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Posted by: mirocu Feb 20 2013, 08:24 PM
As I have never done the Oblivion Main Quest, I´d like to ask if any of the forumites here never have either. I'm pretty sure I´m alone but I need to know!
The reason I never did it was actually because of the pictures on the back of the DVD case. One of them showed a destroyed city which I now know is Kvatch. But back then I thought it could happen to Bruma and I was terrified of that! I loved Bruma and didn´t want anything to happen to it by progressing through the MQ. As some things do happen around Bruma during the course of the MQ I am very happy I never did it as it would have forever ruined my beloved Jeralls.
But the question remains; Am I alone about never having done the Oblivion MQ?
Posted by: Acadian Feb 20 2013, 08:46 PM
I did the MQ during my early evaluation playthroughs. That was before I allowed Buffy to play Oblivion.
Buffy has recently seen the end of the Oblivion Crisis that has plagued her world for several years. She is not the Champion of Cyrodiil, however, for such honors go to those of much stouter stuff than she. But that is another story. . . .
Knowing some of the forumers here as I do though, I suspect you are not the only one to have never completed the MQ. 
Posted by: ghastley Feb 20 2013, 08:57 PM
I have two kinds of characters: those who never start the MQ (i.e. just dump the Amulet of Kings with Jauffre and walk out), and those who complete it. Nobody quits part-way.
Posted by: mirocu Feb 20 2013, 08:59 PM
I was asking you as a player, ghastley. But I got the answer anyway
Posted by: ghastley Feb 20 2013, 09:06 PM
Actually, I should probably add that I've created characters to do all the quest lines. I want to play the whole game I bought (and that other folks added to) so even if all the quests don't suit the same character, I'll create someone else who'd do them.
I'd suspect that the only people who have never had a character that does the MQ will be those who make one and stick with them, and maybe it's more likely that the "single-character" players will avoid it. It's kind of the opposite of the "beat the game" syndrome, a sub-conscious belief that doing the MQ will finish everything you want to continue.
Posted by: Lopov Feb 20 2013, 09:38 PM
I did it once, with my only CoC Amadeus in 2006. I enjoyed the beginning quests that mostly take place in the IC but I didn't especially like the ones that involved closing numerous gates. I tried to do it once again in 2012 but I dropped that character for good. I doubt I'll ever do it again. Still, I must say that at that time I found Camoran and his family as quite interesting and well-designed antagonists.
Posted by: Destri Melarg Feb 20 2013, 10:15 PM
But the question remains; Am I alone about never having done the Oblivion MQ?
No you're not alone, mirocu. I've never finished Oblivion's main quest either.
Knowing some of the forumers here as I do though, I suspect you are not the only one to have never completed the MQ.
Were you looking over at me, Acadian?
I'd suspect that the only people who have never had a character that does the MQ will be those who make one and stick with them, and maybe it's more likely that the "single-character" players will avoid it. It's kind of the opposite of the "beat the game" syndrome, a sub-conscious belief that doing the MQ will finish everything you want to continue.
An interesting point. I suspect you may be onto something for the most part. Speaking for myself, I have had at least one ongoing character for each race except Khajiit (which is a shame because I actually like the Khajiiti, I just can't get past the idea of an individual covered in fur encasing themselves in armor... or clothing), and I haven't completed the game with any of them. I don't need to 'complete' the game in order to feel good about it, and I don't need the achievement validation.
Posted by: SubRosa Feb 20 2013, 10:40 PM
I have done the mq with 3 or 4 characters out of two or three dozen. Most of the time it just is not something I want to do. It gets tedious after a while.
Posted by: Kiln Feb 21 2013, 12:27 AM
I always do the main quest at some time or another but will normally avoid it with following characters.
Posted by: Grits Feb 21 2013, 02:20 AM
I've finished the main quest before, and I have a character who is presently engaged in it.
I have a great deal of curiosity, and I enjoy the game world tremendously. I can’t imagine skipping part of it on purpose. Locations, NPCs, dialog, notes, I want to see them all. No matter how many characters it ends up taking to get me into everything. 
Most of my characters do not get drawn into Jauffre's net. But I still very much enjoy doing the main quest (at least as much of it as they survive) with the ones who do.
Posted by: King Of Beasts Feb 21 2013, 04:45 AM
I've finished the main quest. Five times in fact
Posted by: mirocu Feb 21 2013, 04:30 PM
No you're not alone, mirocu. I've never finished Oblivion's main quest either.
