What happened in Cyrodiil? Options

[Lady Saga]

What do you think happened to Cyrodiil 200 years into the 4th era? Is there an official explanation as to what happens? Does the Arcane university still exist? Is Cyrodiil in as much a decline as portions of Skyrim are?

I'm just wondering about all this, as I just tried to do some research and can't find anything official. I only looked at UESP, though.

[SubRosa]

I have to admit, that while it's fine for Bethesda to go "This is our sandbox and we'll do what we want with it"...What they did to everyone that played the earlier games is just childish...



I did get really angry with it all about a week after the game came out...I was really depressed about it all...I may have been rude to people... ...And I still feel really stupid about it...Because it is - when all is said and done - a game...However, it's also a world that we all devoted many hours and emotions to...So to see it all...As they have made it...Really depressed me...

Espescially as (from a personal point of view) the KOTN were just ignored and the only book in Skryim about them says nothing about what supposedly happened to them...

I said something on my thread about ignoring Skyrim altogether in my story (I think)...And both the legendary Haute Ecole Rider, on the thread, and Subrosa, somewhere else said, "Go for it. It's your story, do what you want."

Lore...Pfft... ...Break it...*Shrug*...

As I touch on in my story...There's many universes out there...This is how all of the stories have the same events played out by all our characters...Containing the same people like Uriel Septim and Dagon and all that...Therefore, the lore is only as strong as you want it to be...And personally, the Lore is as confusing and contradictory as are real religion's... ...

Bethesda's lore is more contradictory and confusing then any real religion or history, because they make no attempt to keep it consistent at all. In fact, they change it not only between games, but in the same game. I do not think that the people they hire to write the stuff have any idea of what was written before, or what others are writing at the same time. There is plainly no editor to keep it all straight and make sure it makes sense either. It is like hiring six different contractors to build one house. It is no wonder it is a disaster. Since they have no respect for their lore, there is no reason we should either.

I was book-flinging furious when I read the first Greg Keyes novel. (Thankfully it was a paperback. No one was harmed. ) Eventually I got used to it being a part of what happened. Still not happy about it, though. My ideas for Morrowind and Black Marsh will just take place in the thousands of years before those events. Actually, I’m getting ticked off just thinking about it again. Grrr!

I’ll pass along what I’ve been told: Lore serves your story, not the other way around. McB’s Knights stories give me a lot of inspiration to go my own way when it suits me, as well as his stories being so very enjoyable to read.

I think Bethesda destroyed Morrowind in a fit of pique, because of the snobbish and just plain obnoxious attitude so many Morrowind players have. Just ignore that crap, and tell the story you want to. If it does not fit their lore so what? Most of what they put out does not fit their lore either.

I’ll pass along what I’ve been told: Lore serves your story, not the other way around.

I agree. I'm not going to change lore around to fit any of my stories, though, if that's what you're suggesting.

Go ahead and change it. Bethesda's lore is, how can I put this nicely, not very well done. There is no thought put into any of it, and no effort made on their own part to follow it. If you have a good story, go ahead and use it. Ignore, bend, or create whatever lore you want to back it up. That is what Bethesda does after all.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Apr 5 2012, 06:54 PM

[Lady Saga]

Go ahead and change it. Bethesda's lore is, how can I put this nicely, not very well done. ... Ignore, bend, or create whatever lore you want to back it up.

Well so far, I haven't seen any need to do this, so we're all good.

I just knew Cyrodiil itself isn't supposed to be as glorious as it was in the 3rd/early 4th era, I just wasn't sure how much of a change it's been thru by the time we get 200 years into the 4th era. Has the IC been destroyed? no. Has its traditional leadership of Councils and The Emperor been sacked? Yes. Is it still a functional city? Yes. Can I roleplay it that my characters therefore come from Cyrodiil in search of a better life? Better looting? A job? Absolutely.

[McBadgere]

Well so far, I haven't seen any need to do this, so we're all good.

Well, my problem was that I had this bunch of Knights running around that had just saved Cyrodiil from Mehrunes Dagon...And basically in 200 years they didn't exist...And so if they did exist, how would any of the invasion stuff happen? Because my Knights wouldn't let it happen...And as one of the in-game Knights is Altmer, he could conceivably still be alive 200 years later...Oh, and Brellin the Bosmer...Also could be alive...

You see what I'm getting at?...

From my point of view...Not only did the Greg Keyes books make for a horrible idea...The whole Thalmor thing seemed, as Jack Cloudy pointed out to me, completely arbitary...An "oh look a huge army to wipe out what I accomplished with my game"...Which my Knights, wouldn't let happen...

My idea for the KOTN was basically like the Templars...Without the absolute devotion to the point of misogeny, celebacy and pauper-ness...And the Templars became huge...The biggest thing...And yes, 200 years later they were destroyed...But I said like...

I had to completely change the history as written by Bethesda to make myself happy and to wrestle the story away from what is, to what I want...And this is entirely the ONLY reason I can now play Skyrim...

Still agreeing with Subrosa...

I know there are those here who will vehemenently side with your good self though LS... ...

Not that there's sides...It's just a chat...Just...Ach... ...

[Lady Saga]

Well, my problem was that I had this bunch of Knights running around that had just saved Cyrodiil from Mehrunes Dagon...And basically in 200 years they didn't exist...And so if they did exist, how would any of the invasion stuff happen? Because my Knights wouldn't let it happen...And as one of the in-game Knights is Altmer, he could conceivably still be alive 200 years later...Oh, and Brellin the Bosmer...Also could be alive...

You see what I'm getting at?...

Absolutely I do. I haven't had a character who's had any attachment to the KotN of Cyrodiil's past, yet, but it's possible it could happen at some point....If it does happen, I'll be able to work this glaring hole into my roleplay ("where are all the tales of this group of knights? Certainly not in the books" she pondered), but it's still a glaring plot hole.
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This post has been edited by Lady Saga: Apr 5 2012, 09:52 PM