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Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jun 28 2014, 04:47 AM

You'd think that after years of playing this game that it's silly to open a thread like this, perhaps. But even after 5 and a half years, I just found a couple new things I've never seen before.

1). Kahreem found the Surilie Brother's house, and walked right in. The place is unlocked. On the downstairs table is some sort of deed for furniture bought from Colovian Traders, similar to the deeds we get when we upgrade one of our char's homes. I've personally never seen one of deeds in an NPC's house.

2). There's a door on the second floor of Two Sister's Lodge, if you walk through this door you are now on a balcony outside of the inn. Look across the street, and there's another balcony, and this belongs to the Surilies. It's possible to jump from one balcony to the next. Small detail, but it's something I've never done before. Kinda neat.

Kahreem used both balconies to keep watch on Bernadette Peneles's house from a safe distance.


Posted by: Acadian Jun 28 2014, 01:55 PM

Nice idea for a thread, Renee! Buffy gets excited every time she finds a waterfall but I'm confident we have them all noted.

I think her latest 'new' discovery was http://i.imgur.com/gYMbx2N.jpg that she discovered within a vanilla fort a couple months ago.

The name of the fort:

Posted by: Lopov Jun 28 2014, 03:05 PM

Oh, bunk beds, I also discovered them with Raven for the first time in the previous year, I had to check whether they are a part of some mod because I used a few that altered forts' interiors - it was nice to find out that they're vanilla.


Posted by: mirocu Jun 28 2014, 03:34 PM

Canīt remember if Lothran has found the deed at Surilie and the bunk beds but itīs very possible he did that long ago smile.gif

Like I said in the update threads, I just recently met the son to the count of Bravil! After 2000 hours itīs such a treat to meet someone you really havenīt talked to before! IPB Image

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jun 29 2014, 01:36 AM

Bunk beds??? ohmy.gif Wow. And the naysayers try to claim Oblivion's lairs are nothing but cut 'n' paste, the fools!

Kahreem met the Bravil Count's son awhile back, after finding the guy in a skooma den. I suppose Lothie doesn't break into skooma dens too often, eh? biggrin.gif


Posted by: mirocu Jun 29 2014, 04:08 PM

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Jun 29 2014, 02:36 AM) *

Kahreem met the Bravil Count's son awhile back, after finding the guy in a skooma den. I suppose Lothie doesn't break into skooma dens too often, eh? biggrin.gif

Nope, http://i.imgur.com/4JSujQF.jpg biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jun 30 2014, 12:59 AM

http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Imperial_Bridge_Inn. It's in the middle of nowhere, right alongside a river. I'm almost positive I've never been here before, even with Saga. It's so new to me, I was unsure if it's added by a mod or not. UESP definitely lists it in the vanilla game, though.


Posted by: Acadian Jun 30 2014, 01:19 AM

Renee, initially I was surprised you had not encountered this inn before. Then I remember that you probably have your patented no-compass/tape mod in effect. wink.gif

Posted by: Lopov Jun 30 2014, 08:24 AM

It's not really a new thing but I know for certain that there's at least one settlement I've never been to. It is located somewhere west of a road leading to Bruma and if I remember correctly from reading about it on the UESP, it's a part of some Daedric quest. Well, so far, none of my charcters found this place.

Posted by: SubRosa Jun 30 2014, 01:46 PM

I know the one you mean. If you take the road north to Bruma, it is off to the left, nestled against a cliff side. I think there is only one path into the town. Bleaker's Way! That's the name.

Posted by: ghastley Jun 30 2014, 01:56 PM

That piece of the map looks like it was revised and the road in and out obliterated. There's a cave nearby called "Unmarked Cave" which is almost entirely inaccessible (locked doors with no key etc.) - believed part of a unfinished/deleted quest. At least the shrine associated is reachable!

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jul 4 2014, 03:27 AM

Oh wow, I knew of Bleaker's Way (I love this hidden hamlet), but did not know of the Unmarked Cave. Weird.

QUOTE(Acadian @ Jun 29 2014, 08:19 PM) *

Renee, initially I was surprised you had not encountered this inn before. Then I remember that you probably have your patented no-compass/tape mod in effect. wink.gif


On PC, my electrical tape mod has now become a high-fangled combination of two mods: No Compass POI (this gets rid of the GPS effect which automatically detects different settlements, caves, ruins, etc.) and HUD Status Bars. HUD Status Bars allows an option to change the compass to 4 different options: Vanilla, Skyrim, Darnified, and ... one other option I'm forgetting. I think. I can't get rid of it entirely, but I chose HUD's Darnified Compass option, which changes the rectangular compass into a circular device, like an ordinary compass.

I love it. It's damn-near useless now, that compass on the bottom of my screen! No more directions, no more quest locations, no more automatic locating of buildings & caves. Finally! .. I will have to post a pic to show you all what I mean.

On-topic: one of the new places I've been with Renee recently is Sage Glen Hollow. It's a cave that the Renee Power Trio did not investigate too thoroughly, but it's got a name that's unusual for Cyrodiil. Usually caves are 'Haunted" or "Abandoned" or "Cursed". Sage Glen Hollow sounds like an aromatherapy shop. Or a pleasant suburb full of cookie-cutter homes.

Posted by: mirocu Jul 4 2014, 10:00 AM

Last night I found The Importance of Where. First time I see this book! laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jul 16 2014, 12:31 AM

Ha! Just learned what Rally is for. Stopping NPCs who flee, including those who see us committing crimes. This is one of those spells none of mine have never used. :yes:

There was also an Imperial Forester following Renee and her crew as they walked from Bravil to Pell's Gate. This forester seems to have been affected by MMM because every time Renee stopped, the forester stopped. He would then draw his bow or make some other action, and act as if he were searching for something. If Renee walked, the forester would walk. She did not attempt to add him to her party (via CM Partners) matter of fact, CMP doesn't even give us an option to hire guards.

Anyways, the 'new thing' was this. When Renee got close to the forester he said "Shhh, you'll spook the deer." rollinglaugh.gif This is vanilla too. He had the vanilla Imperial voice.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jul 30 2014, 12:37 AM

This one is a New Thing added by mods.

I've got MMM's farm animals option ticked on. Tonight Saga is heading back toward Skingrad, and there was a cow running around at full speed. Freaked out about something! .. There were no enemies nearby though. Anyways, the cow runs toward one of the vineyards, and winds up just STOPPING all-the-sudden. It stopped, and started eating some grass. I thought 'huh, that's strange'.

But it got stranger. Tilmo and one of the grape-pickers start running towards the cow. Tilmo starts beating on it with his fists, and the other guy starts shooting arrows at it. blink.gif I'm thinking what the [censored]??


Posted by: SubRosa Jul 30 2014, 01:13 AM

Well, I guess now we know how a pregnant cow moves... wink.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jul 30 2014, 10:07 PM

That woulda been so funny, if one of the NPCs actually said that. You moooove like a pregnant cow! Aw, that would have been too much.

Posted by: King Coin Aug 2 2014, 06:12 PM

Hidden Lake within Sideways cave. Hard to believe I wouldn't have run into that before, perhaps I merely forgot. Anyways, went in there today and was shocked to find more.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Aug 3 2014, 11:58 AM

I've only been in Sideways Cave once. smile.gif It was awhile back so I don't remember much about it, but I know a lot of people rave about that location.

Here is my New Thing of the day. http://i.imgur.com/JTqCFs6.png?1. Trenus is the skooma-addicted son of the Bravil count. Look at Trenus's shoes though. rollinglaugh.gif Seems maybe he doesn't mind wearing women's flats. laugh.gif

That's from my PC game, so at first I thought this might be mod-related, but in this game (Snaaty's game) there is no Better Cities. Better Cities is the only possible mod which could affect Trenus, I believe. So it makes me wonder if he also wears those shoes in my Xbox games.

Posted by: Grits Aug 3 2014, 03:53 PM

Renee, I checked and Trenus does wear the Russet Felt Shoes. That’s quite a fashion statement! Kind of a little reward for checking out Cyrodiil’s underbelly. laugh.gif

Posted by: mirocu Aug 3 2014, 04:08 PM

The mod level of Reneeīs game always feels like a new thing to me... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Acadian Aug 3 2014, 04:08 PM

I think Manheim Maulhand's choice of trousers at the Inn of Ill Omen takes top honors for fashion statements.

Of course Schlera Cestius at Pell's Gate gets notable mention in the 'What Not to Wear' category as well for somehow thinking a skirt makes a good complement to a cuirass. laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Aug 3 2014, 06:28 PM

Ha ha yeah you are right Acadian! And mirocu yeah, I'm still adding. I've probably doubled my original 40 mod goal by now. Can't help it!

QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 3 2014, 10:53 AM) *

Renee, I checked and Trenus does wear the Russet Felt Shoes. That’s quite a fashion statement! Kind of a little reward for checking out Cyrodiil’s underbelly. laugh.gif

Hey, whatever floats his boat. smile.gif

Posted by: Grits Aug 5 2014, 01:38 AM

Indeed. I mean, I’ve seen conjurors wearing green velvet shoes with a blue mage’s robe. I always assumed that being Altmers they were too tall to see their feet, but I suppose they just like it that way. smile.gif


Posted by: Acadian Aug 5 2014, 03:06 AM

Yes! Conjurors wearing blue robes and green shoes! ohmy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/cXtjnsS.jpg is Buffy's small contribution to keeping Cyrodiil free of such fashion faux pas. wink.gif

Posted by: SubRosa Aug 5 2014, 03:16 AM

The fashion assassin is on the loose! laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Aug 6 2014, 07:25 PM

laugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif laugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif laugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif

I have a New Thing but I'll have to get it arranged first. Another silly pic.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Aug 23 2014, 12:14 AM

Vanilla: I heard a dark elf male say "Greetings my Dunmer sister" in Cheydinhal! ... Such a simple greeting, but I've never heard it before.

Mods: I noticed the All Natural mod (which introduces the ability to see weather effects from indoors) put a bit of rain on the inside of the Cheydinhal Bridge Inn. I simply RP'd that the roof is leaky! smile.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Aug 28 2014, 01:25 AM

Mods: MMM adds all sorts of rats and even mice. The mice usually shows up after we've killed an NPC or creature. If we pass this NPC or creature several hours later, it'll often be surrounded by little mice, which I assume are feasting on the dead body. tongue.gif

That's one new thing. Another new thing: if we step on one of these mice, it'll go SQUAK really loud, and this is because we've just stepped on its head, and now it's been crushed. sad.gif But that's actually kinda neat because it means MMM's authors actually managed to make our feet do something (other than stand, walk, or run).


Posted by: SubRosa Aug 28 2014, 02:17 AM

The reminds me of the Shrink Ray from the old Duke Nukem 3d game. After you shot someone with it and shrank them down, you could run over and step on them. It was an instant kill, and made a squishing sound when you did it. It was lots of fun in multiplayer.

Posted by: mirocu Aug 28 2014, 03:57 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Aug 28 2014, 03:17 AM) *

The reminds me of the Shrink Ray from the old Duke Nukem 3d game. After you shot someone with it and shrank them down, you could run over and step on them. It was an instant kill, and made a squishing sound when you did it. It was lots of fun in multiplayer.

Never played multi but that gun is a fun idea. Especially while stomping and you hit the key combo that makes him say "Youīre an inspiration for birth control" laugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Sep 7 2014, 12:37 AM

So my Redguard is in the Pale Lady's hideout, which has bottles of human blood everywhere. My new thing of the day, I didn't know there are wine bottles filled with blood. indifferent.gif

Another one: Lady Saga was hiding in some cave when a conjurer walked by her. She was slow at getting her crossbow set up, and missed the guy. The conjurer did not notice he had walked by her. And here's the part I've never seen before. When he walked by for the second time, he cast a healing spell when he got right beside her. This allowed him some extra light, and he caught Saga crouched in darkness. ohmy.gif

I didn't know spells count as light sources for NPCs. For us, yes, but I didn't know NPCs could use these are sources of light.

Posted by: mirocu Sep 7 2014, 04:03 PM

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Sep 7 2014, 01:37 AM) *

So my Redguard is in the Pale Lady's hideout, which has bottles of human blood everywhere. My new thing of the day, I didn't know there are wine bottles filled with blood. indifferent.gif

Either I missed this or simply forgot about it.

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Sep 7 2014, 01:37 AM) *

Another one: Lady Saga was hiding in some cave when a conjurer walked by her. She was slow at getting her crossbow set up, and missed the guy. The conjurer did not notice he had walked by her. And here's the part I've never seen before. When he walked by for the second time, he cast a healing spell just as he walked by. This allowed him some extra light, and he caught Saga sitting in darkness. ohmy.gif

I didn't know spells count as light sources for NPCs. For us, yes, but I didn't know NPCs could use these are sources of light.

Now this was interesting. As you say, itīs not strange that we can use it as a light source, but the fact they could too was definitely new to me too smile.gif

Posted by: McBadgere Sep 13 2014, 06:54 PM

I'd never noticed the autumn colours on the trees along the Orange Road...So beautiful...It seemed to be late afternoon so as I passed the trees, the sunlight kept doing that shade/blinding/shade thing...So beautiful...Don't recall ever seeing that before...

Fair dues Bethesda...Fair dues...

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Sep 14 2014, 01:02 AM

Heavenly, aren't they, those fall colors?

I just discovered SetActorFullName on the console. laugh.gif I couldn't believe it. I named my elf's horse 'Pasquid' which is the first word popping into my mind. Soon as I saw the horse now has its own in-game name I flipped. Started laughing really hard!

Then I turned to Saga's companions. Saga's still got Maglir with her, but since Parwen left the group (RP stuff) now Saga has a generic, respawning Imperial Legion Forester with her. I like this actually. This guy is strong, he's got lots of health, and is a good marksman + swordfighter. And if he dies, I don't have to feel conflicted about it. He's generic, not truly named. Or at least, not until now.

I decided to name him Marcus I. Seddsoh. rollinglaugh.gif It just cracks me up, not just giving him a silly name, but seeing his name show up on my screen whenever Saga turns to speak to him. laugh.gif

Posted by: mirocu Sep 14 2014, 01:45 PM

Lol. Renee going nuts with the console is always fun to read about tongue.gif

Posted by: McBadgere Sep 14 2014, 02:11 PM

The stars!!!...Planets!!!...Galactic centres!!!...Awwww this game gets better the more I play it... laugh.gif ...

Posted by: haute ecole rider Sep 14 2014, 06:52 PM

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Sep 13 2014, 12:54 PM) *

I'd never noticed the autumn colours on the trees along the Orange Road...So beautiful...It seemed to be late afternoon so as I passed the trees, the sunlight kept doing that shade/blinding/shade thing...So beautiful...Don't recall ever seeing that before...

Fair dues Bethesda...Fair dues...


Yes one of the things Beth did well was the climate changes with latitude in Oblivion - how we go from muggy early summer weather in Leyawiin to hot dry late summer in Anvil to fall around Chorrol and Cheydinhal.

And let's not forget spring in Bravil and IC as well as winter in the Jeralls/Bruma.

I've always loved the lighting in the game, and how it changes with time. One of our favorite moments with Julian was the time we spent waiting for the Shade of the Revenant to appear. The sunsets from that location high in the Valus can only be beat by sunrise from the gate tower of CRT. I love how the light changes so smoothly, and the shadows so subtly, that it was the first thing I missed in Skyrim (ever notice that the shadows jump as time passes?).

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Sep 14 2014, 08:45 PM

I can still remember the first time I saw one of those Shade of Revenant light beams. There's a fort or ruins about halfway between Anvil and Skingrad, and I saw this purple beam coming down from the sky. I had no idea what it was.


