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SubRosa
post Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
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It is out today. Has anyone bought it and given it a try yet? It is on my To Do list of games. But I was hoping to hear a bit more about it. The Reviews are solid. It sounds like a modern successor to the classic Baldur's Gate-style rpg games, with a new fantasy setting, an isometric view, party of characters, lot of races and classes to choose from.


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post Aug 29 2015, 03:40 AM
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Okay, since you forced me, I spent the evening rolling several different toons to experiment at pwning the game with.

The first I tried was an Elf Wizard. Wizards can only cast the spells that are in the grimoire they have active. I am not sure how many spells you can put in a single grimoire, but I know you can have more than one of them. You can cast any spell you want from the active grimoire however, up to a certain number per rest period (read per day in the old D&D days). Once you reach your limit, your master of arcane magic spends the rest of the time bashing things with a club or hurling pointy sticks, as befits one of great mystical power. My Wizard had 2 spells per rest period, which meant she spent most of the time not casting spells.

So it is basically just like the old days of D&D. Well almost. Every class receives a special ability that they can perform once or twice per combat. This refreshes between fights, so you can use it over and over again without resting. The Wizard gets one called Arcane Assault, which is a basic magic damage ranged attack. So you will always have that to do twice every time you fight, even when you are out of spells.



Magic works a lot better than I initially realized. I believe all Wizards start with an implement (a wand, rod, or scepter). These are not melee weapons as I had initially thought, but ranged weapons. They are like the staffs in Oblivion or Skyrim. A Wizard's spell casting is still limited by per rest, but they can use their implement indefinitely for a ranged magical attack. The damage is comparable to the starting one-handed swords, daggers, axes, etc...

If you take the Blast Talent (which I believe you should), attacks with your implement get turned into a small area-effect blast with a 5 point DR bypass (armor-piercing). Add the Penetrating Blast Talent, and that turns into a 10 point DR bypass. So you have a continual source of magical attacks with your implement that are nothing to sneeze at.

Finally, IE Mod allows you to change how many spells you can cast per level, how many your grimoire can hold per level, and whether your spells are castable per rest or per encounter (also selectable by level). I highly recommend IE Mod, not just for spellcasting.


Concerning resting, you can only do it in an inn, or if you are in the wilds if you have camping supplies. So far I have not come across either one, so I have not been able to try resting out.

I also tried a Druid. Their special ability is to Shapeshift once per combat. You can choose from half a dozen different animals, each with its own special buff. The bear has a lot of extra endurance and a frightening howl. The wolf can knock enemies down, and so on. The Druid also gets spells, but unlike the Wizard you don't have to fool around with any of that grimoire business. You have access to all the spells of your class, without having to memorize them. But there is still a limit to how many times you can cast them per rest period. For my starting Druid it was twice. She spent most of the time shapeshifting into a bear and beating on things, which I admit I found very satisfying. Outside of that she had a couple of times she could strategically use a spell.

Finally I tried out a Paladin. The Paladin gets to pick one out of two possible special abilities. Either a Lay on Hands that heals people, or a Flaming Weapon that gives you extra damage for one attack. I went with the latter. Otherwise the Paladin played like a Fighter. I think they have some passive abilities that improve their defenses.

The first NPC that joins you is a Fighter, so you get to play her as well. Fighters get a Knockdown special ability that they can use twice per combat. It is nice, as putting someone on their back means they cannot attack you until they get back up. It is handy for crowd control, because you can knock one baddie down, then run to the annoying archer shooting you from a distance and clobber him before the first one gets back up.

Here are some observations on the nuts and bolts of how things work:

Might is how much damage you do. It is sort of like Strength, but is all damage, melee weapons, ranged, or magic. So Might is good.

Dexterity improves your Action Speed, which I think means how quickly you can attack. Your armor seems to also slow down your attack speed, based on how heavy it is. So a low Dex, heavy armor character does not get a lot of chances to do anything.