But I haven´t even started it!
I have had at least one ongoing character for each race except Khajiit (which is a shame because I actually like the Khajiiti, I just can't get past the idea of an individual covered in fur encasing themselves in armor... or clothing),
Who says you have to clothe them? They are felines so they don´t need clothes imvho
Posted by: King Coin Feb 21 2013, 09:40 PM
...each race except Khajiit (which is a shame because I actually like the Khajiiti, I just can't get past the idea of an individual covered in fur encasing themselves in armor... or clothing)
Who says you have to clothe them? They are felines so they don´t need clothes imvho
I don't see why it's any different from why a human or an elf character would like clothing or armor...
Why not run around as a naked Khajiit though?
Posted by: mirocu Feb 21 2013, 09:42 PM
I don't see why it's any different from why a human or an elf character would like clothing or armor...
Khajiit have fur, humans and elves do not. Shave a Khajiit and you have a good reason to clothe them too
Posted by: Grits Feb 21 2013, 10:20 PM
Hmm. I should think that the diversity of Khajiit forms (some actually do look like animals), the history of slavery, and being called a beast-race would all contribute to Khajiit culture being even more focused on the importance of clothing as adornment.
Also you wouldn’t have to shave Ohmes to make them need clothing. Aren’t they hairless?
Posted by: mirocu Feb 21 2013, 10:23 PM
you wouldn’t have to shave Ohmes to make them need clothing. Aren’t they hairless?
Maybe, but I feel we´re drifting away a little too much from the subject now
Posted by: Grits Feb 21 2013, 10:24 PM
Good point. I have never done the main quest with a Khajiit.
Posted by: Lady Saga Feb 23 2013, 04:40 AM
I have attempted the Main Quest three times, and only finished it* once. In efffect, I have "baeten the gmae" only once. 
HEre are my accounts:
Renee Gade I: she was my 3rd character, a 'Jacquline of all trades'. I actually did quite a lot of side questing and guild questing before going to Kvatch with RG1. At the time I liked the idea of saving the 'best' quest for last; that was my mentality. Doing the MQ first seemed like rushing the game at the time. So once we finally got to Kvatch, I was shocked! The red skies and hellish theme really surprised me, and I immediately freaked out and ran away from Kvatch!
After this episode, I was disappointed. Every time RG1 would pass another gate, the sky would go red, and I'd start to freak! I didnt' want this! I didn't want Cyrodiil's placid countryside to turn into hell! ...and I was also not enjoying the way the game was leveling upwards. I rage-quit RG1's game one day, after seeing one too many glass bandits. 
Immersion was totally down the drain at that point, but let's not get offf-topic, right?
Igodah Go^Pe: Igodah Go^Pe was a pure mage high elf. I was roleplaying with Igodah, rather than the videogamish Lara Croft approach I had with RG1. Igodah was not taking every quest thrown at her, and not another Jaqueline of all Trades: she focused mainly on the Mage's Guild and MQ.
She became Arch Mage, and that's when I started the MQ. I had put a lot of hours on her game, adventuring all over the place and messing with NPCs all over Cyrodiil. Since her game was on PS3, this meant bad things. The A-bomb struck at about 360 hours or so.
She literaly got stuck in one of the final Oblivion towers , while the clock was ticking down! 
The A-bomb prevented her from opening a door, and so that was the end of Tamriel (in her reality) and the end of her game.The Grey Wizard: Same idea as Igodah's game: The Grey Wizard became Arch Mage and followed this with the MQ; difference was he is Breton. He is also a male. My first male character in Cyrodiil.
I really wanted to finish the MQ by the time TGW was extant. But I started moseying again, just like I had with Igodah's game. Then Skyrim was announced. BAM! ... We had 11 months until 11/11/11, and so I had a real reason to at least try to finish the Main Quest!
And we managed to do so, but during the Grey Wizard's game something unexpected happened: I started to LOVE finding new Oblivion gates to plunder! TGW took up a short addiction with closing gates; he closed 20 or 25 during his 'career'. But he usually only chose gates which were near roads or civilized areas. If the gate was off in the wilderness, he usually would just leave it alone. The implication was: gates near civilization pose more of a threat, and must be closed first.
But I just think it's kinda neat how I initially hated dealing with Oblivion gates, to tolerating them, to finally enjoying them.