Posted by: Callidus Thorn Sep 18 2014, 12:14 PM

Came across a double whammy of newness today;

I was running Drydin Sarethi through the tutorial. In the first ambush he got one of the assassins, and in the last he got another. As he was looting the bodies Glenroy was apparently close enough to trigger him saying something. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it started with; "you handled yourself pretty well back there". When Dridyn looked, Glenroy was actually smiling! ohmy.gif

Also, Baurus actually managed to guess that Drydin is indeed a mage. Only time he's been right in my games. laugh.gif

Posted by: Acadian Sep 18 2014, 12:42 PM

Heh, I've never seen Glenroy smile either, CT. Oh, that's funny about Baurus. Perhaps with 21 classes to choose from Baurus gets it right roughly every 21 attempts? You know, like a stopped clock is right twice a day? tongue.gif

Posted by: SubRosa Sep 18 2014, 04:10 PM

Usually the only thing I hear Glenroy say is "Kill her! She might be one the assassins!" Anything else would be most welcome!

Baurus got it right! Now that is remarkable as well. I guess like Acadian said, he is bound to be right at least twice a day.

Posted by: haute ecole rider Sep 18 2014, 06:03 PM

I did hear Glenroy compliment Julian once in the tutorial, but I couldn't see his face (bad angle) so I missed if he was smiling or not. That was when I decided to portray him a little more sympathetically in OHDH.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Sep 28 2014, 01:39 AM

Another new one. smile.gif There is a well in the outside portion of Castle Skingrad's courtyard. I noticed it said 'Open Stone Well' when Kahreem (Xbox) walked by. So I clicked on this well and it actually is a container we can store things in. Wow. Had no idea.

I tried going on UESP to see if it's safe to store stuff in there, but couldn't find any info. Would be cool if this is so though.


Posted by: Renee Gade IV Oct 14 2014, 12:50 AM

Slash 'n' Smash sells clubs???? I didn't know anybody does until Renee recently visited the place. I guess it's because a lot of my chars never go in there. An orc runs the place, after all. Renee doesn't care about the orc though, she just wants one of her BIG weapons. Anyways, I had no idea that anybody sells clubs.

Another thing: Renee went into Three Brothers Merchandise and ALL THREE of them were actually there!


Posted by: Callidus Thorn Oct 14 2014, 08:49 AM

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Sep 28 2014, 01:39 AM) *

Another new one. smile.gif There is a well in the outside portion of Castle Skingrad's courtyard. I noticed it said 'Open Stone Well' when Kahreem (Xbox) walked by. So I clicked on this well and it actually is a container we can store things in. Wow. Had no idea.

I tried going on UESP to see if it's safe to store stuff in there, but couldn't find any info. Would be cool if this is so though.


Considering that well is one of the dead drop sites for the DB, I'd imagine it's safe to use.

*Goes digging through Uespwiki*

Based on http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion_talk:Containers/Archive_1#Dead_Drops it seems all the dead drop sites are safe to use.

A little late to the party though...

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Oct 14 2014, 01:10 PM

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Oct 14 2014, 03:49 AM) *

A little late to the party though...

It's okay, thanks for your input CT.

Posted by: mirocu Oct 14 2014, 01:24 PM

I didnīt know that well was Scratch that, I did know it was safe for storage. Lothran tested it some time ago by dropping a personal item in it and it was still there one year later smile.gif

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Nov 4 2014, 12:56 AM

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Fort_Rayles. This place is packed with new things. This is not the spoiler forum so I have to tag this. There two statues in the entry hall, and two locked gates. I noticed the statues had these green emerald-looking things in their heads, so that's the first new thing. The second? I couldn't figure out how to get past these two gates. There were two silver arrows nearby, but I wasn't able to put two and two together so I cheated on UESP.



And there were a few other weird things in this fort, but I'm forgetting them now.

Posted by: Acadian Nov 4 2014, 02:21 AM

Yes, Ft Rayles is very neat. I think it's the only dungeon in OB that has bunkbeds! http://i.imgur.com/gYMbx2N.jpg

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Nov 4 2014, 04:02 AM

Ah yes, bunkbeds. That's what I was forgetting earlier.

Posted by: mirocu Nov 4 2014, 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Acadian @ Nov 4 2014, 02:21 AM) *

Yes, Ft Rayles is very neat. I think it's the only dungeon in OB that has bunkbeds! http://i.imgur.com/gYMbx2N.jpg

Thatīs a neat place but geez, itīs a very long time since Lothran was there! wacko.gif


Nice to see Cyrodilic Buffy again btw biggrin.gif

Posted by: mALX Nov 4 2014, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Nov 4 2014, 12:01 PM) *

QUOTE(Acadian @ Nov 4 2014, 02:21 AM) *

Yes, Ft Rayles is very neat. I think it's the only dungeon in OB that has bunkbeds! http://i.imgur.com/gYMbx2N.jpg

Thatīs a neat place but geez, itīs a very long time since Lothran was there! wacko.gif


Nice to see Cyrodilic Buffy again btw biggrin.gif



Agreed with seeing Cyrodiilic Buffy! Actually, I was in Fort Rayles just a few months back. It is a really enjoyable dungeon.



Posted by: Renee Gade IV Nov 15 2014, 03:36 AM

Lady Saga and I just witnessed Erthor walking from the Skingrad Mage's Guild back to Bleak Flats Cave. Saga did the quest to fetch him long ago, so it's funny to see him return to BFC.

Posted by: Acadian Nov 15 2014, 04:18 AM

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Nov 14 2014, 06:36 PM) *

Lady Saga and I just witnessed Erthor walking from the Skingrad Mage's Guild back to Bleak Flats Cave. Saga did the quest to fetch him long ago, so it's funny to see him return to BFC.


I agree. Even though we have him recruited via CSR and have told him to remain at the guild, sometimes he still wanders back to BFC. I may be wrong, but I think he actually comes and goes between BFC and the guild on a weekly schedule - not sure on that though. It just seems that sometimes he's in BFC and sometimes he's at the guild when we visit Skingrad.

Posted by: Lopov Nov 15 2014, 08:02 AM

Yes, it's definitely true that after completing the quest, Erthor has a schedule in which he spends some days in the guild and some in the cave. I remember this because my former character Raven thought that he could use the cave for himself once Erthor is gone. Then one day when he woke up in the cave, wearing only his loincloth, he heard a rather annoying voice close to him saying "Well met!". biggrin.gif I found this situation so funny back then that I wrote a http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1472797-character-updates-8/?p=23036738 about it.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Nov 16 2014, 01:37 AM

Ah, Raven! smile.gif Those were the days, when Raven was around. That's funny how that story showed up right after Leydenne reopened that thread, too!

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Dec 21 2014, 05:16 PM

After all these years I have finally found some wild tinder polypore mushrooms, growing on a tree. I thought these are like oranges: we can buy them, but not harvest.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jan 18 2015, 02:54 AM

Black horses owned by the Black Horse Couriers will not just walk away if we dismount them, since they haven't got a 'home' to return to.


Posted by: Acadian Jan 18 2015, 03:05 AM

QUOTE(Renee Gade IV @ Jan 17 2015, 05:54 PM) *

Black horses owned by the Black Horse Couriers will not just walk away if we dismount them, since they haven't got a 'home' to return to.


Wow, I knew that stolen bay horses (including Legion ones) would not walk away when dismounted, but this is a neat and new find (about the black BHC horses) for me too, Renee! It does makes sense though for, as you say, they have no home.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Jan 18 2015, 04:08 AM

Yah, it's pretty cool, Kahreem has his own black horse! .. I think the BHC lady got killed or something, I don't think it's considered stealing if he rides her horse then. Not sure though, he hasn't mounted this horse in front of anybody else yet.

The only problem is I think legion horses respawn. They will eventually disappear, even if their riders (guards) get killed. sad.gif


Posted by: Acadian Jan 18 2015, 04:42 AM

I know (on the Legion horses). Buffy still casts a low level/high duration command creature spell on the horses of fallen Legion soldiers and escorts them to the nearest stable. Even though we know they'll just respawn anyway. I can't recall if riding the black horse of a fallen courier is stealing or not though.

Edit: Trivia from Buffy lore. In the game, there are four BHC riders, all Breton women. In Buffy's world, we have taken the liberty of adding the following details:
Three of them ride stallions - Miliele (featured in Episode 49 of Buffy's Journal), Surani (featured in Episode 94), and Lielle. The fourth courier (Rianele) rides a mare.


Posted by: mirocu Jan 18 2015, 09:15 AM

I would believe that riding a horse from a dead Courier is still considered stealing. Though I donīt have anything to back that up, itīs just a feeling I have.


Better be careful, Kahreem... wink.gif

Posted by: mirocu Mar 22 2015, 04:28 PM

One thing I have noticed is that a few NPCs have always something new to say if you click Rumors. Most say the usual guff and never change from the generic, but Narina Carvain in Bruma and Fadus Calidius in Skingrad usually have something original to say. It cycles too of course but I havenīt heard anyone else say what theyīve said.

Just yesterday I heard Fadus say "No thanks. Wandering the wilderness waiting for something to eat me, looking for gold in a hole. You think Iīm a dope?"


Btw sorry for not putting that in the appropriate thread but I thought to put the example here laugh.gif

Posted by: Acadian Mar 22 2015, 10:38 PM

Wow, that must be really a neat surprise when Lothran hears something new in the rumors category. Does he ever, once in a great while, still discover new locations or have they all been found? I've thought numerous times that Buffy had found all locations, then sure enough, she gets the delightful surprise of a new discovery! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Renee Mar 24 2015, 01:27 AM

That's awesome crow!

Posted by: Renee Mar 28 2015, 06:26 AM

Wow.

So I just encountered M'aiq the Liar, simply standing on the docks of Anvil. Every time I've ever seen him, if I managed to see him at all, he's always running. You don't know how weird it is to finally speak to this khajiit.


Posted by: mirocu Mar 28 2015, 08:43 AM

He was standing on the docks? I always only see him outside the front gate.

What you described is like with the Black Horse Couriers; sometimes they just stand there and unless you talk to them and thus make them ride away, I guess they could stand there forever! laugh.gif

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 28 2015, 05:05 PM

I have often times seen Maiq standing outside Anvil's northern gate. But I don't think I have ever seen him at the docks.

Posted by: Renee Mar 28 2015, 06:43 PM

He must have been on those docks because RG3's game has Open Cities, which means he can now enter town. But even so, it was weird to see him not running, for once. And actually, after my character spoke to him, he began walking away, instead of running.


Posted by: mirocu Mar 28 2015, 09:39 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 28 2015, 06:43 PM) *

after my character spoke to him, he began walking away, instead of running.

Heīs finally become tired after all that running laugh.gif

Posted by: gpstr Mar 29 2015, 12:21 AM

Just last night I found, or more accurately was directed to, a dungeon I'm pretty sure I hadn't been in before - Outlaw Endre's Cave. I downloaded some of Nicorishi's custom bows yesterday, and that's where one of them was placed. It's doubly surprising because it's not particularly remote - it's between the Orange and Red Roads, north/northwest of Aleswell. It's actually just a bit east/southeast (though quite a bit downhill) from a cabin I built near the Orange Road, but I guess I've just never gone through that particular stretch of forest before.

Kind of a neat bandit cave, though no Endre, Outlaw or otherwise.

Posted by: Renee Mar 29 2015, 04:42 AM

I've been keeping yet another Notepad page of all the places Lady Saga has been (since she's my primary explorer) and Outlaw Endre's is not on there. That name's ringing a bell though; so one of mine must have been there in the past.


Posted by: gpstr Apr 6 2015, 09:33 PM

I saw, or more accurately heard, something I'd never seen/heard before last night.

I was traveling with Belladonna. She was auto-walking through the IC, on her way to the AU to deliver the Dwemer artifacts to Bothiel. As she came through the door from the Talos Plaza district to the Temple district- literally at the moment that she was between cells - I heard someone say, "Huh... must've been the wind."

When I got my bearings on the other side of the door, I saw that Audens Avidius was standing there.

All I can figure is that he was primed to "detect" her when he moved into the next cell, but she moved out of that cell just as he was about to move into it. So he lost track of her and switched to one of the failed detection messages. 'Least that's my guess.

Just to finish the story off - he didn't respond at all at first, and since Belladonna was auto-walking, and in universe, she likely didn't recognize him, she just walked past him. He just stood there for a moment, then suddenly drew his dagger, took one step toward her, then turned around and attacked the guard at the door. So she stopped and watched, naturally, and I'm assuming that she didn't even know who it was until it was all over.

Posted by: mirocu Apr 6 2015, 09:44 PM

You mean you heard it at the loading screen? Never encountered that before.

What cause him to attack the guard? Had Belladonna done the quest or did it happen anyway?

Posted by: gpstr Apr 7 2015, 01:24 AM

No - it wasn't a long enough break that there even was a loading screen. It was just a normal door transition - maybe... I don't know... two seconds? Three? It couldn't have been much more than that, if even that.

When I heard the voice, she was definitely in "limbo" between the cells, but I would assume that that means that it was actually triggered right as she activated the door and just played while she was "in" the door. At least that makes sense to me. The way it happened from my point of view - just bang, bang, bang, right in a row - is she activated the door, then I heard the voice and had just enough time to wonder about it, then she appeared in the Temple cell and there was Audens, in front of her and a little to the right, and facing her. And since she was auto walking, she just walked right past him while I digested all of that. Then I stopped her and turned her around and Audens was just standing there, still in the same spot, still facing the door. Then he suddenly started moving - turned around, took a step or two toward her and pulled his dagger, then just as suddenly turned back around and started fighting the guard.

I assume he attacked the guard because the guard pulled his sword. He wasn't more than a couple of paces away from the guard (I think he was literally still on the steps), so though I didn't note it for certain, I'm sure the guard pulled his sword immediately after Audens pulled his dagger.

Belladonna (and I) just stood there and watched.

And yeah - it was the scheduled visit from Audens. It was just a particularly strange variation on it.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 7 2015, 02:02 AM

Ahh, so to avoid giving out any spoilers, Audens was no longer acting in an official capacity at that time then? wink.gif That makes a lot more sense. I think the game just spawns him wherever you are at the appropriate time, and that just happened to be at that spot when Bella went through the area transition. That is some timing though!

Posted by: mALX Apr 7 2015, 04:41 AM

QUOTE(gpstr @ Apr 6 2015, 04:33 PM) *

I saw, or more accurately heard, something I'd never seen/heard before last night.

I was traveling with Belladonna. She was auto-walking through the IC, on her way to the AU to deliver the Dwemer artifacts to Bothiel. As she came through the door from the Talos Plaza district to the Temple district- literally at the moment that she was between cells - I heard someone say, "Huh... must've been the wind."

When I got my bearings on the other side of the door, I saw that Audens Avidius was standing there.

All I can figure is that he was primed to "detect" her when he moved into the next cell, but she moved out of that cell just as he was about to move into it. So he lost track of her and switched to one of the failed detection messages. 'Least that's my guess.

Just to finish the story off - he didn't respond at all at first, and since Belladonna was auto-walking, and in universe, she likely didn't recognize him, she just walked past him. He just stood there for a moment, then suddenly drew his dagger, took one step toward her, then turned around and attacked the guard at the door. So she stopped and watched, naturally, and I'm assuming that she didn't even know who it was until it was all over.



Audens will stalk you even inside your home once that quest ends + 10 days or something. But because he is an escaped prisoner intent on murdering the Player, the guards chase him down if you are in town, and will attack him. Since he is not armored and only carries a dagger, it doesn't take much to kill him.

Since he stalks you everywhere no matter where you go, I like to take him to really vile places or Oblivion worlds, get in chameleon and stay just a bit in front of him so he has to fight every beast that would normally attack you. Or if you have a high agility you can climb a mountainside and he will slide off trying to catch you, lol.

Oh, how I love having a stalker in the game, they are so much fun!