Perception is your chance to hit (not Dexterity!), and to Interrupt your target's actions (see below).

Constitution does exactly what you think.

Intellect affects area of effect and durations. Not just for spells, but special abilities as well. I am not sure how many non-spellcaster abilities there are with aoe or durations though. I didn't notice any to start with.

Resolve seems to be a lot like the traditional charisma stat, in that it is used for threatening or persuading people. But it also adds to your Deflection some, and a lot to your Concentration. If you are hit while performing an action, be it casting a spell or swinging a sword, you can be interrupted. Concentration is your defense against that.

PoE is a little weird in that you have two health stats. One is Endurance, which completely refreshes between every combat. If your Endurance goes down to zero you get knocked out, but not killed. After the fight is over you get back up and get all your Endurance back. Health is the other stat, which only recovers from resting. You have a lot more Health than Endurance. One of my characters had like 55 Endurance and 170 Health.

Attacks damage both Endurance and Health. So you are going to get knocked out before you get killed. Unless you have been fighting a lot without resting, and your Health has slowly eroded. I saw my characters taking Endurance damage a lot more than health. But of course it completely refreshes after every fight.

So stats to pay attention to are Might for damage, Perception to hit, and of course Constitution to stay alive. Armor slows down your attacks, so tanking up on the heaviest armor is not necessarily the best idea.

