"Nah,let's tell them when the countdown ends "

I was thinking that too. I wonder if the hoax was created by Bethesda itself.

[Colonel Mustard]

"Hey Pete,see this hoax?"

"Yeah maybe we should tell the fans."

"Nah,let's tell them when the countdown ends "

I was thinking that too. I wonder if the hoax was created by Bethesda itself.

It was some lone random arsehole going by the name 'DChoaxer' with too much time on his hands. Did it just to 'make people freak out'.

Source: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/...e-You-Freak-Out

Bethesda didn't step in due to marketing logic; the hoax site generates hype and gets Fallout 4 to the forefronts of the minds of the gaming community and of potential customers, but when it turns out to be there's nothing the company is able to completely wash their hands of it. They could oust it as a fake, and there's an argument to say that they should have done, but going by typically cynical corporation logic then of course they wouldn't.

This post has been edited by Colonel Mustard: Dec 12 2013, 05:27 PM

[ImperialSnob]

DON'T CARE STILL GETTING FALLOUT 4!

[Kiln]

DON'T CARE STILL GETTING FALLOUT 4!

+1. When it comes out I'll probably be among the first to grab it in my time zone.

[McBadgere]

I have to admit, if they do one for it, I'll be in the queue for the midnight opening...Like I was with Skyrim...

[mirocu]

So, I guess I´m at least in the minority who won´t get it..?


You other guys; will you be camping by your puters to start your download at 12:01AM?

[SubRosa]

I am in no hurry. I have plenty of other games to play right now. I'll let them release it and spend a few months patching it. Maybe in March or April of next year I will buy it. Or maybe I'll wait until they release it on Gog.com. That should be about 20 years or so...

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Oct 27 2015, 04:47 PM