Posted by: gpstr Apr 7 2015, 04:31 PM

Yeah - I've had some odd encounters with Audens over the years. My favorite was when he came after a character in an Ayleid ruin with poison traps in it. I heard him coming, grunting and groaning as he took poison damage. He made it to the character, but had just a sliver of health left.

This one though - it wasn't so much that it was Audens - it was just that precise timing and the result. Like I said in the first post, all I can assume is that the game was tracking Audens' detection of Belladonna and had moved him up to the next stage, preparing him to fully detect her, when she went through the door, and the cell change broke the detection, and that's why he did the "Must've been the wind" line, just like any other NPC does when they almost but not quite detect the PC. And it was just weird that it was triggered at just the right moment so that I heard it while she was between cells..

Posted by: gpstr Apr 12 2015, 07:34 PM

Traveling with Lemdel the Altmer barbarian this morning and I saw something I don't recall seeing before. It wasn't really bizarre - just a bit odd and amusing.

He had been to Frostfire Glade and came pretty much straight down out of the mountains, so he came out on the Ring Road, northeast of the IC, between the Roxey Inn and Fort Chalman. He was making his way around to the east and south, and planning on taking the east bridge in to the IC (one of the additional bridges from Roads of Cyrodiil - it lines up with the road to Cheydinhal). So, he'd made it around past Fort Chalman and was heading south, when a sheep came down out of the hills to his left and ran across the road in front of him.

I was trying to figure out where a sheep would've come from and what it was doing - my first thought was that it was trying to catch up with the rest of its flock (like you sometimes see them doing outside Skingrad), but there's no flock out in that field and... and then a Clannfear came down out of the hills after it. So the sheep was running away from a Clannfear.

So what else could I do? Lemdel started chasing the Clannfear, just to see what happened. It was sort of funny-looking too - like Pepe LePew in the old Warner Bros. cartoons - the sheep running as hard as it could, little legs just churning away, and the Clannfear doing that long, slow, ground-eating stride after it. The Clannfear never did catch up to it though, and it finally lost track of it and stopped. So Lemdel waited a while to make sure it was over, then killed it and that was that.

Like I said, just sort of odd and amusing...

Posted by: mirocu Apr 12 2015, 08:05 PM

Isnīt it fun when odd things like that happen? tongue.gif

Posted by: mALX Apr 15 2015, 05:28 AM

QUOTE(gpstr @ Apr 7 2015, 11:31 AM) *

Yeah - I've had some odd encounters with Audens over the years. My favorite was when he came after a character in an Ayleid ruin with poison traps in it. I heard him coming, grunting and groaning as he took poison damage. He made it to the character, but had just a sliver of health left.

This one though - it wasn't so much that it was Audens - it was just that precise timing and the result. Like I said in the first post, all I can assume is that the game was tracking Audens' detection of Belladonna and had moved him up to the next stage, preparing him to fully detect her, when she went through the door, and the cell change broke the detection, and that's why he did the "Must've been the wind" line, just like any other NPC does when they almost but not quite detect the PC. And it was just weird that it was triggered at just the right moment so that I heard it while she was between cells..



If they are stalking you, even in full 100% chameleon, they can "see you." During loading screens, your character is disabled, but the NPC's chasing you are not. They can attack you during a loading screen, but unless it takes an inordinate amount of time (or you were injured going through the door) - you normally don't die from it.

I had the 6 Bleak Mine guards stalking my character through Oblivion worlds, and was on the second one and there were still 6 guards - they are really tough in combat!

When that gate was crashing and my controls disabled I heard a sword leave its sheath. When the gate finished crashing and I came out on the other side, my health was WAY down. I ended up running for my life because they spawned right around me, and even though I was in full chameleon they targeted me. I ran into Skingrad and let the guards take them down.

The Bleak Mine guards are 6 levels above the Player, and for me to be doing Oblivion gates I was at least level 17 because I wait till then to start them for the better sigil stones. The Bleak Mine guards stalking me fought through 2 Oblivion gates and were still pursuing me when I ran into Skingrad; they hadn't lost a man.

I really enjoy the stalkers, it adds so much fun to the game - one of the things I like so much about Fallout 3, the Talon Company Mercs showing up with those Writs of Assassination in their inventory; and they show up with 3-6 men to surprise attack you as soon as you step out of a dungeon - I love that! It makes the game more fun, I think.






Posted by: Renee Apr 15 2015, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 15 2015, 12:28 AM) *

I really enjoy the stalkers, it adds so much fun to the game - one of the things I like so much about Fallout 3, the Talon Company Mercs showing up with those Writs of Assassination in their inventory; and they show up with 3-6 men to surprise attack you as soon as you step out of a dungeon - I love that! It makes the game more fun, I think.

My first experience with stalker NPCs was in Skyrim. I'll never forget seeing my second character's name (Thor a'Zaene) printed up on some Assassination writs!


Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 19 2015, 08:27 PM

Until today I never knew that there's a chest in the tutorial dungeon with an average-level lock on it. Sal decided he wanted to have a look in a particular area, and there it was. Very cool.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 19 2015, 09:07 PM

Is that the one that is tucked into a hole in the wall, in the room with all the rats, and the iron warhammer in the center?

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Apr 19 2015, 09:26 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 19 2015, 09:07 PM) *

Is that the one that is tucked into a hole in the wall, in the room with all the rats, and the iron warhammer in the center?


Yup, over on the left. Because it's away from the stairs none of my characters ever looked over there.

Posted by: Lopov May 1 2015, 09:12 PM

1)I didn't know about a narrow underwater "path" located south of Amelion's tomb, connecting East Niben coast and the small island north of the Coast Guard Station. It's not much of a shortcut, but still. UESP says that http://obmap.uesp.net/?centeron=Amelion+Tombappears on this point during the MQ.

2)When doing the White Stallion questline, I usually waited for Black Brugo inside Telepe, I thought that he's scripted to appear there after midnight. However, this time I was waiting outside and spotted three figures approaching from the north. Turns out it was Black Brugo and his two bandits, so they must have a spawn point elsewhere.

3)I heard one of the NPCs say "Hooray" in conversation but I don't know what were they talking about and to what was this "Hooray" directed. Maybe I heard this reply before and I forgot about it, but it's definitely rare in my game.

Posted by: SubRosa May 1 2015, 09:23 PM

I did have an oblivion gate at #1 in one of my games. http://i.imgur.com/fKTF5n6.jpg

Posted by: Renee May 23 2015, 01:44 AM

^ Aww. *blush* ^

My elf has (or had) 40-something lockpics. She carries some lockpicks around, but she hardly uses them. Most of the time, she simply does not pick them up. She can open Average locks, so it's rare she needs to have anything better than this to help her unlock things.

She finds a chest with a Hard lock on it. She decides she's going to pick this lock, but since she doesn't know exactly how to pick locks, she winds up breaking a lot of these (while I press Auto-pick over and over).

My new thing of the day: it took about 30 attempts, and 30 broken lockpicks, before the Auto thingie finally worked! ohmy.gif I was astounded!

.. And what was inside? An iron helmet, 3 gold, and an onion. X(


Posted by: mALX May 23 2015, 02:14 AM

QUOTE(Lopov @ May 1 2015, 04:12 PM) *

1)I didn't know about a narrow underwater "path" located south of Amelion's tomb, connecting East Niben coast and the small island north of the Coast Guard Station. It's not much of a shortcut, but still. UESP says that http://obmap.uesp.net/?centeron=Amelion+Tombappears on this point during the MQ.




Wait, there is an underwater path there? I've never found it!

(but I have had that Oblivion gate there in all my games, I think it is one of the 10 fixed gates).



Posted by: haute ecole rider May 23 2015, 02:21 PM

Yup, that little gate failed to open twice in all my OB playthroughs. That's why it's a featured part of Julian's story.

Posted by: Renee May 30 2015, 08:34 AM

I don't know if this is anything of merit, but as I'm gaming with Kahreem tonight, I noticed that after he sat down in his pirate ship, and I began typing, he kept raising his hand to his mouth, as though he was stifling yawns. I realized it had been awhile since he had gotten any sleep.

... could be coincidence, but now that he's in the Bloated Float (next day, after much sleep) he's not yawning anymore.


Posted by: mALX May 30 2015, 02:30 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ May 30 2015, 03:34 AM) *

I don't know if this is anything of merit, but as I'm gaming with Kahreem tonight, I noticed that after he sat down in his pirate ship, and I began typing, he kept raising his hand to his mouth, as though he was stifling yawns. I realized it had been awhile since he had gotten any sleep.

... could be coincidence, but now that he's in the Bloated Float (next day, after much sleep) he's not yawning anymore.



He could have been eating, but I think yawning is a valid idle for NPC's. It may have a condition of "hours since slept" or time of day. If you use Personality Idles version 4 your Player character will also yawn or eat at appropriate times.





Posted by: mirocu May 30 2015, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ May 30 2015, 09:34 AM) *

I don't know if this is anything of merit, but as I'm gaming with Kahreem tonight, I noticed that after he sat down in his pirate ship, and I began typing, he kept raising his hand to his mouth, as though he was stifling yawns. I realized it had been awhile since he had gotten any sleep.

... could be coincidence, but now that he's in the Bloated Float (next day, after much sleep) he's not yawning anymore.

A mod?



Boy, that question was never an issue with Renee in ye ol days laugh.gif

Posted by: Acadian May 30 2015, 03:48 PM

Buffy will very rarely raise one hand to her mouth to stifle a yawn if left unattended for a time. Just a rarely seen vanilla idle.

Posted by: Lopov May 31 2015, 09:21 AM

As Acadian says, this animation is completely vanilla. Just like patting a horse and another animation which I can't properly describe in English but it's something like checking whether a weapon is buckled or not.

Posted by: Acadian May 31 2015, 12:51 PM

I'm guessing those rare idle animations only occur when certain conditions are met. Here's my theory:

Petting your horse. When you are on a horse (duh) and the horse is stopped. I do use a small mod that increases the frequency of all horse related animations, so horses are more active and Buffy pets Superian quite often.

Suppressing a yawn. Only when you are seated.

Checking the handle of your melee weapon. Standing with a melee weapon equipped. I think that explains why Buffy has never done this one (no melee weapons, evah). She does sometimes see guards doing it while they are standing around.

Posted by: Grits May 31 2015, 02:39 PM

I've seen Jerric check his sword hilt, but it's rare. He doesn't stand still very much. IPB Image

Posted by: Acadian May 31 2015, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(Grits @ May 31 2015, 06:39 AM) *

I've seen Jerric check his sword hilt, but it's rare. He doesn't stand still very much. IPB Image


Are you sure he's not just adjusting his privates? wink.gif


laugh.gif

Posted by: Grits May 31 2015, 04:05 PM

rollinglaugh.gif Well, he’s only using one hand…

Posted by: Renee May 31 2015, 07:02 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ May 30 2015, 09:30 AM) *

If you use Personality Idles version 4 your Player character will also yawn or eat at appropriate times.

No mods, his game is on Xbox. Anyways, this is going to be my thing with him from now on: I'll be watching to see if he yawns after a certain amount of time. biggrin.gif

Posted by: mALX May 31 2015, 09:50 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ May 31 2015, 02:02 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ May 30 2015, 09:30 AM) *

If you use Personality Idles version 4 your Player character will also yawn or eat at appropriate times.

No mods, his game is on Xbox. Anyways, this is going to be my thing with him from now on: I'll be watching to see if he yawns after a certain amount of time. biggrin.gif



That is so interesting! Until you brought this up I had no idea that was a vanilla idle for characters, I thought only NPC's did it!



Posted by: Renee May 31 2015, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ May 31 2015, 04:50 PM) *

That is so interesting! Until you brought this up I had no idea that was a vanilla idle for characters, I thought only NPC's did it!

My Redguard kept doing it, that's the part that was so weird. He kept stifling his yawn every 15 seconds or so. Never noticed anything like it. If it had happened in one of my PC games, chances are I would have assumed "ah, that's just some mod".

Posted by: mALX May 31 2015, 10:58 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ May 31 2015, 05:14 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ May 31 2015, 04:50 PM) *

That is so interesting! Until you brought this up I had no idea that was a vanilla idle for characters, I thought only NPC's did it!

My Redguard kept doing it, that's the part that was so weird. He kept stifling his yawn every 15 seconds or so. Never noticed anything like it. If it had happened in one of my PC games, chances are I would have assumed "ah, that's just some mod".



That is so amazing! I wonder now what the conditions are for that yawn idle to play (like you mentioned, lack of sleep - or like Acadian said, maybe must be sitting?) I'll try to remember to check it out next time I'm in the CS.

I'm really glad you mentioned this, because I had no idea about it!

Posted by: Renee Jun 5 2015, 01:33 PM

I am just discovering the awesomeness of the Acrobatics skill. This is one of those skills which has never gotten very high as I've gamed on consoles, mostly because my characters only jump when they absolutely have to. And it's rare they take a tumble from any sort of distance. None of my console games ever lasted longer than 350 hours, so unless I sat there and spammed jumping over and over again, this skill barely broke over Apprentice in most cases.

But Lady Saga's PC game is somewhere over 450 hours, and she jumps around quite a lot; she's supposed to have been some sort of dancer before becoming an adventurer. She's unafraid to jump from (let's say) a high ledge to a lower one, halfway across a room. And as her Acrobatics is finally past Journeyman, I'm finding that her jumping skills are getting to be downright Mario-ish. It's really fun!

Posted by: SubRosa Jun 5 2015, 02:29 PM

I love jumping around in Oblivion. I like jumping from one rock to another, and seeing how far I can get without touching the ground. Or jumping up on the stone fences, and leaping from one of those little square sections that stick up from the rest of the wall to the next. You can get like a superhero, and even change direction mid-jump.

Posted by: mALX Jun 5 2015, 03:01 PM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jun 5 2015, 09:29 AM) *

I love jumping around in Oblivion. I like jumping from one rock to another, and seeing how far I can get without touching the ground. Or jumping up on the stone fences, and leaping from one of those little square sections that stick up from the rest of the wall to the next. You can get like a superhero, and even change direction mid-jump.



Like a cat! (or maybe I should say like a Khajiit!)

Posted by: gpstr Aug 23 2015, 01:56 AM

Okay - I just discovered a fairly simple thing in this game that I'd never known before.

You know those big falling blade traps in Ayleid ruins? The things like enormous rusty razor blades on chains that periodically fall, then winch back up, then fall again?

I never knew until just the other day that it's possible to jump over one of them while it's down. I've always gotten past them by waiting until they're winched all the way up, then going underneath quickly before they can fall. But the other day, I ran into one that was over an elevated section that had collapsed, so there was no way to run underneath it, so, on a whim, I tried jumping over it instead, and it worked like a charm.

All the time I've wasted over the years standing there, waiting for a blade to winch up so I could duck under it...

Posted by: SubRosa Aug 23 2015, 02:10 AM

Nice to see you again gp'r!

Don't you take damage from the blades when you jump over them? I seem to recall taking damage when I just bumped up against them when they are down.

Posted by: Renee Aug 23 2015, 04:02 AM

Aww dang! Yes, we can jump over those, this is true. You have to be careful though. If you do it wrong (if you run towards one but don't press jump soon enough) your character can wind up taking some damage.

ninja'd by SubRosa ph34r.gif But like I was saying, if you do it right, you won't take damage.

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Aug 26 2015, 08:42 PM

Here's an odd one. (Well, I'm sure it's been noted before, but it's new to me.) I'm having to redo my installation from scratch (Ugh. Don't ask.), so watching the installation screenshots go by, I just realised that the Kvatch one has a guard riding a horse - inside the city. Suggests they maybe meant to make Kvatch an open city at one time. (I think this, like the other installation shots, also appears as a loading screen, but I hadn't noticed it there.)

Posted by: Renee Aug 27 2015, 12:25 PM

whoa I'll have to check that out.

In the vanilla game, there are sometimes horse sound-effects (sounds of hooves on cobblestones) but no actual horses. So yeah, maybe they meant for towns to be open, but since that wasn't going to happen, best they could do was some sound-effects.