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SubRosa   Pillars Of Eternity   Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
ArtemisNoir2   Somebody I know on a small, private forum (so I wo...   Mar 26 2015, 08:00 PM
SubRosa   One thing I am really interested in hearing is how...   Mar 26 2015, 09:57 PM
Acadian   You can really see the BG influence in the shots a...   Mar 26 2015, 10:06 PM
mirocu   But I´m not done with Oblivion and Fallout 3 yet.....   Mar 26 2015, 10:11 PM
stargelman   Don't have time to post, really. As one of 770...   Apr 16 2015, 05:28 PM
SubRosa   Since it is on sale at Gog, I decided to finally b...   Aug 28 2015, 12:37 AM
SubRosa   I also forgot to add that it starts out exactly th...   Aug 28 2015, 11:18 PM
Acadian   Thanks for sharing your impressions, SubRosa. I k...   Aug 28 2015, 11:45 PM
Acadian   Wow, thanks for such wonderfully detailed observat...   Aug 29 2015, 03:55 AM
SubRosa   Forgot to include A pic from my Druid's game. ...   Aug 29 2015, 04:16 AM
Acadian   The screenie looks great. As you say, quite famil...   Aug 29 2015, 02:21 PM
SubRosa   I did some digging, and found a list of helpful co...   Aug 29 2015, 05:45 PM
SubRosa   Ok, here are some basic console commands that work...   Aug 29 2015, 10:10 PM
Acadian   I can see that if I ever pick up PoE, I'll be ...   Aug 29 2015, 10:26 PM
SubRosa   If you ever pick it up? Does that mean you are act...   Aug 30 2015, 02:00 AM
SubRosa   I bring glad tidings from the world of Pillars. I ...   Aug 30 2015, 09:29 PM
haute ecole rider   Thanks to your reviews, I downloaded Pillars for t...   Aug 30 2015, 11:52 PM
SubRosa   Yay, another forumite has been Pillared! :lol...   Aug 31 2015, 12:49 AM
SubRosa   I went and bought The White March expansion pass. ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:35 AM
Acadian   :lol: Boo has been replaced by a piglet!   Aug 31 2015, 03:41 AM
haute ecole rider   Because my new Skyrim toon is in the midst of the ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:45 AM
SubRosa   Acaidan: I was thinking of Boo as well! Hamste...   Aug 31 2015, 04:23 PM
haute ecole rider   When SeJin leveled up, I didn't notice if Ursu...   Aug 31 2015, 05:20 PM
SubRosa   I like the isometric view. It works better for str...   Aug 31 2015, 07:38 PM
haute ecole rider   I like the isometric view. It works better for st...   Sep 1 2015, 03:58 AM
SubRosa   [quote name='SubRosa' post='244506' date='Aug 31 ...   Sep 1 2015, 07:15 PM
Acadian   Drawn in by all this talk of ranged combat, animal...   Aug 31 2015, 10:11 PM
SubRosa   I think you should give buying Pillars some seriou...   Aug 31 2015, 10:14 PM
Acadian   That's great news. As you can imagine, I gave...   Aug 31 2015, 11:16 PM
SubRosa   The White March dlc adds in some new Talents you c...   Sep 1 2015, 12:17 AM
Acadian   Oh that sounds fabulous - a wood elven bow ranger ...   Sep 1 2015, 12:23 AM
SubRosa   There are some things I have figured out about Def...   Sep 1 2015, 12:30 AM
haute ecole rider   I also like how the choices you make in the dialog...   Sep 1 2015, 09:32 PM
SubRosa   Yay for staying home and playing computer games in...   Sep 2 2015, 12:55 AM
Acadian   I can see this thread will be a great resource for...   Sep 2 2015, 01:08 AM
Lopov   After reading through this thread and some reviews...   Sep 2 2015, 10:19 AM
haute ecole rider   So in the TES games, you cheat by opening the cons...   Sep 2 2015, 05:07 PM
SubRosa   The exact same way. Except that once the console i...   Sep 2 2015, 05:15 PM
Lopov   I started PoE today -> my character is a human ...   Sep 2 2015, 08:59 PM
SubRosa   Another Pillar of the community! ;) Mowrin ...   Sep 2 2015, 09:58 PM
SubRosa   Skadi and Fenrir Fighting [s]Kobolds Xaurip [url...   Sep 3 2015, 12:47 AM
Lopov   How do you manage to get "so close" to y...   Sep 3 2015, 07:11 AM
Acadian   Great shots! I was looking on those sites you...   Sep 3 2015, 12:38 PM
Lopov   This means that we can expect to see Buffy joining...   Sep 3 2015, 01:57 PM
SubRosa   Lopov: I used the SetZoomRange {minimum zoom} {max...   Sep 3 2015, 02:08 PM
Lopov   I took on that Bear alone with Persephone, and it ...   Sep 3 2015, 02:24 PM
SubRosa   I play on Average, so maybe that is why the Bear w...   Sep 3 2015, 03:28 PM
SubRosa   One thing that has not been mentioned for the bene...   Sep 3 2015, 06:38 PM