Posted by: Grits Feb 23 2013, 05:36 AM
I was surprised to learn that non-Champions of Cyrodiil were in the majority in my household. Two out of three Oblivion players here have not completed the MQ. One has not even started it.
Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Feb 23 2013, 05:53 AM
I tried doing it right out of the dungeon and had my butt handed to me XD same thing at level 9. I tried again at level 14 and did better.
I don't think I could ever NOT do a main quest.
Posted by: SubRosa Feb 23 2013, 06:13 AM
The Grey Wizard: Same idea as Igodah's game: The Grey Wizard became Arch Mage and followed this with the MQ; difference was he is Breton. He is also a male. My first male character in Cyrodiil.
On a completely different note, back in my pen and paper RPG days I once had a character named The Grey Mage. He was in a Shadowrun game, which is set in a dystopian cyberpunk style future. He started out as a mechanic named Wrecks. He and the other PCs were part of a biker gang, who went to the Tennessee countryside to lie low for a while after killing a lot of people. Wrecks found an old skeleton out in the woods (as in centuries old), which triggered a very cool experience where he and the other gangers relieved the Battle of Franklin as Confederate soldiers. Afterward Wrecks was not himself anymore (thanks to the GM letting me run with the idea of the soul of the dead Confederate officer that Wrecks had found merging with his own). He started talking in a southern accent, suddenly got a sense of honor, and became able to use magic. He donned a grey duster and hat, and became the Grey Mage.
Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Feb 23 2013, 06:18 AM
The Grey Wizard: Same idea as Igodah's game: The Grey Wizard became Arch Mage and followed this with the MQ; difference was he is Breton. He is also a male. My first male character in Cyrodiil.
On a completely different note, back in my pen and paper RPG days I once had a character named The Grey Mage. He was in a Shadowrun game, which is set in a dystopian cyberpunk style future. He started out as a mechanic named Wrecks. He and the other PCs were part of a biker gang, who went to the Tennessee countryside to lie low for a while after killing a lot of people. Wrecks found an old skeleton out in the woods (as in centuries old), which triggered a very cool experience where he and the other gangers relieved the Battle of Franklin as Confederate soldiers. Afterward Wrecks was not himself anymore (thanks to the GM letting me run with the idea of the soul of the dead Confederate officer that Wrecks had found merging with his own). He started talking in a southern accent, suddenly got a sense of honor, and became able to use magic. He donned a grey duster and hat, and became the Grey Mage.
Oh cool!!!! The most interesting thing I've ever done during a tabletop RPG is sit down and crochet in the middle of the battle.
It worked. XD
Posted by: mirocu Feb 23 2013, 09:53 AM
I just think it's kinda neat how I initially hated dealing with Oblivion gates, to tolerating them, to finally enjoying them.
Interesting to follow your gaming history like that, Renee. I don´t think I´ve done that before
I was surprised to learn that non-Champions of Cyrodiil were in the majority in my household. Two out of three Oblivion players here have not completed the MQ. One has not even started it.
When did I start to live in your house?
I don't think I could ever NOT do a main quest.
And I could never not NOT do it!
Posted by: Lady Saga Feb 23 2013, 12:35 PM
On a completely different note, back in my pen and paper RPG days I once had a character named The Grey Mage..... He donned a grey duster and hat, and became the Grey Mage.
Oh wow! .... that's quite a story. I remember seeing Shadowrun on the shelves but i've never played it.
MY very first Tabletop character (created when I was 15 or 16 perhaps) was The Blue Wizard; I wasn't very original with my character names back then.
The Grey Wizard was created partially just to see The Blue Wizar d come to life from my imagination to 3D. Oh cool!!!! The most interesting thing I've ever done during a tabletop RPG is sit down and crochet in the middle of the battle.
Did you have a "DM" (dungeon master)? And did this DM freak out? Interesting to follow your gaming history like that, Renee. I don´t think I´ve done that before
I was surprised to learn that non-Champions of Cyrodiil were in the majority in my household. Two out of three Oblivion players here have not completed the MQ. One has not even started it.
I can't speak for others here, but in my case my characters and I keep hearing "the Oblivion crises is happening!" from Jauffre & company. Really? It is? Where? When? Assuming my characters never go to Kvatch (which some of them see as a 'waste of time', since they've already heard it's "burned to the ground" anyways) there is no real reason to deal with the MQ at all.