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Sep 4 2015, 04:16 PM

Think I've got some oddities happening because I'm in the middle of a slow reinstall. I just encountered First Mate Malvulis wandering up to the Talos Plaza gate. She wandered over and, instead of the usual threats, sang me a cute little song about a Redguard Pirate. (I decided not to talk to her in case she got all nasty again, perhaps she's actually a nice enough person if not stuck on that dockside.)

But there's no AI for this. Looking in the CS, poor Malvulis has no AI other than hanging around within a couple of hundred units of the docks. And UESP does say she has that song, but I've never heard her sing it, and can't find it referenced in the CS. (Can't be my Idle Dialogues mod, or UESP wouldn't list it. And I haven't fired up any Imperial City mods yet.)

Bit of waste really, now I think of it. Oblivion could use a few more songs, doesn't even make the most of the ones it's got.

Posted by: mALX Sep 4 2015, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Sep 4 2015, 11:16 AM) *

Think I've got some oddities happening because I'm in the middle of a slow reinstall. I just encountered First Mate Malvulis wandering up to the Talos Plaza gate. She wandered over and, instead of the usual threats, sang me a cute little song about a Redguard Pirate. (I decided not to talk to her in case she got all nasty again, perhaps she's actually a nice enough person if not stuck on that dockside.)

But there's no AI for this. Looking in the CS, poor Malvulis has no AI other than hanging around within a couple of hundred units of the docks. And UESP does say she has that song, but I've never heard her sing it, and can't find it referenced in the CS. (Can't be my Idle Dialogues mod, or UESP wouldn't list it. And I haven't fired up any Imperial City mods yet.)

Bit of waste really, now I think of it. Oblivion could use a few more songs, doesn't even make the most of the ones it's got.



Malvulis did that to me once too! I had set up some chairs, tables, and food outside my IC Waterfront shack, and she wandered over and sang to me! It was one of those AWESOME game moments!!!!



Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Sep 5 2015, 11:50 AM

QUOTE(mALX @ Sep 4 2015, 06:53 PM) *



Malvulis did that to me once too! I had set up some chairs, tables, and food outside my IC Waterfront shack, and she wandered over and sang to me! It was one of those AWESOME game moments!!!!


Brill, it's likely just not one of my mods being a bit odd then. Weird, though, I still can't see any AI packages or scripts that could make her do that. Sometimes I think the game engine is haunted...

Posted by: mALX Sep 5 2015, 03:55 PM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Sep 5 2015, 06:50 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Sep 4 2015, 06:53 PM) *



Malvulis did that to me once too! I had set up some chairs, tables, and food outside my IC Waterfront shack, and she wandered over and sang to me! It was one of those AWESOME game moments!!!!


Brill, it's likely just not one of my mods being a bit odd then. Weird, though, I still can't see any AI packages or scripts that could make her do that. Sometimes I think the game engine is haunted...



Her wandering further than her spot is something like Count Skingrad's wandering into caves and as far as Bravil - it is like their wander package glitches its boundaries or something (or maybe has no boundaries).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxmhFIGTplE




Er, notice he is also outside in daylight?









Posted by: Renee Sep 6 2015, 01:56 AM

Wow, how neat! I can't say I've ever heard her do anything but taunt any of mine, Taunting, insulting, I had no idea she sings.

I wonder if that's a disposition thing?


Posted by: SubRosa Sep 6 2015, 01:58 AM

I have had her sing, taunt, and insult me, so its not disposition! (That's my love life... wink.gif)

Posted by: mALX Sep 6 2015, 06:51 AM

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Sep 5 2015, 08:58 PM) *

I have had her sing, taunt, and insult me, so its not disposition! (That's my love life... wink.gif)



My spouse must get around, rollinglaugh.gif





Posted by: mirocu Sep 6 2015, 01:57 PM

All pirates died quite early in Lothranīs game so no one can sing anymore... sad.gif

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Sep 7 2015, 07:04 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Sep 6 2015, 01:57 PM) *

All pirates died quite early in Lothranīs game so no one can sing anymore... sad.gif


You don't know what you've got till it's gone...

Ah, but wait a minute. If you haven't done the quest and got the poor fellow killed, then Aldos Lothran in Cheydinhal can sing you the epic Cliff Racer Song. Can't stop the music...

Posted by: mirocu Sep 8 2015, 09:44 AM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Sep 7 2015, 08:04 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Sep 6 2015, 01:57 PM) *

All pirates died quite early in Lothranīs game so no one can sing anymore... sad.gif


You don't know what you've got till it's gone...

Ah, but wait a minute. If you haven't done the quest and got the poor fellow killed, then Aldos Lothran in Cheydinhal can sing you the epic Cliff Racer Song. Can't stop the music...

Unfortunately heīs long gone too... sad.gif


And his name is Aldos Othran, not Lothran! laugh.gif

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Sep 8 2015, 11:53 AM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Sep 8 2015, 09:44 AM) *


And his name is Aldos Othran, not Lothran! laugh.gif


Oops, sorry Mirocu. [But - mebbe he's a distant rel, L's family spent some time in High Rock way back, the locals called his dad/mum L'Othran and the name stuck? smile.gif ]

Posted by: Callidus Thorn Sep 18 2015, 07:39 PM

So, running Severan through the Tutorial the other day, ran across yet another chest that I've been missing for years. ohmy.gif In the sewer part, in the room with the two goblins in.

How have I been missing these? wacko.gif

*Facepalms hard enough to shake Yggdrasil*

Posted by: Renee Sep 20 2015, 02:47 AM

That really is something, eh? Because I know you've done the Tutorial many many times.


Posted by: Renee Sep 26 2015, 11:50 PM

Whoa, I just saw the walls of Bruma while Kahreem was standing on the Imperial City's Waterfront. I mean.... we're talkin' nearly 8 years of gaming here, and I've never noticed this.

There was something else new to me, but now I'm forgetting what it was. OH I know. There's a paint horse which stands on the Waterfront, in front of the door to the Temple District. It's there 24/7, unless one of mine decides to go for a joyride. biggrin.gif Well, I just noticed this horse is finally gone. Maybe Heironymus rides him to Anvil after Taking Care of Lex is done.

Posted by: mALX Sep 26 2015, 11:58 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 26 2015, 06:50 PM) *

Whoa, I just saw the walls of Bruma while Kahreem was standing on the Imperial City's Waterfront. I mean.... we're talkin' nearly 8 years of gaming here, and I've never noticed this.

There was something else new to me, but now I'm forgetting what it was. OH I know. There's a paint horse which stands on the Waterfront, in front of the door to the Temple District. It's there 24/7, unless one of mine decides to go for a joyride. biggrin.gif Well, I just noticed this horse is finally gone. Maybe Heironymus rides him to Anvil after Taking Care of Lex is done.



I've seen that paint horse, and also seen it standing beside that lady's house who you frame for stealing the bust of Llathasa a few times.



Posted by: Lopov Sep 27 2015, 11:04 AM

QUOTE
I've seen that paint horse, and also seen it standing beside that lady's house who you frame for stealing the bust of Llathasa a few times.
I still remember when I found this paint horse for the 1st time and a dead conjurer lying next to it, I assumed that this horse belonged to the conjurer. Then I mounted it, thinking it was free and so I earned my first bounty in Oblivion.

QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 27 2015, 12:50 AM) *
Whoa, I just saw the walls of Bruma while Kahreem was standing on the Imperial City's Waterfront. I mean.... we're talkin' nearly 8 years of gaming here, and I've never noticed this.
It took me about 6 years to spot Bruma from Waterfront as well.

However, It took me almost 9 years to find the cave populated with Argonian Tribesmen. I heard and read about this cave many times but I didn't know its name or the location. I refused to spoil myself on the UESP but yesterday I finally found this "fab" cave. At first it seemed completely ordinary but when Vion and his friend Alix were attacked by a pair of Argonians wearing nothing but loincloth, I knew I finally found the place.

I shall explore it today.

P.S.
In case anyone still hasn't find it, I didn't mention its name or the location.

Posted by: Renee Sep 27 2015, 01:40 PM

Oh no kidding, there's a cave full of Argonians, and is this vanilla? That's so fab. I wonder if one of mine found this in the past. Chances are this could have happened, and maybe I didn't notice at the time.

QUOTE

I've seen that paint horse, and also seen it standing beside that lady's house who you frame for stealing the bust of Llathasa a few times.


This makes sense, because this horse occasionally vanishes in some of my games. Somebody must ride it from A to B.


Posted by: Lopov Sep 27 2015, 05:50 PM

Speaking of new things (in general), there's probably still lots of caves and forts I've never been to. And I can still get lost in Cyrodiil (I play without compass) very easily while I almost never got lost in Morrowind or Skyrim.

I know there's some village between Bruma and the Imperial City, north of Aleswell which I haven't came upon yet. I think it's involved in some Daedric quest.

And I know there's a cave called Unmarked Cave somewhere. bigsmile.gif But where? I don't know. That's why playing Oblivion is all the more interesting.

Posted by: haute ecole rider Sep 27 2015, 06:53 PM

About that Paint Horse, I had noticed him too, and wondered about him. Then I saw http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Oghash_gra-Magul riding him, looked it up on the UESP Wiki, and learned that the Paint Horse actually has owners. Not the kind of owners you'd want to steal a horse from! blink.gif ohmy.gif wink.gif

Posted by: mALX Sep 27 2015, 07:56 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Sep 27 2015, 06:04 AM) *

QUOTE
I've seen that paint horse, and also seen it standing beside that lady's house who you frame for stealing the bust of Llathasa a few times.
I still remember when I found this paint horse for the 1st time and a dead conjurer lying next to it, I assumed that this horse belonged to the conjurer. Then I mounted it, thinking it was free and so I earned my first bounty in Oblivion.

QUOTE(Renee @ Sep 27 2015, 12:50 AM) *
Whoa, I just saw the walls of Bruma while Kahreem was standing on the Imperial City's Waterfront. I mean.... we're talkin' nearly 8 years of gaming here, and I've never noticed this.
It took me about 6 years to spot Bruma from Waterfront as well.

However, It took me almost 9 years to find the cave populated with Argonian Tribesmen. I heard and read about this cave many times but I didn't know its name or the location. I refused to spoil myself on the UESP but yesterday I finally found this "fab" cave. At first it seemed completely ordinary but when Vion and his friend Alix were attacked by a pair of Argonians wearing nothing but loincloth, I knew I finally found the place.

I shall explore it today.

P.S.
In case anyone still hasn't find it, I didn't mention its name or the location.



That Tribal cave has an underwater opening in the Niben as well; if you like to sneak in the back way and surprise the enemies, lol.



QUOTE(Lopov @ Sep 27 2015, 12:50 PM) *

Speaking of new things (in general), there's probably still lots of caves and forts I've never been to. And I can still get lost in Cyrodiil (I play without compass) very easily while I almost never got lost in Morrowind or Skyrim.

I know there's some village between Bruma and the Imperial City, north of Aleswell which I haven't came upon yet. I think it's involved in some Daedric quest.

And I know there's a cave called Unmarked Cave somewhere. bigsmile.gif But where? I don't know. That's why playing Oblivion is all the more interesting.



I won't tell you where and spoil your exploration! tongue.gif





QUOTE(haute ecole rider @ Sep 27 2015, 01:53 PM) *

About that Paint Horse, I had noticed him too, and wondered about him. Then I saw http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Oghash_gra-Magul riding him, looked it up on the UESP Wiki, and learned that the Paint Horse actually has owners. Not the kind of owners you'd want to steal a horse from! blink.gif ohmy.gif wink.gif



BWAAHAA! I guess not! But it might explain why it was beside that particular house on the waterfront, because that barrel near where it was standing is a Skooma drop, for anyone who likes stealing Skooma stashes, lol.



Posted by: Renee Sep 28 2015, 11:09 PM

Cripes, that horse is owned by a drug runner? ... blink.gif

Lopov: Yes this town between Bruma and the Imperial City does indeed exist. It's well-hidden. I found it only because one of mine noticed something .... a very slight path going through some woods or something like this. And she followed it until she found the hidden town. It's a nice place, actually.

Posted by: Lopov Sep 29 2015, 04:16 PM

I guess that playing without any map markers for years is another reason why I never found some well-known places. Even if I do some random exploring, there are still chances of missing some location for only a few meters. It took me several years to find the Shrine of Hermaeus Mora, for instance. And I still don't know exactly where is Mephala's shrine.

Posted by: Renee Sep 29 2015, 08:09 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Sep 29 2015, 11:16 AM) *

I guess that playing without any map markers for years is another reason why I never found some well-known places.


That's the thing; this village probably won't show up on the game's vanilla compass, it's rather deep into some wilderness.

.... and that is all I shall say to reaction. You'll have to figure the rest yourself, which is more immersssssssiiiivvveee, of course.


Posted by: Lopov Oct 7 2015, 06:56 PM

By turning camera around I found a http://shrani.najdi.si/?13/ka/3KV2Y4C0/symbol.jpgon the back of thrones in the King and Queen Tavern, and this symbol is the same as the http://www.uesp.net/w/images/4/44/OB-CheydinhalShield.png emblem. Now I wonder if all thrones have the Cheydinhal emblem on the back.

Posted by: mALX Oct 7 2015, 09:54 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Oct 7 2015, 01:56 PM) *

By turning camera around I found a http://shrani.najdi.si/?13/ka/3KV2Y4C0/symbol.jpgon the back of thrones in the King and Queen Tavern, and this symbol is the same as the http://www.uesp.net/w/images/4/44/OB-CheydinhalShield.png emblem. Now I wonder if all thrones have the Cheydinhal emblem on the back.



I think all of the thrones do have a symbol on the back; but don't know if the symbol differs by city (though I only actually remember finding two thrones in the CS, and one was Daedric-type with that symbol).



Posted by: mirocu Oct 8 2015, 03:55 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Oct 7 2015, 07:56 PM) *

By turning camera around I found a http://shrani.najdi.si/?13/ka/3KV2Y4C0/symbol.jpgon the back of thrones in the King and Queen Tavern, and this symbol is the same as the http://www.uesp.net/w/images/4/44/OB-CheydinhalShield.png emblem. Now I wonder if all thrones have the Cheydinhal emblem on the back.

Cool, but I know for a fact that the Bruma thrones have the Bruma emblem smile.gif

Posted by: Lopov Oct 11 2015, 11:36 AM

Then I can only assume that thrones for the Imperial City's inns were made in Cheydinhal. wink.gif

Posted by: mirocu Oct 11 2015, 11:45 AM

Maybe itīs an inn thing? That could be a fun little quest; to check every inn that has thrones for the Cheydinhal emblem! laugh.gif


Though I reckon there arenīt too many inns that have thrones... indifferent.gif

Posted by: Lopov Oct 11 2015, 11:54 AM

Indeed, only the K & Q Tavern comes to my mind at the moment.
There are a few dungeons with thrones, though, one is at the end of Fort Pale Pass IIRC.

Posted by: Renee Oct 12 2015, 01:43 AM

My skooma dealer bought some food in one of those inns on the way to Anvil. There was this wedge of cheese behind the elf at the desk, and this cheese vanished when Snaaty bought it. And the thing is, I've seen this happen in Skyrim, but never TES 4. I don't know if this is a facet of the vanilla game, or if the Unofficial Patch has "fixed" this or something, because I've never seen food get removed in real-time from shelves on PS3 or Xbox.


Posted by: mALX Oct 12 2015, 02:01 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Oct 11 2015, 08:43 PM) *

My skooma dealer bought some food in one of those inns on the way to Anvil. There was this wedge of cheese behind the elf at the desk, and this cheese vanished when Snaaty bought it. And the thing is, I've seen this happen in Skyrim, but never TES 4. I don't know if this is a facet of the vanilla game, or if the Unofficial Patch has "fixed" this or something, because I've never seen food get removed in real-time from shelves on PS3 or Xbox.