Lopov   I just alt-tabbed out of the game and have a quest...   Sep 3 2015, 07:01 PM
SubRosa   I just started using IE mod, so it could be that a...   Sep 3 2015, 08:14 PM
Lopov   Okay, maybe I'll use this mod in the future as...   Sep 3 2015, 09:06 PM
Renee   Aww, so cute to see you folks rolling nu t00ns to ...   Sep 4 2015, 02:21 AM
SubRosa   Aww, so cute to see you folks rolling nu t00ns to...   Sep 4 2015, 03:25 AM
SubRosa   Some notes about Wizards. I already mentioned be...   Sep 5 2015, 02:20 AM
Lopov   I rolled a new toon, a monk again, but this time I...   Sep 5 2015, 07:04 PM
SubRosa   A Yeti monk! I know that pic, it's Aarin G...   Sep 5 2015, 07:17 PM
Lopov   The name Yetizad is from a comic book. Yetizad was...   Sep 5 2015, 09:34 PM
SubRosa   Wow, I had never heard of that Yetizad. But I stop...   Sep 5 2015, 09:51 PM
Lopov   Yetizad was featured in an Italian comic series ca...   Sep 5 2015, 10:15 PM
SubRosa   I like that bird logo Zagor has on his chest. It l...   Sep 5 2015, 10:24 PM
SubRosa   Here is a map of the game world. It shows where th...   Sep 6 2015, 03:24 AM
Acadian   Very nice, SubRosa! It's great to see the...   Sep 6 2015, 04:05 AM
SubRosa   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 7 2015, 03:55 AM
haute ecole rider   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 15 2015, 12:28 AM
Lopov   SubRosa, Persephone's race is Godlike, right? ...   Sep 7 2015, 12:51 PM
SubRosa   Persephone is a human. When I first tried her out ...   Sep 7 2015, 04:27 PM
Lopov   Yeah, it's quite confusing, though the good th...   Sep 7 2015, 07:14 PM
SubRosa   Serana cleans up with a Ghost Blades spell Team D...   Sep 7 2015, 08:06 PM
Acadian   Spectacular shots, SubRosa. That sword spell look...   Sep 7 2015, 09:57 PM
SubRosa   That Ghost Blades spell is awesome. It is a 1st Le...   Sep 8 2015, 12:09 AM
haute ecole rider   Clancy Brown sounds perfect as Darryl! :blink:...   Sep 8 2015, 12:12 AM
SubRosa   It is the Male - Sinister voice. Turns out is done...   Sep 8 2015, 12:42 AM
Lopov   Nice shots - Darryl is humongous! Team Deadwa...   Sep 8 2015, 06:42 PM
SubRosa   I used the console to buff up Team Deadwalker...   Sep 8 2015, 08:11 PM
Lopov   I couldn't get cheats to work in Yeti's ga...   Sep 9 2015, 10:25 PM
SubRosa   Good luck to Aryan! The amount of variables ...   Sep 9 2015, 11:21 PM
Lopov   Even more, if you managedto get through the fight ...   Sep 10 2015, 06:15 AM
SubRosa   The Deadwalkers have been plumbing the Endless Dep...   Sep 10 2015, 11:59 PM
SubRosa   Team Deadwalker ventured beyond the Eastern Barbic...   Sep 11 2015, 04:18 AM
Lopov   Are Endless Paths of Od Nua completely optional or...   Sep 11 2015, 06:23 AM
SubRosa   You only have to do the dungeon of Caed Nua, and a...   Sep 11 2015, 09:45 AM
haute ecole rider   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Forest...   Sep 11 2015, 06:17 PM
Lopov   SubRosa, do you by chance know a console command t...   Sep 11 2015, 07:43 PM
SubRosa   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Fores...   Sep 11 2015, 08:02 PM
Lopov   I found the correct code, it's quest_item_sack...   Sep 11 2015, 08:54 PM
SubRosa   I am not having any luck with it now. I even tried...   Sep 11 2015, 09:06 PM
Lopov   Thanks anyway. I'll wait for the save editor t...   Sep 11 2015, 11:02 PM
SubRosa   Aryan is taking on the world with just one compani...   Sep 12 2015, 02:13 AM
Lopov   I buffed both of them with the console, so they ca...   Sep 12 2015, 07:57 AM
Acadian   SubRosa, love the little black cat familiar! ...   Sep 12 2015, 03:25 PM
SubRosa   I buffed both of them with the console, so they c...   Sep 12 2015, 07:13 PM
Colonel Mustard   Eyyyy! *Finger guns into thread* I've ju...   Sep 13 2015, 09:56 AM
SubRosa   It is real time combat. But you can pause the game...   Sep 13 2015, 04:54 PM
SubRosa   If you could find where the game keeps the compani...   Sep 15 2015, 12:33 AM
haute ecole rider   YES!! Found it, thanks! *scurries off...   Sep 15 2015, 12:40 AM
SubRosa   It's Elrond! And is that James Bond beside...   Sep 15 2015, 01:07 AM
haute ecole rider   Yup! And Yup - my favorite JB. SeJin (my PC) ...   Sep 15 2015, 02:26 AM
Lopov   Now if someone says that they aren't similar.....   Sep 16 2015, 10:00 PM
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