Posted by: Lady Saga Feb 23 2013, 12:50 PM
But back then I thought it could happen to Bruma and I was terrified of that! I loved Bruma and didn´t want anything to happen to it by progressing through the MQ.
Technically some things do happen to Bruma (sorry to spoil this for ya) although in the vanilla game the town doesn't get completely razed. some bad things do happen to it, though, if the MQ is followed.
OTOH, seeing my character cheered by all those NPCs as he made his way though Bruma just before the big showdown was one of the most epic moments in TES: IV.
Posted by: mirocu Feb 23 2013, 05:55 PM
But back then I thought it could happen to Bruma and I was terrified of that! I loved Bruma and didn´t want anything to happen to it by progressing through the MQ.
Technically some things do happen to Bruma (sorry to spoil this for ya) although in the vanilla game the town doesn't get completely razed. some bad things do happen to it, though, if the MQ is followed.
No worries, dearest. You didn´t spoil anything. As I never plan to do the MQ anyway it doesn´t matter. I pretty much know most of what happens already, but I don´t think I knew about the stuff happening to Bruma. Aside from the things that happens through the Mages Guild questline, what does happen to Bruma? And I don´t mean the statue
seeing my character cheered by all those NPCs as he made his way though Bruma just before the big showdown was one of the most epic moments in TES: IV.
I can imagine that
Posted by: Lady Saga Feb 25 2013, 12:18 AM
Aside from the things that happens through the Mages Guild questline, what does happen to Bruma? And I don´t mean the statue
Several gates open up nearby, and one of them sits near Bruma's east gate, which creates an eyesore. When we close gates in the vanilla game, there is always a 'husk' that is left behind. Ugly, some might say. Some NPCs also die, but I'm not going to remember which ones.
And there's just a general commotion that Bruma experiences, as the one gate opens up right outside. I'm sure Lothran would be able to handle it, but it might be disturbing to you to view Bruma's NPCs freaking out and stuff.
There's probably some other things I'm not remembeing ATM.
Posted by: Grits Feb 25 2013, 12:46 AM
Wrecked siege engine out in a meadow. 
Posted by: mirocu Feb 25 2013, 04:41 PM
I knew about the siege crawler (or whatever), I thought something happened to Bruma itself, within the walls.
Yeah, those gates wouldn´t be more than a shrug for Lothran, but we would both hate the remains to Oblivion and beyond!
Posted by: Lady Saga Feb 25 2013, 07:20 PM
I knew about the siege crawler (or whatever), I thought something happened to Bruma itself, within the walls.
Something probably does, I'm just not remembering what it is, though.
Posted by: SubRosa Feb 25 2013, 07:51 PM
There is a certain statue of a certain person that is added to Bruma after a certain point in the main quest.
Posted by: Lopov Feb 25 2013, 08:09 PM
Apart from the crawler & remains of the gate outside and the statue inside, nothing gets changed inside Bruma if I recall correctly.
Posted by: ghastley Feb 25 2013, 08:25 PM
If I'm remembering the original Bruma correctly (I run Open Cities Reborn, which changes it completely) there was nothing where the statue gets added, so you can console-disable it to restore the appearance. It takes two commands, as the statue and its base are separate items.
Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Sep 8 2015, 08:49 PM
If I'm remembering the original Bruma correctly (I run Open Cities Reborn, which changes it completely) there was nothing where the statue gets added, so you can console-disable it to restore the appearance. It takes two commands, as the statue and its base are separate items.
Oh, that damn statue. I can never get it to work right, I know that in theory it's supposed to show you in the finest, most expensive weapons and stuff you're carrying, but it never seems to work like that for me. (And besides, how is your character supposed to be worrying about how they're sculpted just before a battle?) The worst case I had was when the game produced two statues interlocked with each other, but one rotated by 45 degs, now that was a weird sight.
So, from the above, yes, I find it really hard to resist doing the MQ, partly because I actually like closing gates. But Sean Bean's voice is sort of soothing too, so it's nice to pop into CRT for a quick chat and a cuppa now and then...
And, this has given me an idea for an Imperial City House of Wax, like Madame Tussaud's but with Cyrodiilic celebrities, living and dead, posed in dramatic tableaux. (Run by a demented proprietor resembling a certain V. Price, of course. And now, I think, it has a plot, another one for the notebook where it will likely stay...)
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