Check the Inn for mice!



Posted by: SubRosa Oct 12 2015, 02:58 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Oct 11 2015, 08:43 PM) *

My skooma dealer bought some food in one of those inns on the way to Anvil. There was this wedge of cheese behind the elf at the desk, and this cheese vanished when Snaaty bought it. And the thing is, I've seen this happen in Skyrim, but never TES 4. I don't know if this is a facet of the vanilla game, or if the Unofficial Patch has "fixed" this or something, because I've never seen food get removed in real-time from shelves on PS3 or Xbox.

I have seen this happen before. In my Witchcraft mod I created a bookshelf inside Morcant's cottage and filled it with books. I marked her as owning them, so taking them would be considered stealing. But that also wound up putting them in her inventory for sale. If you bought one of those books, it would vanish from the shelf. The same was even true of the staff she carried, it wound up automatically becoming for sale as well.

Posted by: mirocu Oct 12 2015, 08:50 AM

Yeah, Iīve seen that happen a lot of times. And I think itīs pretty neat; the things on the shelves are not just eye candy. Itīs really what they are selling! smile.gif

Posted by: Renee Oct 12 2015, 03:42 PM

So you folks are saying you have mice in your games too? panic.gif Ahhh!

Posted by: mALX Oct 12 2015, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Oct 12 2015, 10:42 AM) *

So you folks are saying you have mice in your games too? panic.gif Ahhh!



Well, I actually do in my game (as a matter of fact); but I was just joking, laugh.gif






Posted by: Renee Nov 7 2015, 09:20 PM

Whoa!

So Kahreem was in the Inn of Ill Omen, sitting there having dinner. I pressed the button to make him stand up, but he had other things in mind.

"Put that back, you worthless thief!"

Oops. This is all part of his RP of course, he IS a thief. emot-ninja1.gif But I did not mean for him to steal something at that moment. Anyways, he gets up and before I can make him drop whatever he stole, an Imperial Legion guy shows up.

Kahreem resists arrest. He can't go to jail right now. He doesn't want to. BUT here's the new thing I've never ever seen before: when he was running out of the inn, and ran right by the guy who owns the place, this message popped on-screen.

*Tan Plate Removed*

... something like that. Who removed it? It wasn't me. I hadn't had time to go into his inventory, you see. I have no idea what happened. But I noticed the owner of the inn was just standing there, not attacking, when Kahreem fled the place. It's almost like Kahreem gave him this item. Right? wacko.gif


Posted by: mirocu Nov 7 2015, 09:24 PM

An owner will take back any item stolen by your character as well as call for help if they see you take it. Kahreem got close enough to the inn keeper that he was able to do so.

Posted by: Lopov Nov 8 2015, 10:33 AM

Kahreem subconsciously steals things even when he doesn't intend too, I mean to. laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Nov 15 2015, 12:45 AM

I think you mean two, Lopov. To the other too.

New thing: I've never seen Arena opponents fight using hand-to-hand combat. I'm gaming with Kahreem, okay? He's got just over 400 gold in his pocket and gets the urge to gamble, so he bets on a match at the Arena. These two ladies come out, and they're both fighting with their fists. Never seen that before.

Cool, he just won 100 gold. smile.gif He bet on the Blue Team.

New Thing #2: Kahreem is leaving the Waterfront, heading to Bruma for the next part of his quest. Before leaving, he goes to the Marie Elena to see if there's anything he needs. Yes there is: some Cheap Wine. After grabbing a couple bottles for his journey, he leaves his ship, and walks up the Waterfront, and sees a body up ahead, lying in the middle of the street. This is the body of Damian Magius, and this body was NOT there literally an hour ago, when Kahreem originally passed this spot.

So whatever happened to Magius just happened in other words. Dang, I wish I saw what it was. I have no idea why Damian would have been in a brawl. A trip to UESP reveals nothing sketchy about him. He eats at the Bloated Float, and also in his own home, so it's not like he's going to steal food from some other NPC.

Posted by: mirocu Nov 15 2015, 09:02 AM

NPCs dropping dead for no reason has happened in my game too. As Lothran was walking home from Olavīs one night I heard a scream from behind and when I looked back Brotch Calus was laying dead in front of his house. No explanation why it happened indifferent.gif

I have seen hand-to-hand fighting in the Arena many times. What boggles me though I have seen hand-to-sword fighting too rollinglaugh.gif

Posted by: Lopov Dec 25 2015, 12:45 PM

Until today I've never noticed the inscription "The Bloated Float" on the ship itself.

Posted by: mirocu Dec 25 2015, 12:52 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 25 2015, 12:45 PM) *

Until today I've never noticed the inscription "The Bloated Float" on the ship itself.

Thatīs why "hidden in plain sight" works wink.gif

Posted by: mALX Dec 25 2015, 04:46 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 25 2015, 06:45 AM) *

Until today I've never noticed the inscription "The Bloated Float" on the ship itself.



What does the inscription say? I haven't seen it.





QUOTE(Renee @ Nov 14 2015, 06:45 PM) *

I think you mean two, Lopov. To the other too.

New thing: I've never seen Arena opponents fight using hand-to-hand combat. I'm gaming with Kahreem, okay? He's got just over 400 gold in his pocket and gets the urge to gamble, so he bets on a match at the Arena. These two ladies come out, and they're both fighting with their fists. Never seen that before.

Cool, he just won 100 gold. smile.gif He bet on the Blue Team.

New Thing #2: Kahreem is leaving the Waterfront, heading to Bruma for the next part of his quest. Before leaving, he goes to the Marie Elena to see if there's anything he needs. Yes there is: some Cheap Wine. After grabbing a couple bottles for his journey, he leaves his ship, and walks up the Waterfront, and sees a body up ahead, lying in the middle of the street. This is the body of Damian Magius, and this body was NOT there literally an hour ago, when Kahreem originally passed this spot.

So whatever happened to Magius just happened in other words. Dang, I wish I saw what it was. I have no idea why Damian would have been in a brawl. A trip to UESP reveals nothing sketchy about him. He eats at the Bloated Float, and also in his own home, so it's not like he's going to steal food from some other NPC.


Food poisoning?

I was sleeping in the Mages Guild in Anvil and forgot I was wearing my chameleon outfit that gives 100% invisibility; but if you activate an NPC they talk to you and know who you are.

Well, I activated Marc Gulitte to see what spells he had for sale. He got a frightened look on his face and then died of (I'm assuming) a heart attack. And everyone just kept walking around him as if his body wasn't laying there. No one mentioned it in conversation either. And he is an advanced trainer, which means I lost my advanced training that game. Three days later his body disappeared from the chair - still no members of the Mages Guild mentioned him being gone.

I've also found Alval Uvani dead on the roads in the beginning (early part) of a game; and all the people in lower Kvatch were dead in that game too when I got there. That game was glitched, every person who was dead was standing up with arms spread like they had been crucified, but no cross behind them. It was freaky.





Posted by: Lopov Dec 25 2015, 04:58 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ Dec 25 2015, 04:46 PM) *
What does the inscription say? I haven't seen it.
It says...


...the Bloated Float. bigsmile.gif

Posted by: mALX Dec 25 2015, 05:04 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 25 2015, 10:58 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Dec 25 2015, 04:46 PM) *
What does the inscription say? I haven't seen it.
It says...


...the Bloated Float. bigsmile.gif



Oh, lol. (DOH!) Sorry, not awake yet, laugh.gif








Posted by: Lopov Dec 29 2015, 10:47 PM

It's now a new thing but today when Oberon was dining in the Jerall View Inn, I realized that I've never been to the upper floor so I don't know what exactly is up there. I'm probably not missing out much but for the time being I decided not to ascend the stairs yet.

Now to a new thing - I always thought that Jauffre was an Imperial but reading the UESP today I see he's a Breton.

Posted by: mALX Dec 29 2015, 11:00 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 29 2015, 04:47 PM) *

It's now a new thing but today when Oberon was dining in the Jerall View Inn, I realized that I've never been to the upper floor so I don't know what exactly is up there. I'm probably not missing out much but for the time being I decided not to ascend the stairs yet.

Now to a new thing - I always thought that Jauffre was an Imperial but reading the UESP today I see he's a Breton.



I think it is the owner's office up there. (so trespassing).






Posted by: Lopov Jan 9 2016, 10:12 AM

Oberon ran into a Skingrad guard marching past Fort Nikel, right outside the IC. huh.gif I forgot to make a screenie, though.

At first I thought that this guard was quite far from his town but then I remembered that it was probably Kahreem in one of his numerous disguises. laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Jan 9 2016, 08:40 PM


QUOTE(Lopov @ Jan 9 2016, 04:12 AM) *

Oberon ran into a Skingrad guard marching past Fort Nikel, right outside the IC. huh.gif I forgot to make a screenie, though.

At first I thought that this guard was quite far from his town but then I remembered that it was probably Kahreem in one of his numerous disguises. laugh.gif

Yeah, that could have been Kahreem for sure. What race was he?

Seriously though, does your version of Better Cities allow gates to open directly into walled towns, without a load-screen? If so, this could be why you'll see a Skingrad guard so far away from home. I know RG3 has Open Cities in her game, and we see all sorts of NPCs wandering around who would normally

Posted by: mirocu Jan 9 2016, 08:41 PM

Who would normally... what? wink.gif

Posted by: Lopov Jan 9 2016, 08:44 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Jan 9 2016, 08:40 PM) *
Yeah, that could have been Kahreem for sure. What race was he?
He was dark and smelled of cheap wine. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Renee @ Jan 9 2016, 08:40 PM) *
Seriously though, does your version of Better Cities allow gates to open directly into walled towns, without a load-screen? If so, this could be why you'll see a Skingrad guard so far away from home. I know RG3 has Open Cities in her game, and we see all sorts of NPCs wandering around who would normally
No, I don't use Open Cities because it's too much for my PC. But since BC adds a lot of new NPCs and some travel between towns, it's possible that this guard was in fact accompanying someone else but that NPC was too ahead or maybe even died because there were some will'o'the-wisps around (however it's spelled).

Posted by: Acadian Jan 9 2016, 09:02 PM

The only city guards I've ever seen far from their posting are the Leyawiin guards that escort Countess Leyawiin during her scripted monthly travel to Chorrol and back to Leyawiin.

Posted by: Renee Feb 4 2016, 01:51 AM

Fort Entius. This is located at the end of the river which Imperial Bridge Inn is nearby. In other words, if we walk toward Imperial Bridge Inn, and stay near that water, and then pass the inn, and keep walking all the way until the end of the water, that's where Fort Entius is.

I've been to this fort maybe a dozen times (maybe more) over the years, yet I had no idea there's like this secret hidden ledge right above Entius's entrance. The ledge can only be found by walking off the south end of Entius (sort of, hard to explain), and I only bring this up because not long ago I managed to find a small cache of treasure near a skeleton, which is located in that hidden ledge thingy!




Posted by: mirocu Feb 4 2016, 09:14 AM

Not sure I have discovered that myself. I could have, but I really cannot remember laugh.gif

Posted by: Grits Feb 4 2016, 11:44 AM

Neat! I'm not very familiar with that area. That would be a great place to just explore.

Posted by: Acadian Feb 4 2016, 12:45 PM

Neat, Renee! Fort Entius has been on Buffy's OB circuit for a long time. I think we first learned of it as a great place to 'mine' for alchemy gear as it is very east to get to the boss conjuredude chest. She's cleared it many times and I think I know the ledge you're talking about. We always like camping beside the river there.

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Feb 5 2016, 11:22 AM

Oops, slight spoiler for me, but no worries. Was thinking about setting up a new character whose first job would be as an imperial surveyor charged with visiting, and climbing around, all the ruins to report on their state. The idea, in actual fact, was to see how much stuff the character could accumulate without ever going inside any of the ruins. (Also necessary to sneak past the bad guys outside, because looting them would spoil it...)

There are also quite a few non-ruin chests scattered round, think there's a list of them on UESP, not going to look now, though.

Posted by: Renee Feb 5 2016, 07:05 PM

This thread really should be in the spoilers section, like the Skyrim version of this thread. My bad.

That does sound like a neat idea, your surveyor idea, t-C. I remember Pseron made a map surveyor long ago, whose job was to simply chart the entire map of Cyrodiil. Something like that. I would make an idea like this, but I'm too much of an adrenaline junkie!

Posted by: Acadian Feb 5 2016, 07:49 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Feb 5 2016, 10:05 AM) *
This thread really should be in the spoilers section, like the Skyrim version of this thread. ...

Well, you are the thread's originator. So your wish is my command when it comes to such things. smile.gif

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Feb 6 2016, 12:38 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Feb 5 2016, 08:05 PM) *

This thread really should be in the spoilers section, like the Skyrim version of this thread. My bad.

That does sound like a neat idea, your surveyor idea, t-C. I remember Pseron made a map surveyor long ago, whose job was to simply chart the entire map of Cyrodiil. Something like that. I would make an idea like this, but I'm too much of an adrenaline junkie!


I wasn't serious about the spoilers, Renee - I'm apt to spoil things for myself. Main trouble is it's now given me a mod idea, and I seriously need to finish one or two others...

Posted by: Renee Feb 6 2016, 02:35 AM

That's fine, it's all good. It makes more sense to have a thread like this in Spoilers, so thank you Acadian for intuiting and getting it done. cake.gif

Posted by: Lopov Feb 23 2016, 01:37 PM

Never heard http://postimg.org/image/6asz1xajt/ before.

Posted by: mALX Feb 23 2016, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ May 31 2015, 03:21 AM) *

As Acadian says, this animation is completely vanilla. Just like patting a horse and another animation which I can't properly describe in English but it's something like checking whether a weapon is buckled or not.



Bold: I've seen Alix Lencolia do this one a lot!






QUOTE(Lopov @ Feb 23 2016, 07:37 AM) *

Never heard http://postimg.org/image/6asz1xajt/ before.



Vilja says it more often than the NPC's; but it is a standard dialogue for several female races.




Posted by: Lopov Feb 23 2016, 05:32 PM

I've never heard it until today else I'd remember it because of the unique name. The book as such doesn't exist though, maybe it's part of cut content. In conversations about books Manual of Armor and Fundaments of Alchemy get mentioned the most often.

Posted by: Renee Feb 23 2016, 11:14 PM

weird.

Posted by: Renee Feb 28 2016, 02:03 AM

I'm just noticing dogwood trees outside of Cheydinhal, with their distinctive white flowers. Have I noticed this before? I'm not sure.

I'd take a picture, but I'm on Xbox. But http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kousa-dogwood.jpg.

Posted by: Acadian Feb 28 2016, 02:41 AM

Yes! There are indeed dogwood trees in Cyrodiil! happy.gif

Posted by: mALX Feb 28 2016, 02:45 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Feb 27 2016, 08:03 PM) *

I'm just noticing dogwood trees outside of Cheydinhal, with their distinctive white flowers. Have I noticed this before? I'm not sure.

I'd take a picture, but I'm on Xbox. But http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kousa-dogwood.jpg.



I don't remember ever seeing a dogwood in game that I didn't put there in one of my mods; but I love them too. In TN, they have streets marked out where the prettiest examples of dogwoods are; and they have them in different colors too - 2 weeks of Awesome in ETN!


Here is one house with some really mature dogwood trees:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cItEJppq3UE/TWUoxpvuS-I/AAAAAAAAADU/qdSGtqsv95E/s1600/dogwood+tree.jpg




Posted by: Acadian Feb 28 2016, 02:49 AM

Here ya go - http://i.imgur.com/h49vdId.jpg tongue.gif

Posted by: Renee Feb 28 2016, 06:05 AM

Lovely pics, real and in-game!

Posted by: Grits Mar 3 2016, 06:11 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Feb 23 2016, 07:37 AM) *

Never heard http://postimg.org/image/6asz1xajt/ before.

Nords at the bookseller?! That is a new one. laugh.gif Nice find, I haven't heard that either.

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 17 2016, 03:13 AM

Tonight I was watching an episode of Call the Midwife, when suddenly I learned that the Marie Elena is not just any name Bethesda came up with. It is https://youtu.be/G_N_dqVUsoY! I had no idea until now. What a fantastic easter egg.

Posted by: mirocu Mar 17 2016, 08:33 AM

Thatīs pretty cool but also a bit disappointing.. laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee Apr 17 2016, 02:03 AM

Wow, that's great SubRosa, thanks for sharing!

I am just noticing the Bloated Float has flags hanging from the lines between its masts. I'm playing on Xbox tonight so this is the sort of thing I'd assume on PC, but would never notice in the vanilla game.

Posted by: mirocu Apr 22 2016, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Apr 17 2016, 03:03 AM) *

I am just noticing the Bloated Float has flags hanging from the lines between its masts. I'm playing on Xbox tonight so this is the sort of thing I'd assume on PC, but would never notice in the vanilla game.

Kinda neat, isnīt it? biggrin.gif


As for me I have found something that astonished me. Well, I donīt think Iīve noticed it before anyway; not all doors are reinforced in Skingrad! For example, Bernadetteīs door isn,īt and neither is Uurasīs. Not even Lazare Milvanīs door is reinforced huh.gif


And hereīs a real oddity: You know the beggar bedroll thatīs behind the Fighters Guild? Today Lothran found a Skingrad guard sleeping in it! tongue.gif

Posted by: Renee Apr 22 2016, 10:51 PM

Whoa, the one about the Skingrad guard sleeping in a beggar-bed is weird. That could be influenced by some mod, but I kinda doubt it because I don't think you have anything that would cause this, otherwise you would have seen it by now.

My new thing of the day: I was reading over at UESP about vampires, and was surprised to learn that they (in fact) do take damage if they run outside during day time. This damage does not happen nearly as fast as what we experience if we've got a vampire, but it does happen.

Posted by: Renee Jul 3 2016, 01:46 AM

I just found something really odd in Kahreem's game. He pickpocketed Delphine Jend as she slept in the Mage's Guild. He found a "ring", but this ring shows up as a plain green image in his Miscellaneous inventory, rather than under Apparel. In other words, he cannot equip it.

Here is what http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Delphine_Jend.

Delphine spends most of her days contemplating her "PonderItem". This is a bizarre object in her inventory that has no name, weight, value, picture, or apparent function. The only non-blank entries for it in the Construction Set are its editor ID ("PonderItem") and Form ID (00002340). If you kill her or pickpocket her, this item is visible in her inventory labeled <missing name>. When dropped, it looks like a giant flashing box with an exclamation point on it. If you have installed the Thieves Den official plug-in, it will instead be identified as "Ring" and will be a quest item (i.e., you cannot drop it any more).


Since Kahreem's game has Thieves Den installed, this PonderItem is a quest item, and cannot be dropped. The description above indicates that if we don't have TD installed, the item can be dropped. It sounds like it's one of those Missing Mesh! thingies once we drop it.


Posted by: mALX Jul 3 2016, 02:21 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Jul 2 2016, 08:46 PM) *

I just found something really odd in Kahreem's game. He pickpocketed Delphine Jend as she slept in the Mage's Guild. He found a "ring", but this ring shows up as a plain green image in his Miscellaneous inventory, rather than under Apparel. In other words, he cannot equip it.

Here is what http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Delphine_Jend.

Delphine spends most of her days contemplating her "PonderItem". This is a bizarre object in her inventory that has no name, weight, value, picture, or apparent function. The only non-blank entries for it in the Construction Set are its editor ID ("PonderItem") and Form ID (00002340). If you kill her or pickpocket her, this item is visible in her inventory labeled <missing name>. When dropped, it looks like a giant flashing box with an exclamation point on it. If you have installed the Thieves Den official plug-in, it will instead be identified as "Ring" and will be a quest item (i.e., you cannot drop it any more).


Since Kahreem's game has Thieves Den installed, this PonderItem is a quest item, and cannot be dropped. The description above indicates that if we don't have TD installed, the item can be dropped. It sounds like it's one of those Missing Mesh! thingies once we drop it.



I wonder if you can assign a mesh to any of those bugged items?


Posted by: Renee Jul 3 2016, 03:40 AM

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 2 2016, 09:21 PM) *
f
I wonder if you can assign a mesh to any of those bugged items?

Not in Kahreem's game (Xbox) but possibly on PC this can be done, right?


Posted by: mALX Jul 3 2016, 09:48 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Jul 2 2016, 10:40 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 2 2016, 09:21 PM) *
f
I wonder if you can assign a mesh to any of those bugged items?

Not in Kahreem's game (Xbox) but possibly on PC this can be done, right?



I was thinking it should be able to, just point it to any vanilla ring instead of where it is pointing? But like you said; not on the 360, lol.


Posted by: Renee Aug 28 2016, 03:16 AM

I have one. Was gaming with Joan of Arkay last night. She often uses Turn Undead to pacify zombies and ghosts and skeletons and whatnot. So last night, she turns this zombie. This usually makes them try to run away, but in this case, the zombie had nowhere to run, it was in this sort of alcove thingie. So Joan begins bashing it with her short sword, and it turns around and begins attacking her.

I had no idea beating on a turned undead will eventually make them "un-turn", basically.


Posted by: mirocu Aug 28 2016, 03:32 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Aug 28 2016, 04:16 AM) *

I had no idea beating on a turned undead will eventually make them "un-turn", basically.

Well, I think that either itÂīs like when you hit someone with very high disposition; they wait until you hit them enough times before they hit back, or the spell effect simply ended.

Posted by: Renee Oct 8 2016, 02:12 AM

Riverview (in Cheydinhal) has furniture on one of its outside decks. Patio furniture, in the vanilla game. Never noticed this! I wonder if anybody ever sits there.

Posted by: Renee Dec 11 2016, 01:57 AM

I meant to add this one awhile back a few weeks ago. When Sarah was in the Jemane's townhouse (the one they have in Chorrol, not Weatherleah), she went into Gilbert's room and oh my gosh what a mess that place is. That guy is not only a drunk, but quite a slob too.

Dang I didn't take a pic, apparently. Well, if she ever goes back in there, I'll get a pic and show y'all.

Posted by: gpstr Jan 19 2017, 09:59 PM

I guess this is about the best thread for this...

I was traveling with Lemdel the Altmer barbarian COC last night, and heard a line I've never heard before. That caught my attention, but the response was so perfectly Oblivion that it made me laugh out loud.

The line:

"Most people consider Martin's... transformation... a religious or political event, but what interests me is its metaphysical implications."

The response:

"I've heard others say the same."

laugh.gif

Posted by: mirocu Jan 19 2017, 10:03 PM

Only in Oblivion rollinglaugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif



Posted by: mALX Jan 19 2017, 10:19 PM

QUOTE(gpstr @ Jan 19 2017, 03:59 PM) *

I guess this is about the best thread for this...

I was traveling with Lemdel the Altmer barbarian COC last night, and heard a line I've never heard before. That caught my attention, but the response was so perfectly Oblivion that it made me laugh out loud.

The line:

"Most people consider Martin's... transformation... a religious or political event, but what interests me is its metaphysical implications."

The response:

"I've heard others say the same."

laugh.gif



rollinglaugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif




Posted by: Grits Jan 19 2017, 10:25 PM

laugh.gif Perfect.

Posted by: Renee Mar 13 2017, 01:27 AM

Two new things for this post.

1). I've never seen a guard open a prisoner's cell door, for apparently no reason. Kahreem got thrown into jail last night once again, okay? He's in jail with Jorundr, dreading the days ahead, when all the sudden a guard just (for nor reason) opens up the cell door they're both in.

I'm like "whoa." And Kahreem simply walks out of there. biggrin.gif Because, why not? As he walked up the hallway, the guard did nothing, but there was a message saying his "bounty had been increased for his jailbreak." What???

Kahreem decided to just stay in that immediate area...he didn't try to leave the dungeon altogether. He's always served his sentences. But what was really neat was he was able to just walk around the lower room he was in. It was like being in jail, yet having the ability to walk around, as long as he doesn't try to leave the place altogether.

2). He was also able to find another cell to sleep in. The bedroll in this cell gave me the message "Do you want to just serve your sentence?" when he tried to sleep on it. Which is good for him... he had no desire to share another term with that weirdo Jorundr. laugh.gif


Posted by: SubRosa Mar 13 2017, 03:16 AM

That is hilarious!

Posted by: Acadian Mar 13 2017, 03:53 AM

Well, Kahreem is most decidedly the expert when it comes to Cyrodiilic prisons! tongue.gif

Posted by: mirocu Mar 13 2017, 08:21 AM

That was such an awesome thing! Kahreem must have gotten a bit of privilege for being a good jailbird laugh.gif

Posted by: Renee May 11 2017, 10:54 PM

Wow. huh.gif

Okay, I have NEVER heard First Mate Malvulis sing before. This is the dark elf who stands outside of the Marie Elena, the one who warns us not to get "too close" to her stupid pirate ship. In RG3s game, she is a permanent fixture, since my character never got too close to the ship before, she's never had to deal with getting attacked.

But still. We've walked by this Dunmer a zillion times, and a variety of my others have walked by her a zillion more times. Never heard her sing before, we've only heard the male pirates sing.

But yeah, according to UESP "There once was hardy [sic] young lad of the sea... A Redguard of courage and honor was he... Sail on, my Cyrus, sail on..." she says. Wow.


Posted by: mALX May 11 2017, 11:20 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ May 11 2017, 05:54 PM) *

Wow. huh.gif

Okay, I have NEVER heard First Mate Malvulis sing before. This is the dark elf who stands outside of the Marie Elena, the one who warns us not to get "too close" to her stupid pirate ship. In RG3s game, she is a permanent fixture, since my character never got too close to the ship before, she's never had to deal with getting attacked.

But still. We've walked by this Dunmer a zillion times, and a variety of my others have walked by her a zillion more times. Never heard her sing before, we've only heard the male pirates sing.

But yeah, according to UESP "There once was hardy [sic] young lad of the sea... A Redguard of courage and honor was he... Sail on, my Cyrus, sail on..." she says. Wow.



I've not only heard her sing, but had her sing to me!



Posted by: Lopov May 12 2017, 01:56 PM

Wow, I don't remember hearing her to sing ever, only the male pirates. Cyrus is the main protagonist of TES Adventures: Redguard.

Posted by: Decrepit Jul 21 2017, 03:49 PM

Nothing really new here, just observances of things not experienced in some time:

In the course of assembling a new, still under construction, modded Oblivion build, I've observed my OCOv2 avatar escape the Imperial Prison four or five times. (At that point I saved right before exiting the sewers. Much as I like the Escape sequence, enough is enough. Should the experimental build become an actual play-through I will of course observe the Escape once again.) Something forgotten since last observing an avatar at the dawn of his late 3d era Cyrodiilic adventures, assuming I knew it those seven years ago, is that what the Emperor says just prior to his demise can vary considerably. During all but one experimental build escapes, when rejoined with the Emperor's party, my avatar more or less tagged alone, offering little assistance. Those times the Emperor had very little just before his death. The one time my avatar joined in a number of fights, killing several assassins, the Emperor gave him a much longer pre death speech. This might, of course, be total coincidence.

My long established decrepit avatar has had sterling reputation with all residents of the Empire who matter for a number of earth years. I therefore have had no opportunity to practice the persuasion mini game in quite some time. Back in the day it came easily to me. I could max reputation with any NPC in minimum time and no slip-ups. Fast forward to today. I'm afraid the years have taken their toll. I still understand the gist of the mini game, and have no great fear of failure. But it ain't as easy as it once was. The problem is that I no longer recall which facial expression goes with which circle quadrant from one "spin" to the next. I have to match 'em up each spin. As I do so, my avatars rep with that individual slowly decreases. I still usually come out ahead each spin, but it's not guarantied.

A related observance. It seems to me that the two "middle" face expressions are harder to differential with OCOv2 than vanilla. With the OCO orc my avatar buttered up all but one expression looked so close to identical to me that I didn't know which was which. I made a wild guess and miraculously got it right. Have any other OCO users noticed this?

Posted by: Decrepit Jul 22 2017, 09:40 PM

Had another extended persuasion mini-game practice session this afternoon in my experimental Oblivion build. Remembered something not recalled my previous session. When an NPC's mouth doesn't adequately differentiate the four reactions, his or her eyebrows give it away. At least that proved true with the several Orcs my avatar encountered. It also helped with the two middle reactions of a few non beast individuals.

Posted by: Renee Jul 23 2017, 04:04 PM

QUOTE
My long established decrepit avatar has had sterling reputation with all residents of the Empire who matter for a number of earth years. I therefore have had no opportunity to practice the persuasion mini game in quite some time.


Wow, this must be interesting. In my games, there are a few NPCs who are like this, especially stablehands. Because a lot of my characters often tip (bribe) these workers for watching my characters' horses.

QUOTE

A related observance. It seems to me that the two "middle" face expressions are harder to differential with OCOv2 than vanilla. With the OCO orc my avatar buttered up all but one expression looked so close to identical to me that I didn't know which was which. I made a wild guess and miraculously got it right. Have any other OCO users noticed this?


I don't have OCO, but in the vanilla game there is always one facial expression which is not "as" happy, and not "as" angry as the other two. Sometimes I screw these up.

Posted by: mirocu Jul 23 2017, 04:37 PM

It doesn't happen much these days but whenever Lothran finds someone he hasn't talked to it's always a treat. I like the Speech mini-game thing. And if I want to max it I always exit when I can't go any further, have Lothran draw a weapon, and get back in as it has then dropped ten points by which time I can raise their disposition a bit more smile.gif

Posted by: mALX Jul 23 2017, 04:55 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jul 23 2017, 11:37 AM) *

It doesn't happen much these days but whenever Lothran finds someone he hasn't talked to it's always a treat. I like the Speech mini-game thing. And if I want to max it I always exit when I can't go any further, have Lothran draw a weapon, and get back in as it has then dropped ten points by which time I can raise their disposition a bit more smile.gif



I've had to use this trick every time when buying the Skingrad house where you have to get that Orc's disposition up to a certain level to be considered even a possibility for ownership, (mainly because I somehow always flub up the mini-game!) laugh.gif


Posted by: Renee Jul 23 2017, 04:56 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jul 23 2017, 11:37 AM) *

It doesn't happen much these days but whenever Lothran finds someone he hasn't talked to it's always a treat. I like the Speech mini-game thing. And if I want to max it I always exit when I can't go any further, have Lothran draw a weapon, and get back in as it has then dropped ten points by which time I can raise their disposition a bit more smile.gif

Okay, no kidding? We can draw a weapon and speak to them I am assuming? And this automatically docks 10 points? I didn't know this. I mean, I knew they "don't like it if you speak with our weapon drawn" but I didn't know this is a persistent occurrence, meaning that those 10 points remain docked?

Posted by: mirocu Jul 23 2017, 05:07 PM

@mALX - laugh.gif

QUOTE(Renee @ Jul 23 2017, 05:56 PM) *

Okay, no kidding? We can draw a weapon and speak to them I am assuming? And this automatically docks 10 points? I didn't know this. I mean, I knew they "don't like it if you speak with our weapon drawn" but I didn't know this is a persistent occurrence, meaning that those 10 points remain docked?

No, they're only docked while holding a weapon and engaging in conversation. When you exit, remove weapon and engage in conversation again, the points are back up.


Edit: While gaming yesterday I noticed how similar the skooma addict Nord in Bravil is to Decrepit's character...! laugh.gif

Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Oct 10 2017, 01:00 PM

I gave up on the persuasion minigame very early on. I'm sure I could master it, but I find it too irritating. It's so annoying that I have always resorted to bribery. But that too is annoying, as it suggests that everyone (including the likes of H. Lex) can be reliably bribed. Though I suppose that's one way to look at the world...

So I always (depends on the character, of course) try to acquire a charm spell ASAP. Which raises the question - if there are such things as charm spells - which targetted npcs don't even seem to realise you are using - why aren't they being used by anyone who can cast them? Imagine if such existed in the real-world - we would very quickly end up with some sort of aristocratic rule by skilled illusionists (though I suppose it could be argued that that actually is the case in real life, it's just that the technology is different).

[Hmm, something to consider. Not that it's useful, but can you bribe the emperor during the tutorial sequence just for a laugh? (Been a long time since I've played that, tend to use an alternative start mod.)]

Posted by: mALX Oct 11 2017, 07:06 PM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Oct 10 2017, 08:00 AM) *

I gave up on the persuasion minigame very early on. I'm sure I could master it, but I find it too irritating. It's so annoying that I have always resorted to bribery. But that too is annoying, as it suggests that everyone (including the likes of H. Lex) can be reliably bribed. Though I suppose that's one way to look at the world...

So I always (depends on the character, of course) try to acquire a charm spell ASAP. Which raises the question - if there are such things as charm spells - which targetted npcs don't even seem to realise you are using - why aren't they being used by anyone who can cast them? Imagine if such existed in the real-world - we would very quickly end up with some sort of aristocratic rule by skilled illusionists (though I suppose it could be argued that that actually is the case in real life, it's just that the technology is different).

[Hmm, something to consider. Not that it's useful, but can you bribe the emperor during the tutorial sequence just for a laugh? (Been a long time since I've played that, tend to use an alternative start mod.)]


Lol, I have had many incidences with that Orc in Castle Skingrad who you HAVE to get his personality to a certain level in order to buy that house = finally learned to save before talking to him, then reload the save if I accidentally screw up the mini-game. Too many times I couldn't get his personality high enough; and pulling my sword out just didn't seem to work well enough to lower his personality to the point he would continue the game or low enough to have a chance to reach that certain level, laugh.gif





Posted by: ghastley Oct 11 2017, 09:03 PM

It was too easy just to make a spell for that. All my characters got "Bamboozle" - 100 points of charm for two seconds. One second was probably enough for most people, but this was enough time to pick up a dropped mouse, as well. Anything with a disposition check just used that, (except for the one quest where the worshippers are supposed not to like you, so you just drink too much).

The problem with the Orc steward was his ability to fall through the bridge and die before you could afford to buy from him. Most people paid an early visit to "coronate" him, in case they wanted to buy later. The UOP may have fixed the bridge issue, which I think had something to do with him trying to walk over the LOD copy which has no collision, or similar. The Talos Bridge had the same problem, but nobody quest-related was likely to die there.

Posted by: Renee Oct 12 2017, 12:02 AM

Wow. WOW.

So Joan of Arkay is in Leyawiin's chapel. A PUBLIC place of worship. She's been in there for about an hour or two, praying or whatever.

She gets up to activate one of the altars in there, and out of the corner of our eyes we see a shape come running up to Joan. I thought she was being attacked. But no, Silana Blandia comes running up, and starts saying "It's time for you to go."

blink.gif Why would she say this if my character's in a public place, which never closes??? blink.gif



... and good to see you tegeus. :wavey: Oops. No emoticon for waving. salute.gif That's close enough.

Posted by: Lopov Oct 12 2017, 06:15 AM

Did she threw some septims in the main altar? That happens if your character is in a chapel for too long and doesn't offer some sort of a donation.

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Posted by: mALX Oct 12 2017, 06:52 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Oct 11 2017, 07:02 PM) *

Wow. WOW.

So Joan of Arkay is in Leyawiin's chapel. A PUBLIC place of worship. She's been in there for about an hour or two, praying or whatever.

She gets up to activate one of the altars in there, and out of the corner of our eyes we see a shape come running up to Joan. I thought she was being attacked. But no, Silana Blandia comes running up, and starts saying "It's time for you to go."

blink.gif Why would she say this if my character's in a public place, which never closes??? blink.gif



... and good to see you tegeus. :wavey: Oops. No emoticon for waving. salute.gif That's close enough.


I had the same thing happen in Rivet City shopping area (Fallout 3) = Misa was waiting for the shop keepers to stop eating breakfast and go to their booths so she could sell some items to them. She "waited" 1 hour, and when it ended everyone in there was acting hostile and told her that she had to leave. I don't know if it is a low personality thing or just that she was using the "wait" thing - but they were open, so there was no reason she shouldn't be in there.



QUOTE(ghastley @ Oct 11 2017, 04:03 PM) *

It was too easy just to make a spell for that. All my characters got "Bamboozle" - 100 points of charm for two seconds. One second was probably enough for most people, but this was enough time to pick up a dropped mouse, as well. Anything with a disposition check just used that, (except for the one quest where the worshippers are supposed not to like you, so you just drink too much).

The problem with the Orc steward was his ability to fall through the bridge and die before you could afford to buy from him. Most people paid an early visit to "coronate" him, in case they wanted to buy later. The UOP may have fixed the bridge issue, which I think had something to do with him trying to walk over the LOD copy which has no collision, or similar. The Talos Bridge had the same problem, but nobody quest-related was likely to die there.



I never thought of a charm spell! What a fantastic idea! By the way, if you wonder why he was crossing that bridge so early in the morning - he goes to Agnate the Pickled's shop and hangs out from like 6 a.m. and talks to her for a couple hours.

** By the way, how do you "Coronate" him (or any other NPC's)? You are talking about making them "immortal," right? (unable to be killed)?


Posted by: ghastley Oct 12 2017, 02:54 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 12 2017, 01:52 AM) *

** By the way, how do you "Coronate" him (or any other NPC's)? You are talking about making them "immortal," right? (unable to be killed)?

Mirocu's the one to ask. His game's been going so long, the only way Lothran wouldn't be alone was to do that to everyone named.

Besides, the console incantation changed between games at some point, and I don't remember the right one. You're altering an attribute of the BaseID, and the console allows you to select the RefID, so it's not entirely direct. OBSE may have added a direct method, but I don't remember if that's just my imagination.

Posted by: mALX Oct 13 2017, 06:45 AM

QUOTE(ghastley @ Oct 12 2017, 09:54 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 12 2017, 01:52 AM) *

** By the way, how do you "Coronate" him (or any other NPC's)? You are talking about making them "immortal," right? (unable to be killed)?

Mirocu's the one to ask. His game's been going so long, the only way Lothran wouldn't be alone was to do that to everyone named.

Besides, the console incantation changed between games at some point, and I don't remember the right one. You're altering an attribute of the BaseID, and the console allows you to select the RefID, so it's not entirely direct. OBSE may have added a direct method, but I don't remember if that's just my imagination.



panic.gif

Well ... huh? laugh.gif Acadian told me how a long time ago, but I don't remember now. I guess it won't matter unless I pull the game out again. It has been a long time since I have, though Decrepit's exciting build has me tempted.



Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Oct 14 2017, 10:33 AM

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 13 2017, 06:45 AM) *


Well ... huh? laugh.gif Acadian told me how a long time ago, but I don't remember now. I guess it won't matter unless I pull the game out again. It has been a long time since I have, though Decrepit's exciting build has me tempted.


I believe it's:

setessential ID 1 (or setessential ID 0 to unset it)

You can get the ID to show at the top of the screen in console mode by clicking on the actor.

Posted by: mALX Oct 14 2017, 12:08 PM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Oct 14 2017, 05:33 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 13 2017, 06:45 AM) *


Well ... huh? laugh.gif Acadian told me how a long time ago, but I don't remember now. I guess it won't matter unless I pull the game out again. It has been a long time since I have, though Decrepit's exciting build has me tempted.


I believe it's:

setessential ID 1 (or setessential ID 0 to unset it)

You can get the ID to show at the top of the screen in console mode by clicking on the actor.



Wow, thank you so much for that, I really appreciate you sharing that!



Posted by: mirocu Oct 14 2017, 12:42 PM

What I do is the following. Have Oblivion running using OBSE. Then when you meet someone to coronate you simply open up the console, type in "SetRefEssential" click on the actor and then type in the number 1. Make sure to press spacebar in between everything. Then press Enter, exit the console and you're done.

It should look like this: SetRefEssential 0001B67E 1

0001B67E is just an example, and it will show at the top of the screen and not with the stuff you type.


Get back to me if it didn't work smile.gif

Posted by: ghastley Oct 16 2017, 02:07 PM

Thanks mirocu, I couldn't remember the detail. SetEssential works on the BaseID of the character, and clicking on them in the console gets you the RefID. SetRefEssential was added by OBSE to do the GetBaseRef call for you. If I recall, most people asking for the function wanted to use the zero option to be able to kill an originally-essential character.

The other method, is looking them up in the UESP Wiki first. tongue.gif

Posted by: Lopov Dec 25 2017, 06:06 PM

Some new things, some from Paralinque's game (that had to be canceled) and some from Jes' game.

1 - the quest about Aleswell invisibility problem can be started in the Roxey Inn. I overheard a rumor about people in Aleswell being invisible and then a new topic notification popped up. When talking to the innkeeper, she would point you to Aleswell.

2 - Gilgondorin, the proprietor of Silverhome-on-the-water is incorrectly called Gilgondrin by some people in Bravil when they talk about him.

3 - for the first time I heard Gilgondorin telling my PC that his neighbor Dro'shanji has problems with some creatures. It turned out that this line of dialogue was removed by the UOP which reminded me that it'd be wise to use it because I forgot to install it. Then again, looks like I'll be short for some quotes I may have not heard before.

Posted by: Renee Dec 26 2017, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 25 2017, 12:06 PM) *

1 - the quest about Aleswell invisibility problem can be started in the Roxey Inn. I overheard a rumor about people in Aleswell being invisible and then a new topic notification popped up. When talking to the innkeeper, she would point you to Aleswell.

Ha ha yeah, I noticed this the other day as I was messing around in the Construction Set, making that revolving Moss Rock quest. There is dialog Malene says which leads to Aleswell. How neat.

I had a New Thing a few days ago but I forgot to add it to this thread. It had to do with some lady who (in game) was referred to as a guy in dialog. I forget who it was though.


Posted by: mirocu Dec 26 2017, 03:27 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Dec 26 2017, 03:18 PM) *

I had a New Thing a few days ago but I forgot to add it to this thread. It had to do with some lady who (in game) was referred to as a guy in dialog. I forget who it was though.

Lots of them. Jantus Brolus in Bruma for one.

Posted by: mALX Dec 27 2017, 09:14 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Dec 25 2017, 12:06 PM) *

Some new things, some from Paralinque's game (that had to be canceled) and some from Jes' game.

*snip*

3 - for the first time I heard Gilgondorin telling my PC that his neighbor Dro'shanji has problems with some creatures. It turned out that this line of dialogue was removed by the UOP which reminded me that it'd be wise to use it because I forgot to install it. Then again, looks like I'll be short for some quotes I may have not heard before.



Some of those cut dialogues and NPC's from dropped quests that have somehow remained in the files are just fantastic for slipping into mods!




QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 26 2017, 09:27 AM) *

QUOTE(Renee @ Dec 26 2017, 03:18 PM) *

I had a New Thing a few days ago but I forgot to add it to this thread. It had to do with some lady who (in game) was referred to as a guy in dialog. I forget who it was though.

Lots of them. Jantus Brolus in Bruma for one.



And City Swimmer in Bravil.





Posted by: Renee Dec 27 2017, 09:39 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ Dec 27 2017, 03:14 PM) *

Some of those cut dialogues and NPC's from dropped quests that have somehow remained in the files are just fantastic for slipping into mods!

I've noticed this for sure, in Oblivion and Skyrim. There's a mod for Skyrim which adds bulkloads of random dialog for guards and followers, for instance.

Posted by: mALX Dec 28 2017, 12:50 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Dec 27 2017, 03:39 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Dec 27 2017, 03:14 PM) *

Some of those cut dialogues and NPC's from dropped quests that have somehow remained in the files are just fantastic for slipping into mods!

I've noticed this for sure, in Oblivion and Skyrim. There's a mod for Skyrim which adds bulkloads of random dialog for guards and followers, for instance.



Yes, I got that mod just to find out where to nab all that dialogue for my own mods, lol.



Posted by: tegeus-Cromis Dec 31 2017, 07:26 PM

Probability does funny things. I just had Burz gro-Khash in Cheydinhal come up with:

"I'm Burz gro-Khash, and I'm in charge of this St. Jiub's Fair. All I need is clowns, monkeys, and jugglers. No. Wait... just need jugglers...."

Brilliant, love it. But I swear I've never heard him say that before, I've always got:

"Yeah. This is the Cheydinhal Fighter's Guild. Look around. See any fighters? Right. That's the problem. No fighters, no guild."

Yet, according to UESP, those lines are equally probable. So either the game's RNG is skewed or I've thrown quite a number of heads in a row.

Anyway, Happy New Year! in advance to all at chorrol.com. We have a few hours to go here, but I think I may open a bottle of port now anyway - the sun's gone over the yardarm and run away home... bigsmile.gif


Posted by: Renee Dec 31 2017, 08:37 PM

QUOTE(tegeus-Cromis @ Dec 31 2017, 01:26 PM) *

"I'm Burz gro-Khash, and I'm in charge of this St. Jiub's Fair. All I need is clowns, monkeys, and jugglers. No. Wait


Ha ha this is funny!

QUOTE

Anyway, Happy New Year! in advance to all at chorrol.com. We have a few hours to go here, but I think I may open a bottle of port now anyway - the sun's gone over the yardarm and run away home... bigsmile.gif

Awesome happy New Year to you too! santa.gif santaclaus.gif wacko.gif cake.gif Hug_emoticon.gif cmok.gif


Posted by: Renee Jan 13 2018, 02:59 AM

Joan of Arkay just passed a disheveled- looking man in bad clothes. Walked for a bit. And then stopped. Looked behind her. The man was eating.

She walked over to him and sure enough, it was Nigidius the Needy, standing in front of the chapel. .... eating.

And if that's not something I haven't seen before, Nigidius delivered the very PERFECT line at that very moment. "Spare a coin beautiful lady, I gots nothing to eat."

huh.gif blink.gif


Posted by: Lopov Jan 20 2018, 07:35 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Jan 13 2018, 02:59 AM) *
"Spare a coin beautiful lady, I gots nothing to eat."


Maybe he already finished his meal. tongue.gif

Posted by: Renee Mar 25 2018, 02:30 AM

Ha ha ha yeah, Lopov!

Renee Gade III just left Skingrad with her three followers + a horse and walked by a that flock of sheep that usually hangs around the stable area. Well, all the sudden the game informed me that she "has too many followers" and so I was like "huh?" Sure enough, the sheep were all following her.

I remembered something about an apple-in-one's-inventory is what causes this, and sure enough. RG3 had an apple. She ate it, and the sheep suddenly lost interest. laugh.gif I wonder if this is something which happens in the vanilla game though. I'll have to try having Joan walk by some sheep with an apple, see if this still works.


Posted by: mirocu Mar 25 2018, 08:37 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 25 2018, 03:30 AM) *

Renee Gade III just left Skingrad with her three followers + a horse and walked by a that flock of sheep that usually hangs around the stable area. Well, all the sudden the game informed me that she "has too many followers" and so I was like "huh?" Sure enough, the sheep were all following her.

I remembered something about an apple-in-one's-inventory is what causes this, and sure enough. RG3 had an apple. She ate it, and the sheep suddenly lost interest. laugh.gif I wonder if this is something which happens in the vanilla game though. I'll have to try having Joan walk by some sheep with an apple, see if this still works.

I remember reading about this on Bethsoft and I do think it's a vanilla thing. Haven't tested it myself.

Posted by: ghastley Mar 26 2018, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Mar 25 2018, 03:37 AM) *

QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 25 2018, 03:30 AM) *

Renee Gade III just left Skingrad with her three followers + a horse and walked by a that flock of sheep that usually hangs around the stable area. Well, all the sudden the game informed me that she "has too many followers" and so I was like "huh?" Sure enough, the sheep were all following her.

I remembered something about an apple-in-one's-inventory is what causes this, and sure enough. RG3 had an apple. She ate it, and the sheep suddenly lost interest. laugh.gif I wonder if this is something which happens in the vanilla game though. I'll have to try having Joan walk by some sheep with an apple, see if this still works.

I remember reading about this on Bethsoft and I do think it's a vanilla thing. Haven't tested it myself.

I may be wrong, but I think that's what made them follow Uuras the Shepherd. Since they didn't want the sheep to follow him into his house, they needed a toggle to turn the follow on and off. Adding to and removing from inventory is the simplest method.

I don't recall the whole story, but sheep have a few special properties. Vilja's scripts make use of invisible headless dead sheep as location probes to control her dialog. I duplicated some of that when I was trying to make my Angeline/Diablita mod, but I think I overloaded it trying to have the followers talk to each other, as well as the player.

Posted by: Renee Mar 28 2018, 10:33 PM

Invisible, headless dead sheep. Okay.

See I'm at the point now where nothing surprises me anymore. laugh.gif There is some bizarre stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

I am gaming today, and I just discovered something new. Varla stones can recharge MORE than one item at a time. blink.gif I literally did not know this. Maybe it's because a lot of my console characters would simply sell these stones instead of using them to recharge stuff. But yeah, I always assumed you only got one stone per item. but my character just recharged up two.

So that must mean she can just pick up all of her weapons at one time and recharge them all. Which is mighty convenient.

Posted by: ghastley Mar 29 2018, 01:55 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 28 2018, 05:33 PM) *

I am gaming today, and I just discovered something new. Varla stones can recharge MORE than one item at a time. blink.gif I literally did not know this. Maybe it's because a lot of my console characters would simply sell these stones instead of using them to recharge stuff. But yeah, I always assumed you only got one stone per item. but my character just recharged up two.

So that must mean she can just pick up all of her weapons at one time and recharge them all. Which is mighty convenient.

Yes, you can, as long as you have the strength to carry them. So she may have to drop all her armour to do that. It's the sort of manoeuvre you only do at home.

Posted by: mALX Mar 29 2018, 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 28 2018, 05:33 PM) *

Invisible, headless dead sheep. Okay.

See I'm at the point now where nothing surprises me anymore. laugh.gif There is some bizarre stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

I am gaming today, and I just discovered something new. Varla stones can recharge MORE than one item at a time. blink.gif I literally did not know this. Maybe it's because a lot of my console characters would simply sell these stones instead of using them to recharge stuff. But yeah, I always assumed you only got one stone per item. but my character just recharged up two.

So that must mean she can just pick up all of her weapons at one time and recharge them all. Which is mighty convenient.


Yes, I used to put all the stuff I collected in my adventuring into the cabinets in the Skingrad house bedroom; then every now and then when I'd added a bunch of new stuff I'd stand in front of it and "Remove All." I'd use the Varla stone and put them all back in. That way whenever I pulled something out to use it, it was fully charged.

Posted by: Renee Apr 24 2018, 12:00 AM

Awesome, mALX. Have to remember that, for convenience.

New thing for today: the Arena outfit (the one we are supposed to wear for vanilla Arena fights) includes wristbands with spikes sticking out of them! I was gaming maybe a week ago and accidentally put my character in first person, so that all I could see were her forearms. Lo, look at those spikes.

Do I have a pic? Dang, I do not.


Posted by: mirocu Apr 27 2018, 07:02 PM

I put Lothran's in a cupboard in the Arena. Didn't know it respawned.. Oops... biggrin.gif

Posted by: mirocu Apr 30 2018, 06:55 PM

I have used the code fw 38eed 1 many, many times over the years in Bruma. Whenever going through the town gates the weather always resets which is why I now know that code by heart.


Well, tonight while gaming I found out that I could just use the up arrow and get the last code I entered to appear again, meaning I actually don't have to type the whole thing in manually all the time.


https://media.tenor.co/images/0f78af841f453545a036b6cceb3620cc/raw

Posted by: ghastley Apr 30 2018, 08:29 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Apr 23 2018, 07:00 PM) *

Awesome, mALX. Have to remember that, for convenience.

New thing for today: the Arena outfit (the one we are supposed to wear for vanilla Arena fights) includes wristbands with spikes sticking out of them! I was gaming maybe a week ago and accidentally put my character in first person, so that all I could see were her forearms. Lo, look at those spikes.

Do I have a pic? Dang, I do not.

http://ghastley.org/Oblivion/images/DiablitaOB.jpg likes that idea!

Posted by: Renee May 1 2018, 03:59 PM

glargg taught me this, years ago in the old forums. Yes, if you press the ^ or v directional buttons, we can scroll through all the console codes we've used before during our current session, and then press ENTER or Return to make that code happen. The console is some sort of ancient computer program from the '70s or something. I noticed a few weeks ago when using the Command Prompt program on my gaming computer that is has a similar system. Just press the up or down directional buttons, to scroll through any previous codes.

In my game, I'm occasionally also typing fw 38eee to make weather "normal" again. I've got a bug which causes weather sounds to start making a "loop", so that these sounds aren't random anymore. Hard to explain, but it gets annoying quick! So I'll type fw 38eee or fw 38ef2 (for rain, I think), and then I might need to use directional buttons to call these codes up again.

Some other popular codes I call up frequently: tcai, to keep RG3's followers, or just random NPCs, from fighting to the death for stupid friendly-fire mistakes. *facepalm* ... tfc and tm, in that order, mostly to get that perfect screenshot. Sometimes I will also use tai if I want to get some NPC or creature to hold a pose (again for screenshots).

I think in a way, this is why I enjoy going back to Xbox sometimes. No console, no mods, but also there's no constant micro-managing of console codes and niggling mod glitches. I'm literally just playing the game again. biggrin.gif




Posted by: mirocu Oct 25 2018, 05:32 PM

Eleven and a half year and I just heard a line from a Forester that I have never heard before! ohmy.gif


Lothran had his weapon raised and upon engaging in conversation, the Forester said; "Do you have a death wish, citizen? Lower your weapon, NOW!"


I swear, first time I heard it!

Posted by: Renee Oct 25 2018, 08:33 PM

Wow, no way! Probably you'd have to have Lothran's disposition lowered enough before this quip shows up. Lothran.... such a bad boy. ph34r.gif

Posted by: mirocu Oct 25 2018, 08:45 PM

Living the thug life bigsmile.gif


If I have heard it before, and that's a big IF, then it must have been once several years ago when I didn't have all dialogue registered in my bwain yet tongue.gif

Posted by: mALX Oct 25 2018, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 30 2018, 01:55 PM) *

I have used the code fw 38eed 1 many, many times over the years in Bruma. Whenever going through the town gates the weather always resets which is why I now know that code by heart.


Well, tonight while gaming I found out that I could just use the up arrow and get the last code I entered to appear again, meaning I actually don't have to type the whole thing in manually all the time.


https://media.tenor.co/images/0f78af841f453545a036b6cceb3620cc/raw



Lol. I learned that in Fallout 3 = adding in stuff through the Dev's console = cheating, lol.




QUOTE(mirocu @ Oct 25 2018, 12:32 PM) *

Eleven and a half year and I just heard a line from a Forester that I have never heard before! ohmy.gif


Lothran had his weapon raised and upon engaging in conversation, the Forester said; "Do you have a death wish, citizen? Lower your weapon, NOW!"


I swear, first time I heard it!



That is Awesome! I haven't heard that one yet either!


Posted by: Acadian Oct 26 2018, 01:09 AM

It's been awhile but I don't think it is a disposition thing. If I recall, if you walk up to a guard with a weapon drawn and talk to him, that is the likely response.

Posted by: Lopov Oct 26 2018, 10:44 AM

QUOTE(Acadian @ Oct 26 2018, 02:09 AM) *

It's been awhile but I don't think it is a disposition thing. If I recall, if you walk up to a guard with a weapon drawn and talk to him, that is the likely response.


True. Some NPCs also address you differently if you talk to them with weapons drawn and their disposition is automatically lowered.

Posted by: mirocu Oct 26 2018, 02:51 PM

QUOTE(Lopov @ Oct 26 2018, 11:44 AM) *

Some NPCs also address you differently if you talk to them with weapons drawn and their disposition is automatically lowered.

That's always the case and Lothran has done this many times to further boost someone's disposition. Still, never gotten that greeting before despite having done this to many guards.


Reason #73 why I still play this game biggrin.gif

Posted by: mALX Oct 26 2018, 03:17 PM


When playing the disposition game with that Orc in the Skingrad Castle to get your Skingrad House = if it tops out and is below 70 (the place you need it to be to get the house) = you can draw your weapon out and try again. His disposition will drop; so you can play the game again, and if you win it may get up to 70.

(I usually save before starting just in case; and stack the deck by wearing a bunch of personality enchanted clothes to meet him, lol).










Posted by: ghastley Oct 26 2018, 05:32 PM

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 26 2018, 10:17 AM) *

When playing the disposition game with that Orc in the Skingrad Castle to get your Skingrad House = if it tops out and is below 70 (the place you need it to be to get the house) = you can draw your weapon out and try again. His disposition will drop; so you can play the game again, and if you win it may get up to 70.

(I usually save before starting just in case; and stack the deck by wearing a bunch of personality enchanted clothes to meet him, lol).

Better yet, do the game with the weapon drawn, and then sheath it after to get the 10 points back. You only have to get him up to 60 that way.

On the other hand, the first spell I make is always "Bamboozle" - 100 points of charm for one or two seconds. You can pass any disposition checks once you have that available, as the clock stops when you enter dialog.

Posted by: mALX Oct 26 2018, 09:48 PM

QUOTE(ghastley @ Oct 26 2018, 12:32 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Oct 26 2018, 10:17 AM) *

When playing the disposition game with that Orc in the Skingrad Castle to get your Skingrad House = if it tops out and is below 70 (the place you need it to be to get the house) = you can draw your weapon out and try again. His disposition will drop; so you can play the game again, and if you win it may get up to 70.

(I usually save before starting just in case; and stack the deck by wearing a bunch of personality enchanted clothes to meet him, lol).

Better yet, do the game with the weapon drawn, and then sheath it after to get the 10 points back. You only have to get him up to 60 that way.

On the other hand, the first spell I make is always "Bamboozle" - 100 points of charm for one or two seconds. You can pass any disposition checks once you have that available, as the clock stops when you enter dialog.


Ooh, I like the sound of that spell!




Posted by: mirocu Nov 27 2018, 09:23 PM

Now I definitely know for sure that the game de-coronates characters randomly. Yesterday I checked the inhabitants of the Mages Guild in Bruma and they were all crowned. Today however some of them were regular, including Volanaro, someone I've made SURE was immortal years ago.

Don't know why this is but now I know why I still encounter uncrowned characters I knew I had taken care of. It's because I had.

Posted by: ghastley Nov 27 2018, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Nov 27 2018, 03:23 PM) *

Now I definitely know for sure that the game de-coronates characters randomly. Yesterday I checked the inhabitants of the Mages Guild in Bruma and they were all crowned. Today however some of them were regular, including Volanaro, someone I've made SURE was immortal years ago.

Don't know why this is but now I know why I still encounter uncrowned characters I knew I had taken care of. It's because I had.

Wouldn't that happen when the cell they're in re-sets? So next day seems too quick, too.

Posted by: Renee Nov 27 2018, 10:21 PM

What do you mean by "crowned?"

Posted by: mALX Nov 28 2018, 03:11 AM

QUOTE(Renee @ Nov 27 2018, 04:21 PM) *

What do you mean by "crowned?"


"Essential;" or can't be killed. (Immortal?)




Posted by: mirocu Nov 28 2018, 06:18 PM

QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 27 2018, 10:11 PM) *

Wouldn't that happen when the cell they're in re-sets? So next day seems too quick, too.

I'm beginning to suspect that's the deal here. When Lothran is away from Bruma over summer, they reset.

QUOTE(Renee @ Nov 27 2018, 10:21 PM) *

What do you mean by "crowned?"

Made essential using SetRefEssential 1


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Posted by: ghastley Nov 28 2018, 07:18 PM

And for those that still don't get it, the crown replaces the talk icon for the NPC, which is how you can tell the NPC is essential. So using that commands adds the crown to the NPC.

Posted by: mirocu Nov 28 2018, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 28 2018, 07:18 PM) *

And for those that still don't get it, the crown replaces the talk icon for the NPC, which is how you can tell the NPC is essential. So using that commands adds the crown to the NPC.

I'm not good explaining things but I'm glad there are those who can biggrin.gif

Anyway, this is why I talk about coronating characters smile.gif

Posted by: Renee Nov 28 2018, 09:33 PM

QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 28 2018, 01:18 PM) *

And for those that still don't get it, the crown replaces the talk icon for the NPC, which is how you can tell the NPC is essential. So using that commands adds the crown to the NPC.

That explains it because I never have the crosshair on, meaning I don't see essential people (I think that's how it works).

Posted by: mirocu Jan 7 2019, 09:29 PM

New thing again! Two actually! ohmy.gif


This Saturday at Olav's, Ongar got cut down about 50 times as always. But during one of these times something peculiar happened. While laying there, Skjorta and Brotch Calus stood over him and kept putting their hand back and forth for as long as he was down. When Ongar came to and got up, he yelled at them: "Filthy pickpocket! What did you take!?"

So I assume they were openly trying to take his stuff, but why would they do that?

Posted by: ghastley Jan 7 2019, 10:15 PM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 7 2019, 03:29 PM) *

New thing again! Two actually! ohmy.gif


This Saturday at Olav's, Ongar got cut down about 50 times as always. But during one of these times something peculiar happened. While laying there, Skjorta and Brotch Calus stood over him and kept putting their hand back and forth for as long as he was down. When Ongar came to and got up, he yelled at them: "Filthy pickpocket! What did you take!?"

So I assume they were openly trying to take his stuff, but why would they do that?

I'm never sure if the game handles essential as "dead but revives" or "down but not dead". The former would make someone eligible for looting? Probably not, as the player could do so.

Posted by: mALX Jan 8 2019, 05:11 AM

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 7 2019, 03:29 PM) *

New thing again! Two actually! ohmy.gif


This Saturday at Olav's, Ongar got cut down about 50 times as always. But during one of these times something peculiar happened. While laying there, Skjorta and Brotch Calus stood over him and kept putting their hand back and forth for as long as he was down. When Ongar came to and got up, he yelled at them: "Filthy pickpocket! What did you take!?"

So I assume they were openly trying to take his stuff, but why would they do that?


Because they are thieves?

rollinglaugh.gif



Posted by: Renee Jan 9 2019, 06:13 PM

What do you mean by "cut down?" If you're saying he got beat up, the 'as always' part does not compute for me. I've never seen that happen.

Posted by: mirocu Jan 9 2019, 06:23 PM

QUOTE(Renee @ Jan 9 2019, 06:13 PM) *

What do you mean by "cut down?" If you're saying he got beat up, the 'as always' part does not compute for me. I've never seen that happen.

Ongar often steals food at the Tap and Tack which prompts everyone to call for guards who show up and draw their swords and cut him down for theft. Sometimes that happens almost ten times per evening though that many times is rare.

Posted by: Renee Jan 28 2019, 02:36 PM

Oh okay. I wonder if I've ever noticed this, but am simply not remembering. Possible. Then again, Lothran spends way more time in Bruma's Tap 'n' Tack than any of mine. My people usually just have a meal or drink there, and move on.

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